Belgian Blue Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Someone started a petition to get UDE to stop its secret rare policy on the UDE forums themselves. While I don't believe it will be to much avail (they have ignored us all this time, why should they pay attention now) I do believe its important to demonstrate how widespread our voice is. So please, if you care about this game, sign the petition. And if you frequent any other boards, or know other people who play the game, inform those people of it as well. Let's face it, none of us have heard a positive word about the secret rare policy that UDE has been shoving down our throat for the last 4 sets and will continue to shove down our throats for AT LEAST the next set as well. Its madness. And whether you feel as strongly as I do, or you don't really care, you know its better for this game and for your wallet if this changes. So PLEASE, PLEASE voice your dismay on the thread below : http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/forums/thread/965367.aspx The entire YGO player community thanks you for your support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibdo Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I wouldn't actually mind having secret rares if they were either: 1) Secret Rares of cards already in the set2) All crap. 3) Not so big in numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 senseless... the secret rares in many ways are the reason that UDE and KONAMI sells more packs than usual... this is a business, and the dealers must search a way to make more sells of their products... also, just think of it: if the secret rare cards are more easy to pull... EVERYBODY will run decks with those cards, even n00b salad decks will have ill blud, everyone will have six samurai deck with really bad cards, and it will force to put those cards on the banlist to balance the game... i say NO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Blue Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 senseless... the secret rares in many ways are the reason that UDE and KONAMI sells more packs than usual... this is a business' date=' and the dealers must search a way to make more sells of their products... also, just think of it: if the secret rare cards are more easy to pull... EVERYBODY will run decks with those cards, even n00b salad decks will have ill blud, everyone will have six samurai deck with really bad cards, and it will force to put those cards on the banlist to balance the game... i say NO...[/quote'] So basically you are saying you don't want everyone to have equal access to cards because you are scared better players than you will beat you ? Wouldn't that make YOU a noob ? The rest of us fight EVERY DAY to make this game more about skill and less about luck, and in order to do that better players need to have equal access to cards. Think about, a number of BETTER cards than these have been reprinted numerous times. The game hasn't suffered yet. In fact it has gotten better. Or did you really enjoy the chaos era with one deck and one deck only ? making these cards easier to get (note, no one is pleading to make them easy to get, just easier, you know, not impossible) will only benefit the game. Think about it. Only reason NOT to vote on this petition is because you KNOW you can't beat other players having the same cards as you. You aren't THAT bad are you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 senseless... the secret rares in many ways are the reason that UDE and KONAMI sells more packs than usual... this is a business' date=' and the dealers must search a way to make more sells of their products... also, just think of it: if the secret rare cards are more easy to pull... EVERYBODY will run decks with those cards, even n00b salad decks will have ill blud, everyone will have six samurai deck with really bad cards, and it will force to put those cards on the banlist to balance the game... i say NO...[/quote'] So basically you are saying you don't want everyone to have equal access to cards because you are scared better players than you will beat you ? Wouldn't that make YOU a noob ? The rest of us fight EVERY DAY to make this game more about skill and less about luck, and in order to do that better players need to have equal access to cards. and i say if you believe that the free access to secret cards will improve the skills more that the luck... you are the noob... a card don't make a good player, a good combination of cards makes a good player... i say that if someone really wants a deck type, so fight fot it, i'm not scared of being defeated, because that make me improve my skills... that's called EVOLUTION... what really scares me is to play a guy that activates crush card virus over his tongue twister and claiming that he can draw 2 more and then attack directly with... PETIT MOTH?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Blue Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Did you listen to a word I said ? A card doesn't make a good player : HAVING EQUAL ACCESS TO ALL CARDS MAKES SURE THE BEST PLAYER WINS. The size of your wallet shouldn't dictate which cards you can and cannot play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God GAK Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I agree with ya, but let those stupid guys who spend 200-300$ on cards (no offense to all those YCM's who do). Let them spend all their money. You cannot be a good player when you are based on BUY BUY BUY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Did you listen to a word I said ? A card doesn't make a good player : HAVING EQUAL ACCESS TO ALL CARDS MAKES SURE THE BEST PLAYER WINS. The size of your wallet shouldn't dictate which cards you can and cannot play. that's sound like "i can't win because i can't have ill blud for my deck"... when a good constructed deck can make you win... if you can't understand which i said just ask a little question: how many secret cards has a reverse quiz OTK deck? or a DDT deck? how many secret cards has a macro monarch deck? (without counting marshmallon, that one is like a common now) or a deckout deck? those decks wins without an expensive card, when they're good structured... let's face it, even when you have access to those cards and they're cheaper on ebay, that won't make you the best player... and god gak made a good point, you can't win with only buying, you must know your cards too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God GAK Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Yeah. The Game isn't played the way "WOW! I just bought an Il Blud Zombie Deck! NOW I CAN DEFEAT ANYONE!" Nope. That's not the right way. Learn your deck and try to find your OWN combos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I don't think it's right to have everyone have every card. In that case, everyone could copy the winning deck perfectly. More importantly, you wouldn't have to think outside the box to make a winning deck. You're supposed to make a deck out of the cards you have. But maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of what you're trying to do. It won't make everyone have Secret Rares, it just won't make them basically impossible to get (Really impossible to collect them all). I don't know how good of a point maker this is. But what feeling do you get when you pull a Secret Rare? Isn't it just FREAKING AWESOME!!!! (For lack of motivation to find a better term). I know when I pulled my "Neo-Parshath - The Sky Paladin" I darn near crapped myself. And I don't know if that feeling would be any less awesome if they were less rare.But that could also be trumped by the fact that I actually pulled a SECRET RARE!! I mean I get kinda the same feeling when I pull an ultra... okay maybe not nearly as much as a Secret, but still, I get happy I suppose. I don't know, I'm kinda torn on this a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I agree with Shaco. I've pulled 2 Vennominaga's, and 1 Gladiator Beast Octavius, three Secret Rares, in about 3 months. That's a big accomplishment, and I've also pulled 4 ultras two weeks ago. Pulling Secrets isn't that challenging if you have my luck. Let players duel with an interesting Deck, not just a Basic Apprentice Engine Deck you see all around the SJC. Whats the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Supreme Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 senseless... the secret rares in many ways are the reason that UDE and KONAMI sells more packs than usual... this is a business' date=' and the dealers must search a way to make more sells of their products... also, just think of it: if the secret rare cards are more easy to pull... EVERYBODY will run decks with those cards, even n00b salad decks will have ill blud, everyone will have six samurai deck with really bad cards, and it will force to put those cards on the banlist to balance the game... i say NO...[/quote'] So basically you are saying you don't want everyone to have equal access to cards because you are scared better players than you will beat you ? Wouldn't that make YOU a noob ? The rest of us fight EVERY DAY to make this game more about skill and less about luck, and in order to do that better players need to have equal access to cards. Think about, a number of BETTER cards than these have been reprinted numerous times. The game hasn't suffered yet. In fact it has gotten better. Or did you really enjoy the chaos era with one deck and one deck only ? making these cards easier to get (note, no one is pleading to make them easy to get, just easier, you know, not impossible) will only benefit the game. Think about it. Only reason NOT to vote on this petition is because you KNOW you can't beat other players having the same cards as you. You aren't THAT bad are you ? WTF....why dont you ask them to give you all the cards while your at it...then everyone will have any deck they like.. all i see is some cheap noob asking to get all the cards in the game...and while your at it as well ask for all the cards to be common..... What i think you lost a million time with your cards and want the best...well everyone on this forum has his own deck...his own card..and dueling depends not on what cards you have but the way you play..i beat a c beast deck with some random e hero deck.Look anyone can get secret rares i mean i have more than 70 secret rares ..i sold my 7 Choas neos and got 3 Wii games....Look the game is About making your own deck and decks are not about having the best cards in 1 deck...why dont you make a deck while you have dark + light monsters in it!its the same thing..ive seen c*** cards get real good combos with other C*** cards!So Get over it!+ ove seen a guy that had more than 30 Glad packs and the only rarity he got was Rare and he still made a Great deck!He beat 30 ppl with it..SECRET RARES DOES NOT MEAN THE BEST THERE ARE GREAT COMMONS AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 senseless... the secret rares in many ways are the reason that UDE and KONAMI sells more packs than usual... this is a business' date=' and the dealers must search a way to make more sells of their products... also, just think of it: if the secret rare cards are more easy to pull... EVERYBODY will run decks with those cards, even n00b salad decks will have ill blud, everyone will have six samurai deck with really bad cards, and it will force to put those cards on the banlist to balance the game... i say NO...[/quote'] So basically you are saying you don't want everyone to have equal access to cards because you are scared better players than you will beat you ? Wouldn't that make YOU a noob ? The rest of us fight EVERY DAY to make this game more about skill and less about luck, and in order to do that better players need to have equal access to cards. Think about, a number of BETTER cards than these have been reprinted numerous times. The game hasn't suffered yet. In fact it has gotten better. Or did you really enjoy the chaos era with one deck and one deck only ? making these cards easier to get (note, no one is pleading to make them easy to get, just easier, you know, not impossible) will only benefit the game. Think about it. Only reason NOT to vote on this petition is because you KNOW you can't beat other players having the same cards as you. You aren't THAT bad are you ? (bolded part) I like your socialism. Aside the point, I like secret rares for my own reasons, but I see the problem with them. (Please note I never clicked the link) The problem with secret rares is that there are more than 5 in a set. With the Release of GLAS, the secret rare per pack ratio (originally 1/48) was reduced by 30% upon the release of GLAS (now, 2/67 or 1/33.5). Had there been 5 secret rares, this would not have been a problem, but since there are at least 10, all the cards (individual-specific) are at least 1/335 v.s. the ultras which are about 1/60 per individual card. 1/12, or 5/60 is an ultra, and there are 5 ultras, so for every 60 rares printed should theoretically be one of each ultra. With the secret rares, it is about 335 rares to each individual Necroface, Royal Firestorm Guards, and Stealth Union. I can understand why you would want them to be more common, or have less of them. I will sign after I return home. But I would hope that Secret rares remain as cool looking (Stealth Union may suck, but it is the best looking secret made in GLAS.) as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I just want the secrets to be less... rare, because if you spend $100 on 48 packs of TAEV, you want at least one crappy secret rare... *yea, i did buy 48 packs, sealed in 2 boxes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (bolded part) I like your socialism. Aside the point' date=' I like secret rares for my own reasons, but I see the problem with them. (Please note I never clicked the link) The problem with secret rares is that there are more than 5 in a set. With the Release of GLAS, the secret rare per pack ratio (originally 1/48) was reduced by 30% upon the release of GLAS (now, 2/67 or 1/33.5). Had there been 5 secret rares, this would not have been a problem, but since there are at least 10, all the cards (individual-specific) are at least 1/335 v.s. the ultras which are about 1/60 per individual card. 1/12, or 5/60 is an ultra, and there are 5 ultras, so for every 60 rares printed should theoretically be one of each ultra. With the secret rares, it is about 335 rares to each individual Necroface, Royal Firestorm Guards, and Stealth Union. I can understand why you would want them to be more common, or have less of them. I will sign after I return home. But I would hope that Secret rares remain as cool looking (Stealth Union may suck, but it is the best looking secret made in GLAS.) as they are.[/quote'] in you calculation you forgot ghost rares... that new rarity has lowered the ratio of getting an untra or secret rare a lot... that's why more people has ill blud or royal firestorm guard more that judgment of anubis, jinzo or vampire lord secret... secret rares are most acquirable than you think/whinning about... so why make them more common?? that only takes the excitement of getting packs... also there's another flaw on that, if secret rares are mor common, the offer on internet will be more, so that card that afford $100 on ebay, will cost $75... but they will sell 5 instead of 2... so who wins with that balded idea?? the dealers that profit with the cards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 (bolded part) I like your socialism. Aside the point' date=' I like secret rares for my own reasons, but I see the problem with them. (Please note I never clicked the link) The problem with secret rares is that there are more than 5 in a set. With the Release of GLAS, the secret rare per pack ratio (originally 1/48) was reduced by 30% upon the release of GLAS (now, 2/67 or 1/33.5). Had there been 5 secret rares, this would not have been a problem, but since there are at least 10, all the cards (individual-specific) are at least 1/335 v.s. the ultras which are about 1/60 per individual card. 1/12, or 5/60 is an ultra, and there are 5 ultras, so for every 60 rares printed should theoretically be one of each ultra. With the secret rares, it is about 335 rares to each individual Necroface, Royal Firestorm Guards, and Stealth Union. I can understand why you would want them to be more common, or have less of them. I will sign after I return home. But I would hope that Secret rares remain as cool looking (Stealth Union may suck, but it is the best looking secret made in GLAS.) as they are.[/quote'] in you calculation you forgot ghost rares... that new rarity has lowered the ratio of getting an untra or secret rare a lot... that's why more people has ill blud or royal firestorm guard more that judgment of anubis, jinzo or vampire lord secret... secret rares are most acquirable than you think/whinning about... so why make them more common?? that only takes the excitement of getting packs... also there's another flaw on that, if secret rares are mor common, the offer on internet will be more, so that card that afford $100 on ebay, will cost $75... but they will sell 5 instead of 2... so who wins with that balded idea?? the dealers that profit with the cards... The more people pay for secrets. The better. I can obtain almost any I wish to with just some list scouting. And Ghost rares don't change it much, they get thrown in less than once every box, which means it affects the secrets a lot less than the ultras and supers do. I'm not whining, I'm stating fact. I can get essentially any non SJC Champs card I want for little or no cost, so I'm not the one whining about this, I just want them to be less rare so I have more to obtain. I don't buy packs unless there scaled, or at a pre release, because I don't find paying money for sheet cards fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 i like all the secret rares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 i like them i believe ther emuch more easier to getthen when they just had 1 secret rare in a pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Blue Posted December 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 that's sound like "i can't win because i can't have ill blud for my deck"... when a good constructed deck can make you win... if you can't understand which i said just ask a little question: how many secret cards has a reverse quiz OTK deck? or a DDT deck? how many secret cards has a macro monarch deck? (without counting marshmallon' date=' that one is like a common now) or a deckout deck? those decks wins without an expensive card, when they're good structured... let's face it, even when you have access to those cards and they're cheaper on ebay, that won't make you the best player... and god gak made a good point, you can't win with only buying, you must know your cards too...[/quote'] It never ceases to amaze me how short-sighted you are. Of course I can win without them. I do. Heck I can beat you with a blindfold, one hand behind my back and a random pile of commons judging by most of your posts. But that's not the point we are making. Venom decks aren't competitive at all. But you couldn't play them if you wanted to, you can't afford a venominaga anyway ! Counter fairies could be a tier 1 deck, but we'll never know, cause no one can afford a playset of nova, gellen, meltiel and what not. This affects the diversity of the game. And while the impact of the secret rare policy hasn't affected ones ability to win a major event YET, it surely will when people will be clamoring for secret rare CCV and Gaius the Wicked Monarch after PTDN. Lets see which macro monarch decks win jumps then ... not the ones you can afford that's for sure. And did you stop to think that nearly every one of your examples only exemplifies that the rich win in this game ? Ever tried building a DDT without DMOC, MSE, D-fusion ?(ok, well maybe YOU have, but lets say would a good player attempt that ?) Ever count how many CCV's are in extistence ? ever count how many made t16 since september ? Why am I wasting this discourse on you guys anyway ? Its painfully obvious by now none of you are smart enough of good enough players to see the impact of this. So I'll leave you wallow in your ignorance. Disregard the thread entirely ... Dumb f*cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 that's sound like "i can't win because i can't have ill blud for my deck"... when a good constructed deck can make you win... if you can't understand which i said just ask a little question: how many secret cards has a reverse quiz OTK deck? or a DDT deck? how many secret cards has a macro monarch deck? (without counting marshmallon' date=' that one is like a common now) or a deckout deck? those decks wins without an expensive card, when they're good structured... let's face it, even when you have access to those cards and they're cheaper on ebay, that won't make you the best player... and god gak made a good point, you can't win with only buying, you must know your cards too...[/quote'] It never ceases to amaze me how short-sighted you are. Of course I can win without them. I do. Heck I can beat you with a blindfold, one hand behind my back and a random pile of commons judging by most of your posts. But that's not the point we are making. Venom decks aren't competitive at all. But you couldn't play them if you wanted to, you can't afford a venominaga anyway ! Counter fairies could be a tier 1 deck, but we'll never know, cause no one can afford a playset of nova, gellen, meltiel and what not. This affects the diversity of the game. And while the impact of the secret rare policy hasn't affected ones ability to win a major event YET, it surely will when people will be clamoring for secret rare CCV and Gaius the Wicked Monarch after PTDN. Lets see which macro monarch decks win jumps then ... not the ones you can afford that's for sure. And did you stop to think that nearly every one of your examples only exemplifies that the rich win in this game ? Ever tried building a DDT without DMOC, MSE, D-fusion ?(ok, well maybe YOU have, but lets say would a good player attempt that ?) Ever count how many CCV's are in extistence ? ever count how many made t16 since september ? Why am I wasting this discourse on you guys anyway ? Its painfully obvious by now none of you are smart enough of good enough players to see the impact of this. So I'll leave you wallow in your ignorance. Disregard the thread entirely ... Dumb f*cks. HEY! WATCH THE LANGUAGE!Plus... ahvign secrets is the point of the collecting part of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Blue Posted December 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 No, ultimates are the point of the collecting part of the game, having an alternate, harder to find rarity of cards that already exist in an easier to get rarity promotes collectibility. Having cards no one but the richest person can get only discourages players as well as collectors. And you are really telling me to watch my language ? I only came here recently after a friend of mine had a dispute in your deck section, and by the time I arrived, three subsequent posts with flames had been made, and more followed. But you call me out for pointing out the utter nonsense of your way of thinking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 that's sound like "i can't win because i can't have ill blud for my deck"... when a good constructed deck can make you win... if you can't understand which i said just ask a little question: how many secret cards has a reverse quiz OTK deck? or a DDT deck? how many secret cards has a macro monarch deck? (without counting marshmallon' date=' that one is like a common now) or a deckout deck? those decks wins without an expensive card, when they're good structured... let's face it, even when you have access to those cards and they're cheaper on ebay, that won't make you the best player... and god gak made a good point, you can't win with only buying, you must know your cards too...[/quote'] It never ceases to amaze me how short-sighted you are. Of course I can win without them. I do. Heck I can beat you with a blindfold, one hand behind my back and a random pile of commons judging by most of your posts. But that's not the point we are making. Venom decks aren't competitive at all. But you couldn't play them if you wanted to, you can't afford a venominaga anyway ! Counter fairies could be a tier 1 deck, but we'll never know, cause no one can afford a playset of nova, gellen, meltiel and what not. This affects the diversity of the game. And while the impact of the secret rare policy hasn't affected ones ability to win a major event YET, it surely will when people will be clamoring for secret rare CCV and Gaius the Wicked Monarch after PTDN. Lets see which macro monarch decks win jumps then ... not the ones you can afford that's for sure. And did you stop to think that nearly every one of your examples only exemplifies that the rich win in this game ? Ever tried building a DDT without DMOC, MSE, D-fusion ?(ok, well maybe YOU have, but lets say would a good player attempt that ?) Ever count how many CCV's are in existence ? ever count how many made t16 since September ? Why am I wasting this discourse on you guys anyway ? Its painfully obvious by now none of you are smart enough of good enough players to see the impact of this. So I'll leave you wallow in your ignorance. Disregard the thread entirely ... Dumb f*cks. Someone's a little cwanky. And a few people did say they'd sign, didn't they? It's a collectible card game. You have to have some cards rarer than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 No' date=' ultimates are the point of the collecting part of the game, having an alternate, harder to find rarity of cards that already exist in an easier to get rarity promotes collectibility. Having cards no one but the richest person can get only discourages players as well as collectors. And you are really telling me to watch my language ? I only came here recently after a friend of mine had a dispute in your deck section, and by the time I arrived, three subsequent posts with flames had been made, and more followed. But you call me out for pointing out the utter nonsense of your way of thinking ?[/quote'] in my deck section? im pretty sure i ahd nothign to do with it!plus i barely even post in the deck section at least i dont swear to other members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestLess-BoTics Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Yeah, I like secret rares...lolBut, I'm not a person who BUY! BUY! BUYS!Seriously, If you have all the cards in the world, and you don't know how to use them....what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben7922 Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I seriously don't see the point of whining about thisI'm saying keep the secrets but increase the diversity in each set or more cards per set. Making cards secret prevent them from being overly played and banned(already stated). This significantly increases the sales of these packs for the slim chance of pulling them. I'd prefer seeing more Ultras then secrets, gone through pulling all of the recent ones over and over. I'd rather wait and see a larger set that would have over 150 cards. But if you constantly claim stupidity to whoever disagrees, seriously ease up. Accept opinions and converse like an actual person, not like some douchebag. Otherwise no one will take you seriously, I can bet over 70% of people that read this aren't taking your opinions seriously. I'll probably be flamed and what-not, who cares? All in all, less secrets and more Ultras/Supers. Or at least larger more diverse sets. No secrets=less sales which leads to an early end of yugioh. We don't want that now do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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