metalflygon08 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Gamble it's the most epic draw engine, highly situational, and 50% chance you skip your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroutTrigger Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 i don't see the Quick-Play Spell Card Reload on the list. That's a -1 that shuffles your hand into the deck... how is that a draw engine? well in the way i see it, Reload is more of a savior. Imagen having a bad draw and the only card that can help you is Reload, return all the cards of your hand and shuffle the deck and draw the same amount giving you possible a better chance. while in contrast to Graceful Charity draw 3 cards, discard 2 immediately to the graveyard. you pretty much wasted 2 cards to have 1 card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalflygon08 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 or reload could give you most of the cards you just put back, it seems to always be that way on the WC games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 i don't see the Quick-Play Spell Card Reload on the list. That's a -1 that shuffles your hand into the deck... how is that a draw engine? well in the way i see it' date=' Reload is more of a savior. Imagen having a bad draw and the only card that can help you is Reload, return all the cards of your hand and shuffle the deck and draw the same amount giving you possible a better chance. while in contrast to Graceful Charity draw 3 cards, discard 2 immediately to the graveyard. you pretty much wasted 2 cards to have 1 card.[/quote'] Graceful Charity > Reload, especially in DWs If you really want to argue Reload being a draw card, Magical Mallet is better. It's still a -1 but you can keep cards you don't want to get rid of. Reload should have been "Shuffle your entire hand into your deck. Draw cards equal to the amount of cards returned to the deck +1" as that actually would have been a "Reload" :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroutTrigger Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 or reload could give you most of the cards you just put back' date=' it seems to always be that way on the WC games.[/quote'] well as you said, only in games happen that a lot, i agree. however in the real life you can shuffle as much as you want, reducing the chances to get the same cards. i don't see the Quick-Play Spell Card Reload on the list. That's a -1 that shuffles your hand into the deck... how is that a draw engine? well in the way i see it' date=' Reload is more of a savior. Imagen having a bad draw and the only card that can help you is Reload, return all the cards of your hand and shuffle the deck and draw the same amount giving you possible a better chance. while in contrast to Graceful Charity draw 3 cards, discard 2 immediately to the graveyard. you pretty much wasted 2 cards to have 1 card.[/quote'] Graceful Charity > Reload, especially in DWs If you really want to argue Reload being a draw card, Magical Mallet is better. It's still a -1 but you can keep cards you don't want to get rid of. Reload should have been "Shuffle your entire hand into your deck. Draw cards equal to the amount of cards returned to the deck +1" as that actually would have been a "Reload" :S[/b] ok, what is so different from what reload does? you pretty much add the entire hand to the deck then shuffle and draw again the same amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 or reload could give you most of the cards you just put back' date=' it seems to always be that way on the WC games.[/quote'] well as you said, only in games happen that a lot, i agree. however in the real life you can shuffle as much as you want, reducing the chances to get the same cards. i don't see the Quick-Play Spell Card Reload on the list. That's a -1 that shuffles your hand into the deck... how is that a draw engine? well in the way i see it' date=' Reload is more of a savior. Imagen having a bad draw and the only card that can help you is Reload, return all the cards of your hand and shuffle the deck and draw the same amount giving you possible a better chance. while in contrast to Graceful Charity draw 3 cards, discard 2 immediately to the graveyard. you pretty much wasted 2 cards to have 1 card.[/quote'] Graceful Charity > Reload, especially in DWs If you really want to argue Reload being a draw card, Magical Mallet is better. It's still a -1 but you can keep cards you don't want to get rid of. Reload should have been "Shuffle your entire hand into your deck. Draw cards equal to the amount of cards returned to the deck +1" as that actually would have been a "Reload" :S[/b] ok, what is so different from what reload does? you pretty much add the entire hand to the deck then shuffle and draw again the same amount You get to draw one more card with that effect, so it would be a +0 in card advantage instead of a -1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroutTrigger Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 but then wouldn't that be overpower possible been more useful than Pot of Greed was and getting ban?, it needs a drawback one way or a another. i think the card is fine as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 but then wouldn't that be overpower possible been more useful than Pot of Greed was and getting ban?' date=' it needs a drawback one way or a another. i think the card is fine as it is.[/quote'] I'm not saying it isn't, but it's still a -1 that noone is going to play unless the deck using HotU or the deck is built around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroutTrigger Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 true. but i guess the problem of not getting an extra card is compensated by the fact you could activated in your opponent's turn as well since is a quick-play. but i see where your getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 but then wouldn't that be overpower possible been more useful than Pot of Greed was and getting ban?' date=' it needs a drawback one way or a another. i think the card is fine as it is.[/quote'] Pot of Greed provides a +1 in card advantage without conditions, making it banworthy. The altered Reload is a generic +0 that still requires you to put the cards in your hand back and draw a brand new hand plus 1 card to replace the Reload, making it a bit more difficult to set up combos. Edit: DAZ beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 i don't see the Quick-Play Spell Card Reload on the list. That's a -1 that shuffles your hand into the deck... how is that a draw engine? well in the way i see it' date=' Reload is more of a savior. Imagen having a bad draw and the only card that can help you is Reload, return all the cards of your hand and shuffle the deck and draw the same amount giving you possible a better chance. while in contrast to Graceful Charity draw 3 cards, discard 2 immediately to the graveyard. you pretty much wasted 2 cards to have 1 card.[/quote'] I may be misreading this due to DroutTrigger's terrible typing, but I think he just said that Reload is superior to Graceful Charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Drawing dictates how fast and deadly the deck is. The lower the draw power, the less of a threat it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroutTrigger Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 no no, im saying that reload is more for a dead draw cleaner giving you a better chance to draw again while Graceful Charity is to draw for your hand but never liked the idea to discard 2 cards just to simply gain 1. but true i prefer more Reload since it has save me form dead draws in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Welche Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I would use the "Upstart Goblin" in my anti-heal deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalflygon08 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Upstart is Pro in exodia, and simochi decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Destiny Hero Draw Engine is probably the most reliable. Drawing epically is necessary. Till you find that 1 card that can help you press for OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Drawing' date=' and by extension tutoring, is by far the most important aspect of any competitive deck. If it can't draw fast, it loses faster.[/quote'] Indeed. Just about every Meta Deck i'vew seen has some kind of draw engine in it. Drawing is centrifugal to getting what you need, when you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Drawing' date=' and by extension tutoring, is by far the most important aspect of any competitive deck. If it can't draw fast, it loses faster.[/quote'] Indeed. Just about every Meta Deck i'vew seen has some kind of draw engine in it. Drawing is centrifugal to getting what you need, when you need it. DRAWING IS CENTRIFUGAL YOUR INTELLIGENCE ALSO SUPRISING ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I can't even figure out what word "centrifugal" is suppose to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I can't even figure out what word "centrifugal" is suppose to be... Seems like some sort of portmanteau of "central" and "crucial" that went horribly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroutTrigger Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I can't even figure out what word "centrifugal" is suppose to be... Centrifugal i think is about a process or acting in a direction away from a center or axis. now what does it had to do with drawing cards :|im not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I can't even figure out what word "centrifugal" is suppose to be... Centrifugal i think is about a process or acting in a direction away from a center or axis. now what does it had to do with drawing cards :|im not sure He said "be", not "mean". Centrifugal is obviously supposed to be a different word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolTama Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 [spoiler=What about this guy?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 [spoiler=I would shuffle my hand into my deck!][align=center] You can play only one Supporter card each turn. When you play this card' date=' put it next to your Active Pokémon. When your turn ends, discard this card.[/size'] Shuffle your hand into your deck. Then, draw 4 cards. If any of your Pokémon were Knocked Out during your opponent's last turn, draw 4 more cards. [/align] On a more serious note - it doesn't matter what it takes to draw as long as the requirements or restrictions aren't ridiculous. With stuff like D-Draw, Cyber Valley, and several others - it's worth it. In my IRL, I use One for One -> Cyber Valley -> Dupe to draw. Thins my deck by 4 while I draw 2 and get a Special Summon of a monster that will stop the enemy from hitting me without first using monster destruction or both giving up a Battle Phase and letting me draw one, fairly effective, and pretty nice for a +0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polycarp Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 [spoiler=I would shuffle my hand into my deck!][align=center] You can play only one Supporter card each turn. When you play this card' date=' put it next to your Active Pokémon. When your turn ends, discard this card.[/size'] Shuffle your hand into your deck. Then, draw 4 cards. If any of your Pokémon were Knocked Out during your opponent's last turn, draw 4 more cards. [/align] On a more serious note - it doesn't matter what it takes to draw as long as the requirements or restrictions aren't ridiculous. With stuff like D-Draw, Cyber Valley, and several others - it's worth it. In my IRL, I use One for One -> Cyber Valley -> Dupe to draw. Thins my deck by 4 while I draw 2 and get a Special Summon of a monster that will stop the enemy from hitting me without first using monster destruction or both giving up a Battle Phase and letting me draw one, fairly effective, and pretty nice for a +0. +rep for Poke reference and awesome tip =D I never thought of 141 on Cyber Valley =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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