daboss144 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 BannedJDBrionic LimitedBlack Whirlwind is all im hoping for. thats not to much to ask. Ironically' date=' this isn't such a bad proposal. I'd ban Vayu and Limit BfaDD while we're at it.[/quote'] There's no way that Konami is banning JD. They'll never ban him until LS get a new Boss monster. They're limiting Lumina and Celestia and possibly banning wulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 celestia IS a boss monster. @tempestzombies are a type, not an archetype.furthermore, they were also hit heavily by cosr being banned, and plague limited. all that at once really funked their sheet up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboss144 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 celestia IS a boss monster. Not really... It's just a really good monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 celestia IS a boss monster. Not really... It's just a really good monarch. To claim that Celestia is fine because she is just a "theme-specific pseudo-Monarch" is to ignore the very important differences between her and an actual Monarch. Monarchs' date=' by and large, are +0 and kill only one card by their effect. There are two exceptions, Mobius and Kuraz, but the differences between them and the other Monarchs (and Celestia) are clear enough that I will take for granted that you understand the difference between blowing up any two cards, blowing up only two backfield cards, and blowing up two cards but paying for them and not attacking. The difference between a +0 and a +1 is not nearly as small as it sounds - imagine how people would rage if a Normal Spell that read "Activate only if you control a "Lightsworn" monster. Draw 2 cards. Your opponent gains 1000 Life Points" were released. However, while this difference is significant in general, it is even more significant when it comes to field advantage. Assume that a reasonable field size is, say, 3 cards. Something like Caius or Raiza that clears 1 card still leaves the opponent with a respectable field; on the other hand, blowing up 2 cards leaves the opponent with next-to-nothing and leaves them wide open. In that sense, Celestia is taking up Judgment Dragoon's role of "Pop out, blow up field, attack for game".[/quote'] For illustration, suppose 3 is considered a reasonable field size. Destroying one card leaves most of the field intact. Destroying two cards leaves most of the field... less than intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboss144 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 celestia IS a boss monster. Not really... It's just a really good monarch. To claim that Celestia is fine because she is just a "theme-specific pseudo-Monarch" is to ignore the very important differences between her and an actual Monarch. Monarchs' date=' by and large, are +0 and kill only one card by their effect. There are two exceptions, Mobius and Kuraz, but the differences between them and the other Monarchs (and Celestia) are clear enough that I will take for granted that you understand the difference between blowing up any two cards, blowing up only two backfield cards, and blowing up two cards but paying for them and not attacking. The difference between a +0 and a +1 is not nearly as small as it sounds - imagine how people would rage if a Normal Spell that read "Activate only if you control a "Lightsworn" monster. Draw 2 cards. Your opponent gains 1000 Life Points" were released. However, while this difference is significant in general, it is even more significant when it comes to field advantage. Assume that a reasonable field size is, say, 3 cards. Something like Caius or Raiza that clears 1 card still leaves the opponent with a respectable field; on the other hand, blowing up 2 cards leaves the opponent with next-to-nothing and leaves them wide open. In that sense, Celestia is taking up Judgment Dragoon's role of "Pop out, blow up field, attack for game".[/quote'] For illustration, suppose 3 is considered a reasonable field size. Destroying one card leaves most of the field intact. Destroying two cards leaves most of the field... less than intact. I still don't think it qualifies as a boss monster... It may be good (really good) but it's not in the same category as JD, DAD, Heraklinos, or Armor Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I still don't think it qualifies as a boss monster... It may be good (really good) but it's not in the same category as JD' date=' DAD, Heraklinos, or Armor Master.[/quote'] It is certainly not just a "good Monarch", in the same sense that Judgment Dragoon is not just a "good Cyber Dragon". As for actually being a "boss monster", I have no interest in debating the definition of such a subjective term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 ^seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm wondering whether Gragonith will see play once some of the other Lightlords are on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm wondering whether Gragonith will see play once some of the other Lightlords are on the list. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rrey Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 JD at 1 and CotLB at 2!!Beckoning still at 3 (not gonna blame this card because for its awesome use in LS)I wanna Mezuki at 1 as well as Brionac because i hate Zombies!!Also want the Summon Priest at 2 because Rescue Cat is at 1!! Anyone thinks about Rekindling because it is awesome with LS and Flamvells in Grave??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Anyone saying to put CotLB on the list is GAH RAEG.It might be a very good card, but it makes them more consistent and a Deck with more skill and less lucksacking. Making them weaker is one thing, but ban Wulf before making them MORE lucksacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm wondering whether Gragonith will see play once some of the other Lightlords are on the list. No. Don't be so sure about that. Gragonith-spam with CotH, Glorious Illusion, Monster Reincarnation and Beckoning Light, though currently outclassed, is still a strong deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'd run Gragonith.Mainly because I don't like anything higher than Rare in my Decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 A prediction: PoG, CED-EotE, and whatever other banned cards that are reprinted in Duelist Pack Kaiba get their one banlist Limited in order to get more sales. The game would fall into complete Chaos! :3 [/badpun] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I've been wondering when they were gonna make a new List for sometime now. I wonder what will come up in the new list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I've been wondering when they were gonna make a new List for sometime now. New lists come in September and March every year. >____< Things that get hit are only ever the fault of the current meta in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Who wants to place a bet on the fact that YCM-kun will disaggree with the banlist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Who wants to place a bet on the fact that YCM-kun will disaggree with the banlist? It's no fun when we already know that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnus Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I've been wondering when they were gonna make a new List for sometime now. New lists come in September and March every year. >____< Things that get hit are only ever the fault of the current meta in Japan. Well, I feel like an idiot. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Who wants to place a bet on the fact that YCM-kun will disaggree with the banlist? Pretty much everyone but me will - I'll mostly see the positives and the new Decktypes which become playable from things moving up, rather than just "ZOMG SHOULD BE LOWER X IS BROKEN." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Konami Worker 1: So...which decks are we going to piss off this format?Konami Worker 2: Dunno...What about all of them?Konami Worker 1: Not all of them! I still like Lightsworn!Konami Worker 2: And I've still got a DARK fetish, so I want to keep Zombies and Blackwings alive.Konami Worker 1: Well then. Let's NOT listen to smart people who are sick of them and do something stupid!Konami Worker 2: Great idea!Konami Worker 1: DERP DERP DERP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Konami Worker 1: So...which decks are we going to piss off this format?Konami Worker 2: Dunno...What about all of them?Konami Worker 1: Not all of them! I still like Lightsworn!Konami Worker 2: And I've still got a DARK fetish' date=' so I want to keep Zombies and Blackwings alive.Konami Worker 1: Well then. Let's NOT listen to smart people who are sick of them and do something stupid!Konami Worker 2: Great idea!Konami Worker 1: DERP DERP DERP[/quote'] And this occurs every six months. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboss144 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Konami Worker 1: So...which decks are we going to piss off this format?Konami Worker 2: Dunno...What about all of them?Konami Worker 1: Not all of them! I still like Lightsworn!Konami Worker 2: And I've still got a DARK fetish' date=' so I want to keep Zombies and Blackwings alive.Konami Worker 1: Well then. Let's NOT listen to smart people who are sick of them and do something stupid!Konami Worker 2: Great idea!Konami Worker 1: DERP DERP DERP[/quote'] And this occurs every six months. D: Oh, it gets worse, there's also this conversation... Konami Worker 1: Hey, my tea leaves said we should switch the generic revival card again. Konami Worker 2: But we just changed it last format and it didn't make a difference! Konami Worker 1: Yeah, but we always do it when this happens, and it's not like the players are getting annoyed or anything. Konami Worker 2: Oh good call, just for giggles, let's change it from Monster Reborn to Call of the haunted, even though both are totally broken. Konami Worker 1: Well, It's not like we can make an un-broken generic revival card or anything... Konami Worker 2: True, let's just keep switching between the original 3 revival cards to piss people off! Konami Worker 1: Yeah, and let's not ban JD because it's the bosses favorite card!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Shire > Gragonith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboss144 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Shire > Gragonith I prefer Grag unless I'm running Kristia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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