Is this a Loophole in Guardians[disc]

[DeathSDelano]

I just got a random G

 

This card can only be Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned, or Special Summoned when there is a "Shooting Star Bow - Ceal" on your side of the field. Send an Equip Spell Card on your side of field equipped to this card to the Graveyard to destroy 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field.

 

 

Notice how it does not say the word Set anywhere on it so is this a loophole in summoning the guardians

[Wizarus]

Old news is old.

[evilfusion]

Yes, but it doesn't do you a whole lot of good. Grarl doesn't get its Special Summon effect, Ceal can't nuke monsters unless flipped up another way. Elma...is useless if it can't be Summoned normally, and thanks to her equip being banned...Kay'est has 1800 defense, so that's the only one worth setting, but Kay'est's effect is it can't be attacked, allowing opponents to attack directly if it's alone. Tryce...granted, Tryce really doesn't care if it's set or not.

 

Even setting the Guardians won't make them good.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Old news is old.

[Guest Welche]

Good news, you can set this, but then what? It can't be flipped summoned.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Book of Taiyou (or w/e the name was)

[evilfusion]

And as mentioned, the Guardians are too bad to even utilize if they WERE faceup. Pity they're so bad, because Rafael using them to beat Yugi was immensely satisfying.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Guardians are too bad

 

Guardian Eatos is very upset. She would like to have a long conversation with you.

[evilfusion]

Eatos barely fits in that classification because it doesn't have the "need this equip spell to summon" effect that Ceal, Tryce, Baou, Grarl, Elma, and Kay'est have. While it is a Guardian, it's the only one that doesn't completely suck in both effect and summoning conditions.

[burnpsy]

Eatos barely fits in that classification because it doesn't have the "need this equip spell to summon" effect that Ceal' date=' Tryce, Baou, Grarl, Elma, and Kay'est have. While it is a Guardian, it's the only one that doesn't completely suck in both effect and summoning conditions.

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Infernity Guardian, Koa'ki Meiru Guardian, essentially everything else that Arsenal Summoner can search would like a word.

[Toffee.]

ITS NOT A LOOPHOLE!

 

Konami only excluded the "Set" part so they could be remotely playable, in the even that you didnt have said Equip Spell in play.

[Flame Dragon]

Eatos barely fits in that classification because it doesn't have the "need this equip spell to summon" effect that Ceal' date=' Tryce, Baou, Grarl, Elma, and Kay'est have. While it is a Guardian, it's the only one that doesn't completely suck in both effect and summoning conditions.

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Infernity Guardian, Koa'ki Meiru Guardian, essentially everything else that Arsenal Summoner can search would like a word.

 

Those don't count in the archtype, or at least I don't think they do.

 

This is old news. Not only that but their effects aren't good enough to for you to try to take advantage of this.

[burnpsy]

Eatos barely fits in that classification because it doesn't have the "need this equip spell to summon" effect that Ceal' date=' Tryce, Baou, Grarl, Elma, and Kay'est have. While it is a Guardian, it's the only one that doesn't completely suck in both effect and summoning conditions.

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Infernity Guardian, Koa'ki Meiru Guardian, essentially everything else that Arsenal Summoner can search would like a word.

 

Those don't count in the archtype, or at least I don't think they do.

 

They do, oddly enough. >___>

[morfowt]

they do count under the archetype guardians, actually... but their only real life support card is arsenal summoner, so big whoop...

[evilfusion]

The "Guardian" archetype I'm referring to are more or less the cards with Guardian in its name that apply to the Equip Spell mechanic. Eatos had this aspect in the anime, but thankfully does not in the TCG. The cards that fall into this category are:

 

Guardian Eatos

Guardian Grarl

Guardian Tryce

Guardian Ceal

Guardian Elma

Guardian Baou

Guardian Kay'est

and Arsenal Summoner supports.

 

The equip spells related to the archetype are all labeled as "Name of Weapon" - "Name of Guardian". Such as "Wicked Breaking Flamberge- Baou" and "Gravity Axe- Grarl". The anime had the card "Celestial Sword-Eatos" so once again that is why Eatos applies.

 

There are tons of monsters with "Guardian" in its name that wont count as part of the archetype as they have no relationship to the same mechanic. They dont require specific, corresponding equip spells to be played, nor have they in previous incarnations.

 

Infernity Guardian is in the Infernity archetype. Koaki Meiru Guardian is in the Koaki Meiru archetype. Guardian Sphinx...I dunno, the "Rocks that flip itself facedown" archetype? I guess that's not a real archetype, since archetypes have some form of synergy beyond one meh-tacular support card.

[-Berserker-]

The "Guardian" archetype I'm referring to are more or less the cards with Guardian in its name that apply to the Equip Spell mechanic. Eatos had this aspect in the anime' date=' but thankfully does not in the TCG. The cards that fall into this category are:

 

Guardian Eatos

Guardian Grarl

Guardian Tryce

Guardian Ceal

Guardian Elma

Guardian Baou

Guardian Kay'est

and Arsenal Summoner supports.

 

The equip spells related to the archetype are all labeled as "Name of Weapon" - "Name of Guardian". Such as "Wicked Breaking Flamberge- Baou" and "Gravity Axe- Grarl". The anime had the card "Celestial Sword-Eatos" so once again that is why Eatos applies.

 

There are tons of monsters with "Guardian" in its name that wont count as part of the archetype as they have no relationship to the same mechanic. They dont require specific, corresponding equip spells to be played, nor have they in previous incarnations.

 

Infernity Guardian is in the Infernity archetype. Koaki Meiru Guardian is in the Koaki Meiru archetype. Guardian Sphinx...I dunno, the "Rocks that flip itself facedown" archetype? I guess that's not a real archetype, since archetypes have some form of synergy beyond one meh-tacular support card.

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According to Wikia, there is a Sphinx archetype...

[burnpsy]

The "Guardian" archetype I'm referring to are more or less the cards with Guardian in its name that apply to the Equip Spell mechanic. Eatos had this aspect in the anime' date=' but thankfully does not in the TCG. The cards that fall into this category are:

 

Guardian Eatos

Guardian Grarl

Guardian Tryce

Guardian Ceal

Guardian Elma

Guardian Baou

Guardian Kay'est

and Arsenal Summoner supports.

 

The equip spells related to the archetype are all labeled as "Name of Weapon" - "Name of Guardian". Such as "Wicked Breaking Flamberge- Baou" and "Gravity Axe- Grarl". The anime had the card "Celestial Sword-Eatos" so once again that is why Eatos applies.

 

There are tons of monsters with "Guardian" in its name that wont count as part of the archetype as they have no relationship to the same mechanic. They dont require specific, corresponding equip spells to be played, nor have they in previous incarnations.

 

Infernity Guardian is in the Infernity archetype. Koaki Meiru Guardian is in the Koaki Meiru archetype. Guardian Sphinx...I dunno, the "Rocks that flip itself facedown" archetype? I guess that's not a real archetype, since archetypes have some form of synergy beyond one meh-tacular support card.

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The fact of the mater is, if there's a Guardian support card, it would check for a "Guardian" monster. Thus, everything with Guardian in its Japanese name works.

 

There ARE cards in multiple archetypes. Dakness Neosphere is a clear example of this, as is Neos himself.

[Dr. Cakey]

Is Neosphere spelled the same as Neos on the Japanese card?

 

I think it would be more appropriate to say that Arsenal Summoner can search "Guardian" monsters rather than all monsters with "Guardian" in there names actually being Guardians. For example, imagine if there was a card that let you add a monster with "Dark" in its name to your hand (not that this would ever be done), as Dark Counterpart Support. There are now a gajillion-and-a-half other cards that could be searched by it, but they aren't part of a "Dark" archetype. (Incidentally, I think "Dark" is the second-most commonly used word in card names. Right after "The" :D)

[burnpsy]

Is Neosphere spelled the same as Neos on the Japanese card?

 

I think it would be more appropriate to say that Arsenal Summoner can search "Guardian" monsters rather than all monsters with "Guardian" in there names actually being Guardians. For example' date=' imagine if there was a card that let you add a monster with "Dark" in its name to your hand (not that this would ever be done), as Dark Counterpart Support. There are now a gajillion-and-a-half other cards that could be searched by it, but they aren't part of a "Dark" archetype. (Incidentally, I think "Dark" is the second-most commonly used word in card names. Right after "The" :D)

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"of" and "with" beats it.

 

Also, I'm fairly sure it does.

[Dr. Cakey]

Is Neosphere spelled the same as Neos on the Japanese card?

 

I think it would be more appropriate to say that Arsenal Summoner can search "Guardian" monsters rather than all monsters with "Guardian" in there names actually being Guardians. For example' date=' imagine if there was a card that let you add a monster with "Dark" in its name to your hand (not that this would ever be done), as Dark Counterpart Support. There are now a gajillion-and-a-half other cards that could be searched by it, but they aren't part of a "Dark" archetype. (Incidentally, I think "Dark" is the second-most commonly used word in card names. Right after "The" :D)

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"of" and "with" beats it.

 

Also, I'm fairly sure it does.

Right, of course. Prepositions win every time.

 

That's kind of funny, you can use Darkness Neosphere for God Neos. :P

 

Back on topic, the point is that while they are by the definition of an archetype in the same archetype, the extraneous Guardians would be better called supported by Arsenal Summoner.

 

Its like Gadget Driver/Hauler and the Boot-Up Soldier. It's meant to be used with the three Gadgets, but is technically supported by those. On the flip side, the "Cyber" monsters could be called an archetype, but only the Cyber Dragons and Cyber Ogres are definitive archetypes.

 

Also, I will take this opportunity to say that Cyber Valley is awesome.

[Azuh]

Darkness Neosphere also is a "Sphere" monster.

 

Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon is a Darkness monster

 

Ah... the lolz of Yugimons

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

and on your list, where does Gate Guardian stand?

 

im pretty sure he's a Guardian.

 

 

OT:

 

This loop was discovered 20 hundred million years ago, its old.

[Mehmani]

I really hope Failnami make Guardians good. The episode where Rafael beat Yugi has always been my favourite, and I ran Guardians as a Joke at a Tourney once. I did okay.

[Canadian]

Thats like trying to point out that captain gold can be set, who cares!