STEALING/LOCKDOWN

[BlastCap]

Would this work?

 

Take control of an enemy monster with say Brain Control. Then activate cards like Ojama Trio and/or Ground Collapse to fill up your opponents field. If all their monster zones are filled when you have to give the monster back what happens. they don't have a monster zone to put it in is it destroyed or do you get to keep it.

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hello, whatcha think?

[Fraz]

It gets destroyed if it can't go back.

[CrabHelmet]

If I recall correctly, this destruction is considered to be neither by card effect nor by battle nor by anything similar to card effect (like failure to pay a maintenance cost) but simply by game mechanic. That's fairly unusual; the only other case I can think of in which that sort of destruction appears is in the case of a non-optional non-terminable infinite loop whose initiation could not have been foreseen by the player that took the action that triggered it, which is resolved by one of the cards involved dying.

[BlastCap]

ya lost me

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If you lock down all your opponents monster card zones with Ojama king and Ground Collpase is that lik an automatic check, I mean they can't summon anything right

[Fraz]

He's talking about something along the lines of Muka Muka on the field with gaia power/solidarity, another monster and pole position. Muka Muka increases attack when you draw a card so if you draw a card and muka is now the strongest monster out it becomes unaffected by the attack booster because of pole position's effect and becomes smaller than the other monster, the other monster is now affected by pole position meaning that muka is bigger than the other monster, but then he's the bigger monster so muka becomes smaller because of pole position, and so on...

 

Drawing a card was what caused this infinite loop, drawing is a game mechanic and must happen so it's neither players fault for the loop and no illegal move happened, therefore the attack boost spell is now destroyed by game mechanics.

[CrabHelmet]

He's talking about something along the lines of Muka Muka on the field with gaia power/solidarity' date=' another monster and pole position. Muka Muka increases attack when you draw a card so if you draw a card and muka is now the strongest monster out it becomes unaffected by the attack booster because of pole position's effect and becomes smaller than the other monster, the other monster is now affected by pole position meaning that muka is bigger than the other monster, but then he's the bigger monster so muka becomes smaller because of pole position, and so on...

 

Drawing a card was what caused this infinite loop, drawing is a game mechanic and must happen so it's neither players fault for the loop and no illegal move happened, therefore the attack boost spell is now destroyed by game mechanics.

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I was thinking more about the simpler case of attacking into a face-down monster with an ATK-boosting Spell in play that causes something to go horribly wrong, but that works too. Pole Position is the card most likely to cause such a problem.

 

However, my understanding was that it was not the ATK-boosting Spell but rather Pole Position that was destroyed by the game mechanic - and that its effect did not then destroy any monster in response to this destruction.

[-Berserker-]

If I recall correctly' date=' this destruction is considered to be neither by card effect nor by battle nor by anything similar to card effect (like failure to pay a maintenance cost) but simply by game mechanic. That's fairly unusual; the only other case I can think of in which that sort of destruction appears is in the case of a non-optional non-terminable infinite loop whose initiation could not have been foreseen by the player that took the action that triggered it, which is resolved by one of the cards involved dying.

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What about cards that can be only one of at the field at the same time? Like Goalkeeper Cheff...

[-Griffin]

Then we get into the fun situation of "I activate MST/Heavy/Smashing/101 other removal cards" and your lock is broken.

 

Also, you can't steal things this way, they just get destroyed.

[CrabHelmet]

If I recall correctly' date=' this destruction is considered to be neither by card effect nor by battle nor by anything similar to card effect (like failure to pay a maintenance cost) but simply by game mechanic. That's fairly unusual; the only other case I can think of in which that sort of destruction appears is in the case of a non-optional non-terminable infinite loop whose initiation could not have been foreseen by the player that took the action that triggered it, which is resolved by one of the cards involved dying.

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What about cards that can be only one of at the field at the same time? Like Goalkeeper Cheff...

 

I consider that to fall under "anything similar to card effect". It's printed on the text of the card, so it's close enough.

[Fraz]

I don't see any rulings about this so this may be simpler...

 

I book of moon your earthbound immortal. I now tribute summon my own earthbound immortal and attack your face down immortal.

 

In this situation I think damage calculation happens (so if I attacked your guy with a treeborn frog I'd still take damage) then at the end of damage calculation the EI that was face down is now destroyed because EI guys say there can only be one on the field.

 

Like I said, I don't see any rulings but I assume this is how it would work.

[BlastCap]

but what if you lock down all your opponets monster zones with ground collapse plus Ojama King. Is that like an automatic check, becuase you opponent has no monsters and can summon no monsters. Check

[CrabHelmet]

but what if you lock down all your opponets monster zones with ground collapse plus Ojama King. Is that like an automatic check' date=' becuase you opponent has no monsters and can summon no monsters. Check

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As much as the flavour of the Archfiends says otherwise, this game is not chess.

[BlastCap]

metaphore, does thtmean the enemy is essentialy screwed, blued, and tatooed

[Fraz]

Don't try to speak in metaphors if you don't punctuate properly.

[Aximil]

but what if you lock down all your opponets monster zones with ground collapse plus Ojama King. Is that like an automatic check' date=' becuase you opponent has no monsters and can summon no monsters. Check

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The only time this will EVER occur is in a Yata-Lock. It's where your opponent can't draw and their field is empty. If you just block off all of their Monster Zones, they can still play Spells or Traps to stop it.

[CrabHelmet]

metaphore' date=' does thtmean the enemy is essentialy screwed, blued, and tatooed

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I don't speak your language - English is my native tongue - so I am going to guess that those words mean, respectively, "Not in all that bad shape", "About to activate s/t-based removal", and "Laughing at you for thinking this combo is so great".

[Aximil]

metaphore' date=' does thtmean the enemy is essentialy screwed, blued, and tatooed

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I don't speak your language - English is my native tongue - so I am going to guess that those words mean, respectively, "Not in all that bad shape", "About to activate s/t-based removal", and "Laughing at you for thinking this combo is so great".

 

Crab, it appears that you and I speak the same language.