Toffee. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I sence a possible Counter-Chaos deck[align=center]If the activation of a card your Opponent controls is negated' date=' you can Special Summon this card from your hand.[/quote'][/align] I like the fact how it has 2200ATK ;)Its effect looks interesting, seeing as how it isnt limited to Counter Traps. Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I like this. Good with Bribe/Solemn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 What decks do enough negating by effects other than Counter Traps to make this not only worth running but also worth running over Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord? Nothing is coming to mind. Also, if I'm reading this correctly, this doesn't worth with blocked Normal Summons or blocked Special Summons by Summon Monster Effects. That means that, if you Solemn a Judgment Dragoon or do something similar, this has to stay in your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff! Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Stardust, yo. Stardust Assault is where it's at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yes. A counter fairy deck will luv this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 What decks do enough negating by effects other than Counter Traps to make this not only worth running but also worth running over Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord? Nothing is coming to mind.The effect of it doesnt require you to use Counter Traps. You simply have to negate the activation of something. Stardust Dragon would be lulz with this.And I'm pretty sure if your Opponent activated a card effect, and then you chained Forbidden Challace to it, thus negating it, I would assume you can Special Summon this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 What decks do enough negating by effects other than Counter Traps to make this not only worth running but also worth running over Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord? Nothing is coming to mind.The effect of it doesnt require you to use Counter Traps. You simply have to negate the activation of something. That's why I specifically said "negating by effects other than Counter Traps". If all your negating is done by Counter Traps' date=' you use Van'Dalgyon instead of this. And even Van'Dalgyon is rather situational, despite being way bigger, having extra bonus effects, and being Level 8 for Trade-In. Stardust Dragon would be lulz with this. Eh, still seems less than worthwhile. And I'm pretty sure if your Opponent activated a card effect' date=' and then you chained Forbidden Challace to it, thus negating it, I would assume you can Special Summon this.[/quote'] Doesn't work. This card only works if you negate the effect's activation. Forbidden Chalice, Skill Drain, and so on do not negate the effect's activation; they just negate the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 What decks do enough negating by effects other than Counter Traps to make this not only worth running but also worth running over Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord? Nothing is coming to mind.The effect of it doesnt require you to use Counter Traps. You simply have to negate the activation of something. That's why I specifically said "negating by effects other than Counter Traps". If all your negating is done by Counter Traps' date=' you use Van'Dalgyon instead of this. And even Van'Dalgyon is rather situational, despite being way bigger, having extra bonus effects, and being Level 8 for Trade-In. Stardust Dragon would be lulz with this. Eh, still seems less than worthwhile. And I'm pretty sure if your Opponent activated a card effect' date=' and then you chained Forbidden Challace to it, thus negating it, I would assume you can Special Summon this.[/quote'] Doesn't work. This card only works if you negate the effect's activation. Forbidden Chalice, Skill Drain, and so on do not negate the effect's activation; they just negate the effect. Ehhh, thats true.I wonder if you can stack this card's effect o_o Either that, or its always nice to have more Vandalgyon-esque effects ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lawless Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Runnable in Genex if you main 3 SDD, or beter yet, SDD/AM. Pitch SDD/AM to stop something,grab one of these for a turn to block any attempt at resistance :3 Dark too.I wanna see what Ally Genex Accel does...first Accel synchro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So I can summon it when Darius summons a glad beast with a trigger effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So I can summon it when Darius summons a glad beast with a trigger effect? I don't think so. Darius just says the monster's effect is negated, while this requires an activation to occur and be negated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 If you summon Heraklinos, this would be fun... but if you've gotten to the point you can do that, this is totally unnecessary and actually hinders you by reducing your hand size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Flame Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well, it may be worse than Van'Dalygon and voltanis, but it still is useful because it doesn't require a counter trap, just any negation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff! Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Plus, it's Lv6 so can be used as a replacemant for Mali in Synchro/Assault decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Plus' date=' it's Lv6 so can be used as a replacemant for Mali in Synchro/Assault decks.[/quote'] Sure looks Level 5 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So I can summon it when Darius summons a glad beast with a trigger effect? I don't think so. Darius just says the monster's effect is negated' date=' while this requires an activation to occur and be negated.[/quote'] If darius summons a murmillo or bestiari then their effects still activate. If murmillo targets spirit reaper then spirit reper's effect kills itself afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well' date=' it may be worse than Van'Dalygon and voltanis, but it still is useful because it doesn't require a counter trap, just any negation.[/quote'] According to lolYVD, the only cards that have 'negate the activation' on them that aren't counter traps are: Ancient City - Rainbow RuinsA-Team Trap Disposal UnitBig Shield GardnaBy Order of the EmperorDark PaladinFushioh RichieGemini ImpsGladiator Beast HeraklinosGravekeepers WatcherGreat DezardHerald of Green/Orange/Purple LightHorus LV8Core Chimera Guardian Majestic Star DragonMaryokutaiMid Shield GardnaMy Body as a ShieldPhoenix GearfriedRoyal CommandRoyal SurrenderSorceror of Dark MagicStardust DragonStardust Dragon/Assault ModeThought Ruler ArchfiendTytannial, Princess of CameliasWhite Night Dragon Exact playability of each card is dependent on the reader. Looks like it might have a chance at being playable in Glads (who have 3x Chariot and 3x Heraklinos), but I'd think Glads would have better cards to main before they became desperate enough to run this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So I can summon it when Darius summons a glad beast with a trigger effect? I don't think so. Darius just says the monster's effect is negated' date=' while this requires an activation to occur and be negated.[/quote'] If darius summons a murmillo or bestiari then their effects still activate. If murmillo targets spirit reaper then spirit reper's effect kills itself afterward. Yes, but the activation of their effect is not negated; only the effect is negated. This seems the same as the Forbidden Chalice issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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