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This movie is trash. Even it if does an amazing job and stays true to the source (which, seeing some of the sheet Shamafag has already implemented, it won't), it will still be trash because of the casting. Let's take a show that is based all around Asian culture, including so far as to have some of the characters (ie Aang) based off of ACTUAL ASIAN PEOPLE, and then cast whites in all the protagonist roles. But we're not racist. We'll put dark colored people as the genocidal villains. Problem solved, no?

 

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This movie is trash. Even it if does an amazing job and stays true to the source (which' date=' seeing some of the s*** Shamafag has already implemented, it won't), it will still be trash because of the casting. Let's take a show that is based all around Asian culture, including so far as to have some of the characters (ie Aang) based off of ACTUAL ASIAN PEOPLE, and then cast whites in all the protagonist roles. But we're not racist. We'll put dark colored people as the genocidal villains. Problem solved, no?

 

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A troll will be a troll. If it does an amazing job and stays true to the source, then the casting wouldn't be an issue. Don't bash the movie without seeing it first.

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^^ Exactly!! If it stays true to the source, who cares about what ethinicty the actors are? If the actors do their job and act, everything will be fine.

 

Samuel L. Jackson proves that ethnicity doesn't matter when casting a character from a source of cartooning/animation. Wasn't Nick Fury suppose to be caucasian?

 

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Thought so.

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This movie is trash. Even it if does an amazing job and stays true to the source (which' date=' seeing some of the s*** Shamafag has already implemented, it won't), it will still be trash because of the casting. Let's take a show that is based all around Asian culture, including so far as to have some of the characters (ie Aang) based off of ACTUAL ASIAN PEOPLE, and then cast whites in all the protagonist roles. But we're not racist. We'll put dark colored people as the genocidal villains. Problem solved, no?

 

racebending.com

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A troll will be a troll. If it does an amazing job and stays true to the source, then the casting wouldn't be an issue. Don't bash the movie without seeing it first.

 

It doesn't look like it will. They've already dumped Sifu Kisu (the guy who helped create the unique martial arts styles used for bending), as well as scrapping all the authentic chinese calligraphy for meaningless gibberish.

 

^^ Exactly!! If it stays true to the source' date=' who cares about what ethinicty the actors are? If the actors do their job and act, everything will be fine.

 

Samuel L. Jackson proves that ethnicity doesn't matter when casting a character from a source of cartooning/animation. Wasn't Nick Fury suppose to be caucasian?

 

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Thought so.

 

Yes, Nick Fury is black. This was a change made WITHIN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE. Thus, it was still staying to source. And the "oh, as long as they can act" line is bullshit. They have the guy from twilight, plus two complete unknowns, and they had originally planned for Zuko, possibly the most complex character in the series, to be played by ZAC EFFRON.

 

Race is important. Count how many popular super heroes aren't white. Count them. Now count how many of those non-whites are asian. What's it like, to be an asian child in America, growing up and seeing nothing but whites as heroes? And now, suddenly, there is this asian hero, proving to them that they don't have to be white to be the good guy. And then Shamalyan takes that away from them.

 

Also, their ethnicity is a part of the source. So they have already deviated in that aspect, as well as many others. This looks like a stinker.

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Jackson has played Fury for a whole...what, 30 seconds? Yeah, that really proves he can pull off the role.

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I can't wait for this movie. =D

 

i wonder if it's going to be an efic pail as Dragonball Evolution

 

TBQH' date=' that movie only fails when it's compared to it's anime/manga counterpart. As a whole it was a decent movie. =/

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The only good characters were Chi-Chi and Master Roshi. Practically everything else was fail.

 

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Yes' date=' Nick Fury is black. [i']This was a change made WITHIN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE[/i]. Thus, it was still staying to source. And the "oh, as long as they can act" line is bullshit. They have the guy from twilight, plus two complete unknowns, and they had originally planned for Zuko, possibly the most complex character in the series, to be played by ZAC EFFRON.

 

Ok, they did change Nick Fury. Your right. I'll take the L on that one. I can't bring a case on the twilight guy, but you can't judge two unknown people..especially if they're unknown. Don't judge books on the cover. The guy playing Zuko currently is a critically acclaimed actor... he's going to do so terrible. And they originally wanted Jesse McCartney, not Zac Effron. I don't know about his acting, but he does decent voice acting for Kingdom Hearts.

 

Race is important. Count how many popular super heroes aren't white. Count them. Now count how many of those non-whites are asian. What's it like' date=' to be an asian child in America, growing up and seeing nothing but whites as heroes? And now, suddenly, there is this asian hero, proving to them that they don't have to be white to be the good guy. And then Shamalyan takes that away from them.[/quote']

 

Okay this personally to me, but Aang looks caucasian to me. Everyone else looks asain except Aang, but that's just me personally WIT. I'm not asian, I"m black. And if they made a Green Lantern (John Stewart) white, I wouldn't mind...completely retarded, but everyone know Black Lantern so, they'll think he's Hal Jordan. (They Fickle of course) If they made a Static movie and cast the lead as a white guy, I would stand up and applaud simply because I think it would turn out better. If they don't make the Earthbenders in The TLA movie black, I wouldn't care, because I know The Boulder is a parody of The Rock (Half-Black) and that Toph is a black person deep down. lol Anyway, for what I'm working with, I wouldn't mind it at all. Now if they don't do their job and act, then I'm pissed. (Except for actiony films like Tekken where there is literally no need for acting, since VG storyline are jumbled up anyway.) So I can imagine, and If they still bring justice to the character, then I'll be okay with it.

 

 

Also' date=' their ethnicity is [i']a part[/i] of the source. So they have already deviated in that aspect, as well as many others. This looks like a stinker.

 

Okay, opnion is opnion, can't chnage that. I'm still being optmistic about it.

 

One more thing:

 

Jackson has played Fury for a whole...what' date=' 30 seconds? Yeah, that really proves he can pull off the role.

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If you've seen enough films with Samuel L. Jackson, you would know that he can play a Nick Fury-esque character. (Lakeview Terrace, Pulp Fiction, Unbreakable, Shaft)

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Yes' date=' Nick Fury is black. [i']This was a change made WITHIN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE[/i]. Thus, it was still staying to source. And the "oh, as long as they can act" line is bullshit. They have the guy from twilight, plus two complete unknowns, and they had originally planned for Zuko, possibly the most complex character in the series, to be played by ZAC EFFRON.

 

Ok, they did change Nick Fury. Your right. I'll take the L on that one. I can't bring a case on the twilight guy, but you can't judge two unknown people..especially if they're unknown. Don't judge books on the cover. The guy playing Zuko currently is a critically acclaimed actor... he's going to do so terrible. And they originally wanted Jesse McCartney, not Zac Effron. I don't know about his acting, but he does decent voice acting for Kingdom Hearts.

 

Sorry, I get my blonde pretty-boys mixed up sometimes. The other big issue is that McCartney and twilight boy were both personally asked to play their parts, they didn't have to audition. Voice acting is completely different from live action acting as well, so I don't care how decent McCartney's VA is.

 

Race is important. Count how many popular super heroes aren't white. Count them. Now count how many of those non-whites are asian. What's it like' date=' to be an asian child in America, growing up and seeing nothing but whites as heroes? And now, suddenly, there is this asian hero, proving to them that they don't have to be white to be the good guy. And then Shamalyan takes that away from them.[/quote']

 

Okay this personally to me, but Aang looks caucasian to me. Everyone else looks asain except Aang, but that's just me personally WIT. I'm not asian, I"m black. And if they made a Green Lantern (John Stewart) white, I wouldn't mind...completely retarded, but everyone know Black Lantern so, they'll think he's Hal Jordan. (They Fickle of course) If they made a Static movie and cast the lead as a white guy, I would stand up and applaud simply because I think it would turn out better. If they don't make the Earthbenders in The TLA movie black, I wouldn't care, because I know The Boulder is a parody of The Rock (Half-Black) and that Toph is a black person deep down. lol Anyway, for what I'm working with, I wouldn't mind it at all. Now if they don't do their job and act, then I'm pissed. (Except for actiony films like Tekken where there is literally no need for acting, since VG storyline are jumbled up anyway.) So I can imagine, and If they still bring justice to the character, then I'll be okay with it.

 

I hear plenty of people whine "well, Aang looks white!!!1!"

First, read this: http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html

 

Second, there are asians out there with larger eyes, and paler skin. Not all asians have dark skin tones and super slanted eyes.

 

Third, it's all about context. I present you Lord of the Rings: They had an all white cast. Is Peter Jackson a racist? No, Tolkien did extensive

research on Anglo-Saxon culture, and based his fictional world around that. Thus, it wouldn't make any sense for black/asian/hispanics to be in it.

 

Another example would be Harry Potter. Nowhere in any of the books does Rowling ever specifically say Harry is white. Yet it is commonly accepted that he is? Why? Context. London is predominately white, and "Potter" is a very caucasian sounding name.

 

You also completely ignore my other point, that is, that children of color have very few role models to look up to. This is more than just what actors are playing, this is the systematic denial of Asian actors lead protagonist roles, which has extended throughout Hollywood's history. Very rarely as it is, do we see a movie that would feature an Asian lead. And when they do come along, the role is given to a white actor ("21", "DBE").

 

Also' date=' their ethnicity is [i']a part[/i] of the source. So they have already deviated in that aspect, as well as many others. This looks like a stinker.

 

Okay, opnion is opnion, can't chnage that. I'm still being optmistic about it.

 

One more thing:

 

Jackson has played Fury for a whole...what' date=' 30 seconds? Yeah, that really proves he can pull off the role.

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If you've seen enough films with Samuel L. Jackson, you would know that he can play a Nick Fury-esque character. (Lakeview Terrace, Pulp Fiction, Unbreakable, Shaft)

 

I was simply pointing out that Jackson hasn't even actually played his role yet, and you are already praising him for a job well done.

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Sorry' date=' I get my blonde pretty-boys mixed up sometimes. The other big issue is that McCartney and twilight boy were both [u']personally asked[/u] to play their parts, they didn't have to audition. Voice acting is completely different from live action acting as well, so I don't care how decent McCartney's VA is.

 

Your right, VA is different from acting, but not entirely. Voiceacting is hard work. Not as hard as acting, but they probably took it into account that it's not easy and that he did a decent job. It was very wrong that they don't have to audition and I completely agree with you on that. If you don't have enough experience playing that type of character, you should be asked to audition. Neither had experience with such characters am I right? We both agree on that.

 

I hear plenty of people whine "well' date=' Aang looks white!!!1!"

First, read this: http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html[/quote']

 

Okay I've read that and I have to say that it is well-written and kudos to the dude who wrote it, he is very knowledgeable. But doesn't it say, they are assumed to be a specific ethinicity unless stated otherwise? It was never stated that Aang was asian or caucasian. Now that I think about it, races from Avatar are based on where they came from in that universe. (Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, Air Temples, and Water Tribe, that's how their races are stated.) We are both wrong as to label Aang as Caucasian or Asian. He is an Air Nomad, period.

Was Avatar released in Asia(Primarily, Japan and China I'm speaking of.)? I'm not sure? Maybe they think he's asian. For us over here in America, we emphasis and assume race on accents and skin color. Over here here he sounds Caucasian and primarily looks Caucasian. (That sentence was used loosely btw.) Either way, he is neither.

 

Second' date=' there are asians out there with larger eyes, and paler skin. Not all asians have dark skin tones and super slanted eyes.

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Your right, I was wrong to stereotype on that and I apologize completely.

 

Third' date=' it's all about context. I present you Lord of the Rings: They had an all white cast. Is Peter Jackson a racist? No, Tolkien did [u']extensive[/u]

research on Anglo-Saxon culture, and based his fictional world around that. Thus, it wouldn't make any sense for black/asian/hispanics to be in it.

 

True, Shamaylan was stupid to not do research. Even though heavily influenced by Asia, it is not asia and that shouldn't stop him from casting whoever. There are plenty of different looking people in Avatar thjough. But I digress, You are right in this as well. Simply put, Shamaylan was retarded and The creators of Avatar have a sort of creative rights in a contract form of sorts? (I'm not sure, but if they did, they could have stopped him from such casting.) If not, then it's all on Shamaylan.

 

Another example would be Harry Potter. Nowhere in any of the books does Rowling ever specifically say Harry is white. Yet it is commonly accepted that he is? Why? Context. London is predominately white' date=' and "Potter" is a very caucasian sounding name.[/quote']

 

True as well.

 

You also completely ignore my other point' date=' that is, that children of color have very few role models to look up to. This is more than just what actors are playing, this is the systematic denial of Asian actors lead protagonist roles, which has extended throughout Hollywood's history. Very rarely as it is, do we see a movie that would feature an Asian lead. And when they do come along, the role is given to a white actor ("21", "DBE").[/i']

 

It wasn't intentional to ignore, I'm sorry. But that is a "We all know that, already" when it comes to children of color such as us with limited role models. Your parents could be your role model, your teachers could be your role model, you should be your own model as well though. But that's just me talking because I've got a good going life, I've graduated from HS already so...I'm kicking back for a while. I've had good caucasian models and black models and I turned out fine.

No stereotyping included, but what about Jackie Chan? He is an actor. (I will not count Jet Li or Tony Jaa as they don't seem to actually act to me.) He seems to be the upstanding citizen for Asians to look up to.

Bruce Lee was apparently a work-hard guy, am I right?

For females there's Lucy Liu, Ziyi Zhang and such.

I'm sorry that the list of males are action stars but blame america and not me for such things. I was just listing that they seemed to look like they were raised right and they seem to be apparently good role models.

Your right, there aren't enough Asian actors and we need more. Maybe you'll be one and show everyone how it's done?

 

I was simply pointing out that Jackson hasn't even actually played his role yet' date=' and you are already praising him for a job well done.[/i']

 

As I said in first quote above, if you have the experience, most likely, your gonna get the job done. It's safe to assume such. Wrong, but safe to say.

 

Your a great and strong debater dude. I've actually learned something today, I applaud you and will give you Rep to come your way. Now respond to my post so I can learn more and hopefully change my viewpoints on somethings.

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Sorry' date=' I get my blonde pretty-boys mixed up sometimes. The other big issue is that McCartney and twilight boy were both [u']personally asked[/u] to play their parts, they didn't have to audition. Voice acting is completely different from live action acting as well, so I don't care how decent McCartney's VA is.

 

Your right, VA is different from acting, but not entirely. Voiceacting is hard work. Not as hard as acting, but they probably took it into account that it's not easy and that he did a decent job. It was very wrong that they don't have to audition and I completely agree with you on that. If you don't have enough experience playing that type of character, you should be asked to audition. Neither had experience with such characters am I right? We both agree on that.

 

I hear plenty of people whine "well' date=' Aang looks white!!!1!"

First, read this: http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html[/quote']

 

Okay I've read that and I have to say that it is well-written and kudos to the dude who wrote it, he is very knowledgeable. But doesn't it say, they are assumed to be a specific ethinicity unless stated otherwise? It was never stated that Aang was asian or caucasian. Now that I think about it, races from Avatar are based on where they came from in that universe. (Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, Air Temples, and Water Tribe, that's how their races are stated.) We are both wrong as to label Aang as Caucasian or Asian. He is an Air Nomad, period.

Was Avatar released in Asia(Primarily, Japan and China I'm speaking of.)? I'm not sure? Maybe they think he's asian. For us over here in America, we emphasis and assume race on accents and skin color. Over here here he sounds Caucasian and primarily looks Caucasian. (That sentence was used loosely btw.) Either way, he is neither.

 

I refer you back to my LOTR example. Middle Earth is a fake world as well, yet it is inferred that the characters are white based on the context of the story (the heavy anglo-saxon culture influence). As such, in the fantastical world of Avatar, it can also be inferred that Aang is supposed to be of Asianistic decent (such cultural marks can include his outfit; based off of Tiebetian monks, the entire philosophy in Avatar; including such things as reincarnation, and even some of their names; ie Suki and Fei Long...Toph's real name as well, although that escapes me at the moment.

 

Second' date=' there are asians out there with larger eyes, and paler skin. Not all asians have dark skin tones and super slanted eyes.

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Your right, I was wrong to stereotype on that and I apologize completely.

 

Third' date=' it's all about context. I present you Lord of the Rings: They had an all white cast. Is Peter Jackson a racist? No, Tolkien did [u']extensive[/u]

research on Anglo-Saxon culture, and based his fictional world around that. Thus, it wouldn't make any sense for black/asian/hispanics to be in it.

 

True, Shamaylan was stupid to not do research. Even though heavily influenced by Asia, it is not asia and that shouldn't stop him from casting whoever. There are plenty of different looking people in Avatar thjough. But I digress, You are right in this as well. Simply put, Shamaylan was retarded and The creators of Avatar have a sort of creative rights in a contract form of sorts? (I'm not sure, but if they did, they could have stopped him from such casting.) If not, then it's all on Shamaylan.

 

Unfortunately, there are contracts preventing the creators from actually speaking out against the movie. But they haven't said anything positive about it either, and have essentially promised that they have nothing to do with this film.

 

Another example would be Harry Potter. Nowhere in any of the books does Rowling ever specifically say Harry is white. Yet it is commonly accepted that he is? Why? Context. London is predominately white' date=' and "Potter" is a very caucasian sounding name.[/quote']

 

True as well.

 

You also completely ignore my other point' date=' that is, that children of color have very few role models to look up to. This is more than just what actors are playing, this is the systematic denial of Asian actors lead protagonist roles, which has extended throughout Hollywood's history. Very rarely as it is, do we see a movie that would feature an Asian lead. And when they do come along, the role is given to a white actor ("21", "DBE").[/i']

 

It wasn't intentional to ignore, I'm sorry. But that is a "We all know that, already" when it comes to children of color such as us with limited role models. Your parents could be your role model, your teachers could be your role model, you should be your own model as well though. But that's just me talking because I've got a good going life, I've graduated from HS already so...I'm kicking back for a while. I've had good caucasian models and black models and I turned out fine.

No stereotyping included, but what about Jackie Chan? He is an actor. (I will not count Jet Li or Tony Jaa as they don't seem to actually act to me.) He seems to be the upstanding citizen for Asians to look up to.

Bruce Lee was apparently a work-hard guy, am I right?

For females there's Lucy Liu, Ziyi Zhang and such.

I'm sorry that the list of males are action stars but blame america and not me for such things. I was just listing that they seemed to look like they were raised right and they seem to be apparently good role models.

Your right, there aren't enough Asian actors and we need more. Maybe you'll be one and show everyone how it's done?

 

Part of the problem with actors like Jackie Chan (whom I love), is that they still get stereotyped. You want to be an Asian actor? You better either know martial arts or look really geeky, because those are the only roles you're ever going to get. And even with "action star" type roles, you'll notice that the Asian male is still very demasculinated. Very rarely will you see the asian "get the girl". In fact, in "Romeo Must Die", Jet Li was originally supposed to kiss the girl, but they rewrote it to make it a platonic relationship. A modern retelling of Romeo and Juliet where the guy didn't get the girl. Because he was asian.

 

As for Bruce Lee, he's influential to be sure. But even on his own television show (The Green Hornet), he was shoved to the role of "attack dog", only allowed to fight when the white man commanded. Not to mention, the movie "Kung Fu", which was originally written specifically for Bruce Lee, was then given to David Carrigdan (sp?), a white actor.

 

I was simply pointing out that Jackson hasn't even actually played his role yet' date=' and you are already praising him for a job well done.[/i']

 

As I said in first quote above, if you have the experience, most likely, your gonna get the job done. It's safe to assume such. Wrong, but safe to say.

 

Your a great and strong debater dude. I've actually learned something today, I applaud you and will give you Rep to come your way. Now respond to my post so I can learn more and hopefully change my viewpoints on somethings.

 

Haha, thanks. I've done a lot of research on this topic....

Also, if you're bored, you might want to take a look at the documentary "The Slanted Screen". It's goes over how male-Asian actors have been treated in Hollywood from the silent film era to present, featuring interviews with almost every prominent Asian-American actor (including the now-deceased Mako).

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I thought the 4-part saga known as Sozin's comet would be the end of it. What will the story be for this movie?

 

It's live action dude.

 

Oh' date=' Like Ben 10 Race against Time and Ben 10 Alien Force Alien Swarm. I wonder what actors will play who?

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Complete unknown Noah Ringer will play Aang. Nicola something-or-other, the really pale girl will play Katara.

 

Jackson (Jason? Something) Ratheborn (of Twilight) will play "Soak-kah", as he pronounces it.

 

Dev Patel (Slumdog) will play Zuko.

 

That guy who played the terrorist in Ironman is to play Iroh, I believe.

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