The White Wolf Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 OK: I've got three ideas for a Yu-Gi-Oh! RP: 1. A distant (and I mean DISTANT' date=' as in the Earth has long since exploded for reasons to be explained in the prequel) future RP where the last descendants of the original Signers have all died, so when the Earthbound Immortals (Not the ones from the anime, the unused ones, and Scarred Nova) awaken, the Legendary Planets (From the GX manga) are called upon by the Crimson Dragon and fused with the six Signer Dragons (Jupiter and Uranus fuse with Crimson himself, and Pluto's not a planet) and are then sent down to stop them 2. An Ancient Egyptian RP starting off with a fairly straightforward introductory arc, then going onto a tournament to decide who deserves the right to be the Pharaoh's next bodyguard, after the last one retired due to old age, and finally an Egypt vs Peru war, with additional arcs to be decided if the RP makes it long enough 3. A sequel to WC09 focusing on the events between the reunification of New Domino and the Infinity Monsters, with a few modifications made due to the presence of a sixth Signer (Lucciano's older, Skiel's more powerful, Placido was scrapped in favor of a more reliable cyborg) and a minor difference in the EI arc (Crow and Clone-to-be-named-later Dueled Greiger and instead of the final battle being between Rex vs. Yusei, Jack, and Crow, it was Rex and Roman vs. Yusei, Jack, Crow, and CTBNL). Which one do you think would work?[/quote']number 3 seems interesting to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Dresden Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 OK, well, here's what I need so far:1. Plot summary (Just subtly weave CTBNL into the Dark Signers arc and set the scene for the introductory arc, which, again, focuses on reconstructing and reuniting New Domino)2. A title (So far, I've got Yu-Gi-Oh!: Infinite Acceleration, merging Stardust Accelerator and the Infinity Monsters)3. A name for the Clone, which I'll take care of since I'll be controlling him.and4. How to deal with the Leo/Luna situation. Should they be a 2-for-1 deal, or should I split them up and have 2 people controlling the twins? If the latter, should I even age Lucciano at all, or should I have a fourth Emperor of Yliaster? If the former, then would Lucciano be Dueling three people at once, or would Leo simply sit it out, despite the fact that he almost defeated Devack on his own, and would probably have won it too, if he wasn't so young and exhausted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
encapturer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 4. How to deal with the Leo/Luna situation. Should they be a 2-for-1 deal' date=' or should I split them up and have 2 people controlling the twins? If the latter, should I even age Lucciano at all, or should I have a fourth Emperor of Yliaster? If the former, then would Lucciano be Dueling three people at once, or would Leo simply sit it out, despite the fact that he almost defeated Devack on his own, and would probably have won it too, if he wasn't so young and exhausted.[/quote']Since it seems like people will be RPing canon characters here, for number 4, either make it 2-for-1, or give Leo a different role in the story. After all, Power tool Dragon looks suspiciously similar to the unknown signer dragon, I'm sure something can be cooked up with just that, even if Leo isn't a signer himself. ******************************************************* As for myself, I'm planning to to do a RP/Strategy RPG hybrid. There will be stats and turn-based map movement, but the result of actions will be affected by how the RPer describes the attack. Generally, only the large-scale battles will be handled this way. Between these encounters there will be normal post-based role playing, which may also affect the character's battle performance (Like Fire Emblem style supports). There is an overarching plot, but the players as a whole will decide how they approach the problems presented to them. It'll be kind of like a simplified tabletop roleplay online... if that made any sense. Just want to gauge the interest in this before I put further work, since I predict there will be much to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legolover09 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I like your idea encapturer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Dresden Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 encapturer: Well, I've already pretty much pegged Leo and Bruno (if he sticks around long enough) as the unofficial 6th and 7th Signers (or 7th and 8th, as the case may be), which is what's going to happen if I split up the characters, Leo and Luna would Tag Duel Lucciano, Yusei and CTBNL would Duel Jose, Crow and Jack would Duel Placido, and Aki would either Duel against the Diablo, with Bruno's help, or would Duel against Bruno after he got corrupted by the 3 Emperors. If I kept that as a 2-for-1 deal, the same basic scenario would play out except one RPer would have control of 2 characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I've got an RP idea. It's not based on anything officially released, rather it's based on a novel I'm writing. How do people like the sound of puzzle based sci fi RP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I've got an RP idea. It's not based on anything officially released' date=' rather it's based on a novel I'm writing. How do people like the sound of puzzle based sci fi RP?[/quote'] I highly doubt you'd get a good amount of people to join. Simply because most people only join anime/life/-insert cliche plot here- RPs. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Remnants Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I've got an RP idea. It's not based on anything officially released' date=' rather it's based on a novel I'm writing. How do people like the sound of puzzle based sci fi RP?[/quote'] I highly doubt you'd get a good amount of people to join. Simply because most people only join anime/life/-insert cliche plot here- RPs. :/ He's right. And puzzle based sci-fi? That's extremely vague. Also, nice tensa zangetsu avi fenrir! Anyways, I've been very bored on this site RP-wise. I'm hoping to find something interesting. Problem Sleuth will only take me so long to finish before I have to come back here hoping for an RP, so I'm hoping someone makes an interesting one soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I've got an RP idea. It's not based on anything officially released' date=' rather it's based on a novel I'm writing. How do people like the sound of puzzle based sci fi RP?[/quote'] I highly doubt you'd get a good amount of people to join. Simply because most people only join anime/life/-insert cliche plot here- RPs. :/ He's right. And puzzle based sci-fi? That's extremely vague. Also, nice tensa zangetsu avi fenrir! Anyways, I've been very bored on this site RP-wise. I'm hoping to find something interesting. Problem Sleuth will only take me so long to finish before I have to come back here hoping for an RP, so I'm hoping someone makes an interesting one soon. Read Homestuck. Now. Puzzle based Sci-Fi would actually be interesting if you pull it off correctly. I mean that applies to most things, but you have a better chance with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Remnants Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I've got an RP idea. It's not based on anything officially released' date=' rather it's based on a novel I'm writing. How do people like the sound of puzzle based sci fi RP?[/quote'] I highly doubt you'd get a good amount of people to join. Simply because most people only join anime/life/-insert cliche plot here- RPs. :/ He's right. And puzzle based sci-fi? That's extremely vague. Also, nice tensa zangetsu avi fenrir! Anyways, I've been very bored on this site RP-wise. I'm hoping to find something interesting. Problem Sleuth will only take me so long to finish before I have to come back here hoping for an RP, so I'm hoping someone makes an interesting one soon. Read Homestuck. Now. Puzzle based Sci-Fi would actually be interesting if you pull it off correctly. I mean that applies to most things, but you have a better chance with this. I have. It's amazing. I'm fully caught up, and I check every 10 minutes or so for updates. I'm addicted. And I knew you would have something to say about MSPA in general, since I found that you made a Homestuck RP long ago when I searched Homestuck in the RP section. Anyways, a Puzzle based Sci-fi could be good, depending on what it is. I can't think of anything interesting enough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
encapturer Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 My previous post. Just updating with more information on how the grid battles will be played out' date=' for those interested. Overview of Combat Mode:During Combat Mode, each player will move their character, then act. The number of spaces you can move is based upon your move stat, which is dependent on what type of armor you wear. When you act, you can do almost anything, though you will most likely use one of your learned attacks or spells. At a certain time every day, I will collect each post, and resolve each command given, and then the enemies will act. After this, the cycle starts again, once again waiting a day to collect player actions. This means that you will have to post once every day during Combat Mode if you don't want to stand still doing nothing. Fortunately, you can post as little as your movement and your action, though fleshing out your actions would be in your favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 And puzzle based sci-fi? That's extremely vague. It's only vague because the whole thing is massive. Not only that, the amount of stuff in the introduction means that I'd might as well post the whole thing into the forum anyway. Basically, the players will have to prevent aliens from doing he Earth in. Yeah, still vague, but only because the players will have to work out what the method is in the game. I want to say more, but I can't without spoiling it. Three types of players; > Observer with below average memory and good shooting skills> Strongman with slightly below average shooting skills and skills in assessment> The brains, with an excellent memory but low strength and physical skills. The puzzles basically mean that certain combinations of the above three will make it easier to solve. You can solve the puzzles without that help, but it won't be as easy, as you won't have as much stuff to draw upon. For example, a massive, stone memory game will require the strongman and the brains to be able to shift the stone and remember the icons, but without a strongman, the game will take longer to do, which is detrimental to a challenge based on time limits. Er, yeah. As for the possible interest due to lack of anime/popular concept, I see what you mean, which is why I asked here first rather than posting a dud thread. Who would be interested? I need at least three participants, one of each character type, but there can be any number of players, it doesn't make a difference to how the game will progress in terms of possible storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Remnants Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 And puzzle based sci-fi? That's extremely vague. It's only vague because the whole thing is massive. Not only that' date=' the amount of stuff in the introduction means that I'd might as well post the whole thing into the forum anyway. Basically, the players will have to prevent aliens from doing he Earth in. Yeah, still vague, but only because the players will have to work out what the method is in the game. I want to say more, but I can't without spoiling it. Three types of players; > Observer with below average memory and good shooting skills> Strongman with slightly below average shooting skills and skills in assessment> The brains, with an excellent memory but low strength and physical skills. The puzzles basically mean that certain combinations of the above three will make it easier to solve. You can solve the puzzles without that help, but it won't be as easy, as you won't have as much stuff to draw upon. For example, a massive, stone memory game will require the strongman and the brains to be able to shift the stone and remember the icons, but without a strongman, the game will take longer to do, which is detrimental to a challenge based on time limits. Er, yeah. As for the possible interest due to lack of anime/popular concept, I see what you mean, which is why I asked here first rather than posting a dud thread. Who would be interested? I need at least three participants, one of each character type, but there can be any number of players, it doesn't make a difference to how the game will progress in terms of possible storylines.[/quote'] I'm sure some people will enjoy it, but I don't think I would. Though at least it's not as vague anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Remnants Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 And puzzle based sci-fi? That's extremely vague. It's only vague because the whole thing is massive. Not only that' date=' the amount of stuff in the introduction means that I'd might as well post the whole thing into the forum anyway. Basically, the players will have to prevent aliens from doing he Earth in. Yeah, still vague, but only because the players will have to work out what the method is in the game. I want to say more, but I can't without spoiling it. Three types of players; > Observer with below average memory and good shooting skills> Strongman with slightly below average shooting skills and skills in assessment> The brains, with an excellent memory but low strength and physical skills. The puzzles basically mean that certain combinations of the above three will make it easier to solve. You can solve the puzzles without that help, but it won't be as easy, as you won't have as much stuff to draw upon. For example, a massive, stone memory game will require the strongman and the brains to be able to shift the stone and remember the icons, but without a strongman, the game will take longer to do, which is detrimental to a challenge based on time limits. Er, yeah. As for the possible interest due to lack of anime/popular concept, I see what you mean, which is why I asked here first rather than posting a dud thread. Who would be interested? I need at least three participants, one of each character type, but there can be any number of players, it doesn't make a difference to how the game will progress in terms of possible storylines.[/quote'] I'm sure some people will enjoy it, but I don't think I would. Though at least it's not as vague anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Fair enough. By the by, a lot of description stuff will be done through PMs, with important sections added to the main thread. For example, when three people enter a room, I'll be sending PM descriptions. The complete description will be added once the team leave the room having accomplished whatever it was they might have needed to do there, be it replace something, or activate something, or whatever. Should I put up the thread or should I wait to see if people are interested here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Fair enough. By the by, a lot of description stuff will be done through PMs, with important sections added to the main thread. For example, when three people enter a room, I'll be sending PM descriptions. The complete description will be added once the team leave the room having accomplished whatever it was they might have needed to do there, be it replace something, or activate something, or whatever. Should I put up the thread or should I wait to see if people are interested here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybread002 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Well when I did my first RP, it was a disaster. There were things that needed to be done, and many more things I needed to add for the plot, and character apps. In the end, the RP was rather successful, but if I did this many changes, it would've interfered with the already accepted applications, that they would needed to change there apps. Basically there were a lot of holes in it. But with a little more work, I think I finally filled those holes. (I just need your opinions on it, that's all) With this being said, I am proud too announce an "Rebooth" to this series. F. FullyA. AutomatedR. Robots E. Equally B. BoostedO. OverallO. Oblivisouly T. Too H. High F.A.R.---R.E.B.O.O.T.H[spoiler=OoC Thread]This is basically the Out of Character (OoC) Thread, and just follow the link to the Thread [spoiler=Plot]The year 2020, a video game developer/ story writter named Erin Farley, created a story where players control Mechs to fight other players, created his fantasy dream, with a game called F.A.R. (Fully Automated Robots). Welcome to the year 2135 A.D. A year of high-technology, clear conciseness, and healthy people. F.A.R., Now a Massive Multiplayer Online game (MMO) has become very popular with the world, where you control your own Mech, and battle against other Players, and their Mechs, via. Internet.But F.A.R. has been attacked by an violent Virus, where it not only disrupted matches between other players, but also caused DATA lost, and corruption to the system. Where it attacked not only the game's CPU, but used it as a home base to attack any other major CPUs across the globe, such as Russia, China, and the U.S. To counter this, the United Nation, or U.N. put a ban on the very popular MMO game. But the owners of the game protested, declaring that they can handle it.Was banned anway, not only because of the very violent attacks from the virus, but also because of an Nuclear bomb threat that the Virus is capable of firing, and they banned it suddenly. With the sudden banned, many players, experienced, and inexperienced alike, were trapped (only their minds though). Now in this hostile enviroment, it is up to the players to possibly stop the virus, save the world. Take advantage of this situation, and become the number one player. Or Just run, and hide, trying too protect them-self, or those around them. But for those are not in the game, they provide technicle serivces. Although the task may seem obvious, the Virus has taken control of other NPCs in F.A.R. posing a threat to other Players, attacking them, and causing permanent DATA lost, but with far more deadlier consequences. Upon the death of a Player, he/she will fall into a coma, and with uncertainties of ever waken up again. But this very same threat also poses a problem to the people trying to save those in the game. Where a sudden mistake could cause a nuclear holocaust, or have a player fall into a coma, and be... Welcome to the year 2135 A.D. A year of death, guiltiness and radiation. [spoiler=Character Application]Before you make a App, on the top, post what character you are, such as Other, Program/A.I. and/or In-Game Player [spoiler=Other]This App is to determine characters outside of F.A.R. Name (In the Real-World):Age:Bio:Personality:Real-World Appearance: (Pics are allowed, and highly encouraged, but post them in an spoiler)Other (What do they do? I.E. Worried parent, military technician?): [spoiler=In-Game Program/A.I. App]This App is to determine is if your character is an A.I. Name:Bio:Personality:In-game Apearance: (Optional. More or less)[spoiler=Do they control a mech?]Occupation (What's it's job in the game?):Mech's Name: (I don't mind names like RX-178, but if you can, please give it an simple name, like Bob, or Steve) Mech's Appearance: (Pics are allowed, and highly encouraged, but post them in an spoiler) Mech's Fighting Style: (This is the Strength, and Weaknesses of the Mech) Mech's Weapon/Gear: [spoiler=In-Game Player App]This app is to determine main characters. Protagonist or Antagonist? Username: (Put your YCM username here) Name (In the Real-World):Username: (Your username in F.A.R., or you can simpley have it the same as your Name)Age:Bio:Personality:Real-World Appearance: (Pics are allowed, and highly encouraged, but post them in an spoiler)In-game Apearance: (Optional. More or less) Partner: (This is too help you control your Mech during a fight. It can be an A.I. or another Player. NPC, or Player Controlled)[spoiler=If you choosed an A.I. Partner]A.I.s Personality:A.I.s Name:A.I.s Perfered Fighting Style:A.I.s Appearance: (They generally in the shape of little orbs. Do a spoiler if you wanna use a pic) [spoiler=Mech/Robot]Mech's Name: (I don't mind names like RX-178, but if you can, please give it an simple name, like Bob, or Steve) Mech's Appearance: (Pics are allowed, and highly encouraged, but post them in an spoiler) Mech's Fighting Style: (This is the Strength, and Weaknesses of the Mech) Mech's Weapon/Gear: [spoiler=Rules & Other Stuff]Rules1.) All Yugiohcardmaker (YCM) rules apply2.) Advance RP Rules3.) If you're going to use a Mech that's from another series, such as Vandread, or Gundamn, it's allowed. As a matter of fact, it's highly encouraged. But if you are going to do it, then at the bottom of your application, post what series is it from.4.) Then the very important rule.5.) HAVE FUN!!!!! It's required. If you don't have fun, then I'll bite your head!!!!! (!!!)6.)Well I don't mind more than 1 app, which is highly encouraged, but please expect them to die at one point in the story. Which explains why I don't mind more than 1 character app. Other Stuff1.) If you're also going to use a pilot from another existing series, like Hibiki Tokai from Vandread, or the Main Character from one of the Gundamn series, you must also post what series he/she's from.2.) If you don't know how to post a image, or how do a spoiler (it's says "Click Here"), Private Message me, and I'll tell you how to do it.3.) If you got questions, send me a message. [spoiler=My Application][spoiler=Jake Sully]Username: Frybread002ProtagonistName: Jake SullyUsername: Nion002Age: 17Bio: When one of his high school friends, Will Farley, introduced him into F.A.R. he didn't had much interest in it, he had better things to do, like training, studying, and praticing for sports. Your basic Jock, and was no where near "geeky". He was always handy when it came to people, and you can always count on him, whether for school work, or for sports. Personality: Before he was introduced into F.A.R. he was always outgoing, and you could rely on him, but ever since then, he became more, and more distant..... Real-World Appearance: Has short black hair, and wears casual clothing, quite dashing actually.[spoiler=In-game Appearance:] Partner: A.I.A.I.s Personality: An hot headed A.I. system that usually hates NionA.I.s Name: Rekki-MaruA.I.s Perfered Fighting Style: Prefers tactics like charging the opponent, and rushing him/her. A.I.s Appearance: About 6 inches round, blue, and only has a face for his appearance. Mech's Name: NirvannaMech's Appearance:NirvannaMech's Fighting Style: An all round Mech, with equally balanced strength, and defense Mech's Weapons/Gear: Heavy Machine-Gun on it’s right arm, has a type of plasma staff, and a headdress for a helmet. [spoiler=Will Farley]ProtagonistUsername: Frybread002 Name: Will FarleyUsername: Frybread002Age:15Bio: He's the great grandson of Erin Farley, the man who created F.A.R. Because of this lineage, he became a MOD to the game, and is an highly talented player, and is quite respected by those who play F.A.R. (but not by Jake, who just see's him as a geek). When the virus hit, it was at the same time he was logged in, and because of his position in F.A.R. he felt it was right for him to atleast keep a sanctation open for other players. He was the one who recomended Jake into F.A.R. He also keeps in touch Jack Rayman,since he's the only realible source of infomation in the Real World.Personality: Highly acknowledge in everything relating to anime, and to technology. Your averge otaku. Quite impulsive to snotty, experience players. But freindly to newbies, and inexperienced players alike.Real-World Appearance: He keeps his hair in a pony tail, wears a badanna, and has casual clothing.[spoiler=In-game Apearance:] It's Solid Snake from the MGS series.Partner: A.I.[spoiler=If you choosed an A.I. Partner]A.I.s Personality: A coward at heart, and stutters a lot (either if he's afriad, or nervous)A.I.s Name: OtaconA.I.s Perfered Fighting Style: A.I.s Appearance: An grey little orb that has glasses. [spoiler=Mech/Robot]Mech's Name: Metal Gear REX[spoiler=Mech's Appearance:] It's Metal Gear Rex from the Metal Gear Solid (MGS) series. Mech's Fighting Style: Metal Gear REXs weapons are highly suited for Mid to Long Range combat, and despite it's very sturdy exterior, REX is very slow, and not ideal for close range. Mech's Weapon/Gear:-Metal Gear REX has near-impenetrable compound armor-A pair of 30 mm vulcan cannons(it's only realible short range weapon)-Anti-tank missiles (it fires from the knees)-A free-electron laser, to protect itself from conventional forces-Its primary weapon, however, is a magnetic railgun capable of delivering an untraceable nuclear warhead anywhere in the world, without the propellant trail or launch flare that gives away the launch position of a traditional ballistic missile. -Because of its sealed, one-man cockpit and thick armor, its sensors are concentrated in a radome on the left side of its body; this radome is very vulnerable to attack, and destroying it effectively blinds the REX unit, forcing the cockpit to open. In this state, the REX is vulnerable as its controls can be easily destroyed (Otacon states that this was intentional, declaring that nothing can be complete without a "character flaw"). [spoiler=Late Application]This is the place where I'll put character apps that have been acepted, but came in late. [spoiler=The Graveyard]This is the place where I'll put characters after they....er....die. I just need your opinions on this, like would you join this RP, or what, that's all. But I don't have plans too actually release this RP just yet (unless people really want too do this though. Oh yeah, don't harass about the title, since I just needed words to go with it, unless someone could come up with a better name REBOOTH.) EDIT Again, this is just too see if anyone would actually join this RP, and don't have plans to actually start this RP (since I'm still working some kinks). And this is by all means, not an advertisement. *Looks at FinalFan* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 FAR SIGHT? Fully Automated Robotics Suits In Generally Hostile Territory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybread002 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Well It's certainly better than mine, but I don't know. Since I wanna stay with REBOOTH. Only because that's what this RP is, a rebooth of something that gone horribly wrong. But aside from that, would this be something you guys would apply for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Bad, bad user! No advertising! Delete that post or I will report you to Rinne! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Dresden Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 TFF, got any suggestions about my WC09 RP a page or two back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiza Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Deleted my post sorry everyone :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Remnants Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Bad' date=' bad user! No advertising! Delete that post or I will report you to Rinne![/quote'] ...I wouldn't suggest that TFF, since deleting posts leads to Page Glitches. And the more posts deleted, the worse it gets. Edit: ...5 seconds too late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Thank you.And that's what causes page glitches? I never knew.Anyways, what RP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiza Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 I really like RPs and I made my own its called Pokemon Darkcrystal: Rise of Arceus and its got a pretty good plot in my oppinion No one has joined and I'm wondering why? :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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