Anti-Synchro? [Tuner's Scheme]

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I said that something which warranted a counter should just be banned. Stop acting like Konami making a counter means it deserves one…

 

warrior elimination destroys all face-up warrior-type monsters. does that mean warriors should be banned?

Warrior Elimination should be banned.

 

ally of justice destroys ever monster except DARK monsters. does that mean everything except DARK monsters should be banned?

Castastor should be banned.

 

anti-fusion device destroys 1 fusion monster. does that mean fusions should be banned?

This one is pretty horrible. IDK if this one should be banned since it might be used to the user's advantage without typekilling, somehow.

 

And Synchros do need revaluation, because at least something as OP as JD requires deck focus to get it out.

[Jazin Kay]

"Use this while you can"?

 

Do not imply this card will be banned or something.

 

You're missing the fact that this is banworthy. Sure' date=' Konami probably won't touch this, but that's only because they follow your logic.

[/quote']

 

Isn't banworthy.

 

They think like me because they think correctly.

 

Only whiners like you who are afraid of good cards are gonna throw crap at this severely situational card, that pays off by being great when used right. Is it tier 1? No. Is it a solid answer for decks that aren't tier 1? Yes. Is it gonna be sided EVERYWHERE and devalue the game? No. Is it gonna piss off the top-table payers because their precious Brionacs and Armor Masters might get pwned by a $5 butt super pulled by a 12-year-old? No one cares.

 

Lern 2 beter at YGOz.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Non-bannable card is awful.

[Jazin Kay]

Non-bannable card is awful.

 

Agreed, and sorta agreed.

 

I can't think of any good deck that would main it.

[werewolfjedi]

Non-bannable card is awful.

 

Agreed' date=' and sorta agreed.

 

I can't think of any good deck that would main it.

[/quote']

 

just wait, they make some stupid synchro called the piano maker that summons itself to your opponent's side of the field after it dies and then something something something.

 

I mean we are talking about konami here, they make random stuff in this game.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

"Use this while you can"?

 

Do not imply this card will be banned or something.

 

You're missing the fact that this is banworthy. Sure' date=' Konami probably won't touch this, but that's only because they follow your logic.

[/quote']

 

Isn't banworthy.

 

They think like me because they think correctly.

 

Only whiners like you who are afraid of good cards are gonna throw crap at this severely situational card, that pays off by being great when used right. Is it tier 1? No. Is it a solid answer for decks that aren't tier 1? Yes. Is it gonna be sided EVERYWHERE and devalue the game? No. Is it gonna piss off the top-table payers because their precious Brionacs and Armor Masters might get pwned by a $5 butt super pulled by a 12-year-old? No one cares.

 

Lern 2 beter at YGOz.

I'm sure you want CED around too. IF YOU DONT LIKE A CARD FOR BEING GOOD THEN QUIT YUGIOH.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Non-bannable card is awful.

 

Bannable and banworthy aren't synonymous. Oh, and this's incredibly banworthy. Synchro Summoning doesn't warrant an instant-Change of Heart from an opponent any more than anything else warrants an instant Change of Heart from an opponent which isn't banworthy.

[Jazin Kay]

"Use this while you can"?

 

Do not imply this card will be banned or something.

 

You're missing the fact that this is banworthy. Sure' date=' Konami probably won't touch this, but that's only because they follow your logic.

[/quote']

 

Isn't banworthy.

 

They think like me because they think correctly.

 

Only whiners like you who are afraid of good cards are gonna throw crap at this severely situational card, that pays off by being great when used right. Is it tier 1? No. Is it a solid answer for decks that aren't tier 1? Yes. Is it gonna be sided EVERYWHERE and devalue the game? No. Is it gonna piss off the top-table payers because their precious Brionacs and Armor Masters might get pwned by a $5 butt super pulled by a 12-year-old? No one cares.

 

Lern 2 beter at YGOz.

I'm sure you want CED around too. IF YOU DONT LIKE A CARD FOR BEING GOOD THEN QUIT YUGIOH.

 

Funny, I was gonna say the same thing to you, but I retracted my childish stab and typed that paragraph you see up there because I have testicles.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

"Use this while you can"?

 

Do not imply this card will be banned or something.

 

You're missing the fact that this is banworthy. Sure' date=' Konami probably won't touch this, but that's only because they follow your logic.

[/quote']

 

Isn't banworthy.

 

They think like me because they think correctly.

 

Only whiners like you who are afraid of good cards are gonna throw crap at this severely situational card, that pays off by being great when used right. Is it tier 1? No. Is it a solid answer for decks that aren't tier 1? Yes. Is it gonna be sided EVERYWHERE and devalue the game? No. Is it gonna piss off the top-table payers because their precious Brionacs and Armor Masters might get pwned by a $5 butt super pulled by a 12-year-old? No one cares.

 

Lern 2 beter at YGOz.

I'm sure you want CED around too. IF YOU DONT LIKE A CARD FOR BEING GOOD THEN QUIT YUGIOH.

 

Funny, I was gonna say the same thing to you, but I retracted my childish stab and typed that paragraph you see up there because I have testicles.

 

Hmmmm, you may be too dumb to realize what cards are good and what cards screw with the game, but I guess you have testicles and I don't because I applied what your logic to a different card to prove my point. THE JOKE IS NOW ON ME.

[Jazin Kay]

No, you're just paranoid/delusional about what you think you know about yugioh.

 

Work for Konami. THEN you can spew your trash logic.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

No' date=' you're just paranoid/delusional about what you think you know about yugioh.

 

Work for Konami. THEN you can spew your trash logic.

[/quote']

Oh, I bet you love the decisions Konami makes with your horrible judgement. Then again, you sure showed me with the response devoid of any sort of logical comeback.

[Jazin Kay]

My logic works. You're the only kid here who's flipping a tit over this card.

 

Your "logic" is paranoid rantings from a child sobbing because a $5 card can pwn you.

 

Balls. grow them.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

My logic works. You're the only kid here who's flipping a tit over this card.

 

Your "logic" is paranoid rantings from a child sobbing because a $5 card can pwn you.

 

Balls. grow them.

 

The only problem with your ingenious post is that I hardly ever use Synchros. At least try learning my argument before you fly off on a tangent, you just look silly. But there's no stopping you now. :S

[Jazin Kay]

But by your argument, it appeared that you did.

 

At least relate to an idiotic opinion before spouting it. It'll help your case. Maybe.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Shame I'm not using one. You did a great job of relating to the "but idiots think cards like these are just fine" argument though, so I have to give you props on that.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

"Use this while you can"?

 

Do not imply this card will be banned or something.

 

You're missing the fact that this is banworthy. Sure' date=' Konami probably won't touch this, but that's only because they follow your logic.

[/quote']

 

Isn't banworthy.

 

They think like me because they think correctly.

 

Only whiners like you who are afraid of good cards are gonna throw crap at this severely situational card, that pays off by being great when used right. Is it tier 1? No. Is it a solid answer for decks that aren't tier 1? Yes. Is it gonna be sided EVERYWHERE and devalue the game? No. Is it gonna piss off the top-table payers because their precious Brionacs and Armor Masters might get pwned by a $5 butt super pulled by a 12-year-old? No one cares.

 

Lern 2 beter at YGOz.

I'm sure you want CED around too. IF YOU DONT LIKE A CARD FOR BEING GOOD THEN QUIT YUGIOH.

 

1. This isn't ban worthy, it's sideable and gold when used correctly.

 

2. CED is BROKEN beyond relief.

 

3. Chill.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

"Use this while you can"?

 

Do not imply this card will be banned or something.

 

You're missing the fact that this is banworthy. Sure' date=' Konami probably won't touch this, but that's only because they follow your logic.

[/quote']

 

Isn't banworthy.

 

They think like me because they think correctly.

 

Only whiners like you who are afraid of good cards are gonna throw crap at this severely situational card, that pays off by being great when used right. Is it tier 1? No. Is it a solid answer for decks that aren't tier 1? Yes. Is it gonna be sided EVERYWHERE and devalue the game? No. Is it gonna piss off the top-table payers because their precious Brionacs and Armor Masters might get pwned by a $5 butt super pulled by a 12-year-old? No one cares.

 

Lern 2 beter at YGOz.

I'm sure you want CED around too. IF YOU DONT LIKE A CARD FOR BEING GOOD THEN QUIT YUGIOH.

 

1. This isn't ban worthy, it's sideable and gold when used correctly.

 

2. CED is BROKEN beyond relief.

 

3. Chill.

Allowing type killers to flourish is just bad for the game.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Oh you two. <3

 

Jazin, notice how no matter how many times you bring up balls and your undying trust in Konami's judgment without saying anything of substance, you're still retarded. Tuner's Scheme provides an unfair amount of advantage in taking control of an opponent's Synchro monster without any cost when Synchro Summoning in of itself isn't an offense. It doesn't matter how situational a card is, it's just cost-to-benefit when it DOES work.

 

inb4"uhnokonamiknowswhatthey'redoingyou'reparanoidgrowballs"

 

VK, obviously the "gold when used correctly" part is the problem here, in this case it's "golden" to the point where it's unbalanced. Pretty basic. Not that there're different ways of using it to the extent that there be a "correct" and incorrect way of using it, you just get lucky enough for them to go to the Extra Deck while this's Set and then you snag their Synchro monster for instant advantage. No skill involved. =/

[Jazin Kay]

You're exaggerating your interpretation of my approval of a portion of Konami's judgment. Stop that.

 

Not broken card is not broken. Bringing up paranoia is a good explanation for why you're chicken enough to say that.

 

Tuner's Scheme will never be even semi-limited. I promise you that. In the odd event it does, I will certainly eat my words. But that won't happen.

 

Allowing type killers to flourish is just bad for the game.

 

Allowing children to cry when their decks that utilize a theme of any kind are beaten by one card are worse for the game.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

ner's Scheme will never be even semi-limited. I promise you that. In the odd event it does' date=' I will certainly eat my words. But that won't happen.

[/quote']

It probably won't be. The point is that it should be, and in trying to use the place Konami will ultimately put it on the list as a compass for where it should be proves your faith in them.

 

You asked me before if Warriors should be banned instead of Warrior Elimination. You missed my point. Warrior Elimination should be banned. If warriors are dominating the meta then the overpowered and gamebreaking ones should be paid attention to, not all of them. The same goes for this card, another type killer throwing the game out of whack.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

You're exaggerating your interpretation of my approval of a portion of Konami's judgment. Stop that.

 

I beg to differ. >_>

 

Not broken card is not broken.

 

CTRL-F; "because" not found.

 

Bringing up paranoia is a good explanation for why you're chicken enough to say that.

 

Doesn't even begin to make sense.

 

Tuner's Scheme will never be even semi-limited. I promise you that. In the odd event it does' date=' I will certainly eat my words. But that won't happen.[/quote']

 

Hahaha, oh wow. "YOU'RE EXAGGERATING MY APPROVAL OF KONAMI STOP THAT."

 

Allowing type killers to flourish is just bad for the game.

 

Allowing children to cry when their decks that utilize a theme of any kind are beaten by one card are worse for the game.

 

Did you just back Atlas up here? FFS man, get it together.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Allowing children to cry when their decks that utilize a theme of any kind are beaten by one card are worse for the game.

GLAD YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND BRO THANKS

[Jazin Kay]

It probably won't be. The point is that it should be' date=' and in trying to use the place Konami will ultimately put it on the list as a compass for where it should be proves your faith in them.

[/quote']

 

But that's where you're simply wrong. It shouldn't be.

 

Think of it another way. Remember when Monster Reborn was limited again? This bizarre, but in some ways effective method of balancing power in the meta. By adding MORE power. This example isn't THAT effective, as it wound up regaining it's staple usage again, but in this case, it was also used by Konami to increase certain sales, another key aspect of the ban list in general.

 

"Gold when used right" is in itself a situational phrase, one that does not prove a card's accusation of being overpowered. There's nothing wrong with this manner of power balance. "Type killers", you called it? I know what you're talking about, but I don't exactly have a title for it. This concept you're talking about is HEALTHY for the game. It allows decks that do not utilize synchros (GBs, Gadgets, some GK builds, etc) to fight on par with all the multitudes of OTHER decks that do, and before the release of Tuner's Scheme, were drowning out most of them with waves of Colossal Fighters and Catastors to grind them into powder. THAT is not the scales flipping wildly. THAT is balance.

 

That's like... Hmmm. It's like a soccer team stomping over another team because they're buff as hell and the losing team is a bunch of scrawny nerds. Tuner's Scheme sorta represents how the nerds got buff as hell over the summer and can now wipe the grass with them. Analogy makes sense?

 

Since I can't get through your thick skull, and you can't get through mine, I propose a poll.

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On the topic of Warrior Elimination being banned:

There's nothing TO throw out of whack. Even if it's banned, people STILL wouldn't use it. Leaving it as is solves nothing and banning ir solves nothing. So why pay attention to it?

 

I don't see how I backed up Atlas, though.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Therein lies the problem. Tuner's Scheme helps cards fight against Synchros. But this is the only effective means of doing so? One would have to main this, and against non-Synchro users it would be an utterly dead draw. And siding it means Synchros can nail you in a turn. However, simply getting rid of ridiculous tuning combos and grossly overpowering generic Synchros balances the game without the help of an awkward card like this. The meta has also been slowed and more control can be practiced.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

"Gold when used right" is in itself a situational phrase' date=' one that does not prove a card's accusation of being overpowered. There's nothing wrong with this manner of power balance. "Type killers", you called it? I know what you're talking about, but I don't exactly have a title for it. This concept you're talking about is HEALTHY for the game. It allows decks that do not utilize synchros (GBs, Gadgets, some GK builds, etc) to fight on par with all the multitudes of OTHER decks that do, and before the release of Tuner's Scheme, were drowning out most of them with waves of Colossal Fighters and Catastors to grind them into powder. THAT is not the scales flipping wildly. THAT is balance.

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In a list with the card in question banned, it's assumed that its not going to be the ONLY card changing its list position. Just because the card in question's banworthy doesn't mean everything else that was ever banworthy now suddenly isn't.

 

On the topic of Warrior Elimination being banned:

There's nothing TO throw out of whack. Even if it's banned' date=' people STILL wouldn't use it. Leaving it as is solves nothing and banning ir solves nothing. So why pay attention to it?[/quote']

 

It doesn't matter how situational it is, it's just its cost-to-benefit ratio when it works. Summoning a couple Warrior-Type monsters isn't an offense worthy of punishment by the potential damage of Warrior Elimination.