Why is there a need for moderators again?

[Ăɍȼẗîȼ]

Why?

 

We end up having users who thinks they are superior to other users.

 

If something is against the rules, people should stop posting on that thread that's breaking the rules.

 

Then it dies, and there we go.

[Ăɍȼẗîȼ]

Okay. Then let me rephrase that.

 

After which only the people dedicated to YCM remain...

[J-Max]

You what? Be happy that I am relaxed and friendly around all of you :(

[Lewk]

What all the above said.

 

Mods keep peace and harmony in YCM' date=' although sometimes cause a ruckus but that's very rare.

[/quote']

 

In an ideal world, maybe. From what I've seen they just pi** people off and form users who think they are better than everyone else. They go around locking threads for no real reason, like, my first RP was locked 'cause it didn't have a skill level tag in the title, then barely a month later, that same tag thing is being done away with, and everyone is required to use the advanced tag deal...Rinnie, 愚かな非人道的な女の子 = Stupid girl inhumane. anyway, get this: they lock one thread "for being a spam hole." then they unlock another thread, which is an even bigger spam hole, and act like their so friggin superior to everyone else, 'cause they got a fancy title and the power to ban anyone they don't like. 炎龍がばかばか... ...場合にのみ私があなたのためのものと考えていたが... ... = Fire dragon is stupid idiot ... I thought you meant for me and only if ... ...

 

lol

 

lol, indeed. Though without mods, we would exist as a Breeding Ground for Trolls.

[Junk Raver]

I once heard Junk Raver banned a noob because of image credit although the noob didn't even know it. There are people angry at Deja' date=' Shadius, and Umbra for reinforcing the AC.

 

But still, without mods, people will be spamming everywhere.

[/quote']

 

If you must know i banned a noob yes, but because he took MY images and passed them off as his, when i questioned him he said he made the images himself, when i know he clearly didnt as i did, when someone lies like that i have no choice but to banhammer them.

[CinnamonStar]

I know way more non-mod members with a superiority complex than mod members.:?

 

Well usually there are mods on every forum and for a reason, even on a hardcore porn site. Examples that come up on top of my mind: move/delete threads, edit spam out, flood control, porn and malicious links, a few lax rules to make sure people don't post whatever they want - after all the forum has a theme and each section has its focus.

Of course we can never get rid of ALL the spam on a site with so many members but I'd like to see what General would be like if there weren't any mods.>.>

 

Dark_Magician_Girl_=3: We all know you got beef with Rinne but Rinne is not the entire mods team.;)

 

Caine Ghest: O_o ...Right now I'm browsing through the Internet, drinking a cup of hot milk and will soon start with my homework... with "malicious intentions" and "evil conspiracy plots" in mind!0_o

Uh what kind of "sick games" where we consider you "little more than sheep to use for evil goals" could someone have by locking threads and keeping an Internet forum porn-free?:?

IDK how you were as a mod but most of us have lives other than plotting some evil scheme on the Internet.:)

(What mod "destroyed you" through the screen and "decided if you can live or die"??)

 

Granted, some of us are arrogant pricks but usually mods will have teatime talks via PM and help you when needed.

Not to mention that a bunch of potential mod candidates got denied in the staff forum... for being arrogant pricks.XD

[Ragnus]

Moderators are needed to maintain balance on this website. Without them, nearly everyone who comes to this website would be treated like garbage by the jerks who come here, and nothing would be done to defend them.

 

And even if someone did try to protect them, the jerks wouldn't leave, they would just stay and keep on being what they are, telling people rude things and saying how much better they are at everything.

 

That's what Makes Moderators so important. That's how all the forums are kept in balance. I know i've done some mistakes on this website, such as accidently making topics on the wrong part of the website and stuff like that. But it goes against everything I believe in to make fun of someone.

 

And as lame as that sounds, it's all true. Moderators keep everything here in balance.

[DL]

Mods. A popular topic. Are they needed? I say yes. Without them, this would be called the SpamMaker instead. (or something)

 

I believe mods should only be allowed to lock like 2 or 3 threads per day to limit their power. Which would prevent mods abusing their power AND from getting the hate of other members.

 

Or maybe mods can only lock a thread up to a certain amout of time, so as to teach the spam or innapropriate posts ppl a lesson or something (I know you guys can make a good argument here, but it's just an idea to consider)

[Poseidon©]

What all the above said.

 

Mods keep peace and harmony in YCM' date=' although sometimes cause a ruckus but that's very rare.

[/quote']

 

In an ideal world, maybe. From what I've seen they just pi** people off and form users who think they are better than everyone else. They go around locking threads for no real reason, like, my first RP was locked 'cause it didn't have a skill level tag in the title, then barely a month later, that same tag thing is being done away with, and everyone is required to use the advanced tag deal...Rinnie, 愚かな非人道的な女の子 = Stupid girl inhumane. anyway, get this: they lock one thread "for being a spam hole." then they unlock another thread, which is an even bigger spam hole, and act like their so friggin superior to everyone else, 'cause they got a fancy title and the power to ban anyone they don't like. 炎龍がばかばか... ...場合にのみ私があなたのためのものと考えていたが... ... = Fire dragon is stupid idiot ... I thought you meant for me and only if ... ...

 

lol

[Guest Merciful Idiot]

What all the above said.

 

Mods keep peace and harmony in YCM, although sometimes cause a ruckus but that's very rare.

[Guest Merciful Idiot]

Kinda well said, Crabs.

[Jolta]

I once heard Junk Raver banned a noob because of image credit although the noob didn't even know it. There are people angry at Deja' date=' Shadius, and Umbra for reinforcing the AC.

 

But still, without mods, people will be spamming everywhere.

[/quote']

 

Oh, for some reason, I thought Mods were never hit by zeh Hammar.

 

Well, least we could do is report crap, including trolling.

[Caine Ghest]

 

 

And even if someone did try to protect them' date=' the jerks wouldn't leave, they would just stay and keep on being what they are, telling people rude things and saying how much better they are at everything.[/b']

 

 

You know why that is allowed to happen, it is because nobody wants to do the right thing, there are mods out there who do the same damn thing and they get away with it because they are mods. The few good mods here do stand up for the people, however the other mods may not do what you said there are some who do nothing about those kinds of people making them just as bad. Users need to stand up for each other, you shouldn't rely on the mods to help you take care of some jerkass, get a group of people together and stand up to the person.

[Silver The Hedgehog]

Because, without them this fourm would be dawn of the dead but with spammers >.>

[Spirit of DMG]

What do you know, this is easier...

Crab Helmet: Let little kids be exposed to the images

Me: its gonna happen, dude, get over it. I have a friend whose been viewing such things since he was 10, I imagine he's a freshman in college now...

 

Crab Helmet: Or suppose someone posts a malicious link that infects the viewer's computer. Again, want to just leave it there and hope the problem magically solves itself? Moderators are necessary, for without them problematic posts cannot be removed.

Me: its called "Flame them until they decide to grow up, place them on your ignore list as you find them, and basically stop looking at threads they make, and ignore everything they do/say so they go into a little corner with the other immature idiots and cry themselves to sleep because they are immature idiots."

 

Crab Helmet: The premise that it is even possible to simply ignore the problems is absolutely and unambiguously false.

Me: your telling us this site is for kids and your saying things like "Premise" and "Unambiguously"?

 

Crab Helmet: I believe the inverse is more true - that members see moderators as being a higher class, whereas the moderators themselves know that the position is about as special as a white house with a white picket fence

Me: there, I gave you an example. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I believe Icy and Hunter are the only ones who really feel like that.

 

Crab Helmet: Your problem seems to be with the rules themselves, not with those who enforce them. Also, maybe your thread wouldn't have been locked if you hadn't been too stupid to actually read the rules in the first place, hmmm?

Me: I'll give you that last part, but let me ask you this: Who is who makes the rules? Seems to me the mods do, hence, it goes back to being a problem with the mods.

 

I hope our little discussion has shed light on where I'm coming from here.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I once heard Junk Raver banned a noob because of image credit although the noob didn't even know it. There are people angry at Deja' date=' Shadius, and Umbra for reinforcing the AC.

 

But still, without mods, people will be spamming everywhere.

[/quote']

 

Oh, for some reason, I thought Mods were never hit by zeh Hammar.

 

Well, least we could do is report crap, including trolling.

 

Agreed.

 

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On-topic: Without mods, everyone would probably start raids/post porn and YCM could end up with another incident like what happened with OMGAKITTY.

[Jolta]

Sh**, OMGAKITTY, I hope we all learnt about that incident.

[Ăɍȼẗîȼ]

Because' date=' without them this fourm would be dawn of the dead but with spammers >.>

[/quote']

 

The forum would die.

 

What all the above said.

 

Mods keep peace and harmony in YCM' date=' although sometimes cause a ruckus but that's very rare.

[/quote']

 

It's not like it was better with moderators.

[CrabHelmet]

This thread is so terrible that I can barely even describe how terrible it is.

 

First! The premise that moderators are unnecessary is absolutely and unambiguously false. Let us suppose that someone posts inappropriate images in General, whether as part of a raid from somewhere like /b/ or as an isolated incident by a lone user. This is not a pure hypothetical; it has happened multiple times in the past. Now, suppose moderators don't exist. What are you going to do about it? Let little kids be exposed to the images until YCMaker notices what's going on? YCMaker, who uses the forums almost as often as he celebrates his birthday? Or suppose someone posts a malicious link that infects the viewer's computer. Again, want to just leave it there and hope the problem magically solves itself? Moderators are necessary, for without them problematic posts cannot be removed.

 

Second! The premise that problems can be solved just by ignoring them is absolutely and unambiguously false. Let us ignore in this instance cases like inappropriate images and malicious links; we shall pretend that they do not exist, and focus instead on the more mundane problems of trolling, spamming, flame wars, and stupidity. The idea of ignoring a problem until its thread just falls off the page simply does not work, for a variety of reasons: a problem post in an otherwise acceptable topic will remain as long as the topic itself remains, so the only options are to tolerate it or to let it die; a problem user, be they spammer, troll, or hopeless moron, can bump their own thread; such a problem user can also then make more threads or post in others' threads; and without any sort of locking or banning system, trolls and spammers would thus be able to flood the forum until the meaningful content is so diluted by pointless posts that the forum is ruined.

 

Third! The premise that it is even possible to simply ignore the problems is absolutely and unambiguously false. The concept behind Do Not Feed The Trolls sounds pretty good in theory, but in practice, getting every member of a forum with literally tens of thousands of kids to unanimously ignore a troll is utterly impossible - and without absolute unanimity, the troll has been fed.

 

As such, moderators are necessary to maintain the forums, and your pitiful excuse for a solution to managing without them is laughable; this truth is both absolute and unambiguous. (Except for the "laughable" part, which is subjective in that it applies only if one finds the nonsense spouted by idiots to be humorous.)

 

Now, let's address some of the complaints levied against the idea of moderators in this thread:

 

1) That moderators lord themselves over the other users and make them second-class citizens posters or something - Eh, no, not really. I believe the inverse is more true - that members see moderators as being a higher class, whereas the moderators themselves know that the position is about as special as something that isn't very special that I would have put here to complete this analogy if I weren't too tired to think of something decidedly un-special. This may be true in some individual cases, but on the whole it is not. (Take me, for example. I am unspeakably arrogant and will definitely inform you that you are a colossal moron, but that has nothing to do with me being a moderator; in fact, I was much worse about that before I became a moderator.)

 

2) That moderators are evil because they locked my RP thread - Your problem seems to be with the rules themselves, not with those who enforce them. Also, maybe your thread wouldn't have been locked if you hadn't been too stupid to actually read the rules in the first place, hmmm?

 

3) That moderators are enacting an evil plot to seize obscene amounts of power and control the destinies of the entire the world and they've already taken over the Illuminati and THEY'RE EVIL I TELL YOU EVIL! - Dude, we lock topics on a forum dedicated to a children's card game. Store managers at McDonald's have infinitely more power than moderators do.

 

That seems to cover everything. Any questions or additional conspiracy theories?

[Cin]

I think the mods have really won this, we just try to keep the place tidy and organised.

 

If you have a problem with the mods, then go somewhere else. Every forum needs mods to keep the peace, it like having a country with no proper rule, now we all know how baddly that ends up. None of us (from the mods I know) have a superiority complex, yea sometimes we may act on emotions, but we're only human at the end of the day. I've seen mods do alot worse that what some people may claim have been done here.

[Caine Ghest]

After only elitist members remain' date=' we will have a [b']society.[/b]

 

You are just promoting Class warfare with this, everyone needs to reach a similar goal here, You have the Elitists fighting the new members who may make a mistake here or there and you go ballistic on them. Ragnus above seems to understand you can't just attack somebody for making a simple mistake. You need to be polite and explain what is wrong with what they did instead of attacking them for something so trivial as posting in the wrong section or forum.

[Ragnus]

That's what I do in the Deck Section of the Forums. Sometimes when people say to others that they have pathetic decks, I simply tell them "your deck is bad, it's just incomplete." or anything similar to that.

 

Even if it is a lie, i'd rather tell people their decks are good instead of bad. Because sometimes, good confidence is all a person needs to make it better.

[Junk Raver]

Why?

 

We end up having users who thinks they are superior to other users.

 

If something is against the rules' date=' people should stop posting on that thread that's breaking the rules.

 

Then it dies, and there we go.

[/quote']

 

You have no F***ing idea how bad these forums would be without us.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

By now, everyone probably remembers what happened and the mods are probably prepared in the case of the next raid

[Caine Ghest]

We should be as close to anarchy as possible without falling into it, that is the only true way to live... The mods consider themselves to be peace keepers, all lies to cover up their true intentions, they are out to destroy us, because in everyone there is a need to have control over someone more than themselves, the ability to decide who lives and dies, the mods consider us little more than sheep they can use as puppets for their sick games... Mods need to be gone away with and allow the users to fight their battles without fear.

 

I know I may sound crazy, but being on both sides can make you that way, I have held power and abused it before, not on here, but elsewhere, and I know just how corrupt power can make someone, so for that reason there are only a very select few who should have the power that mods have, those that work for the people, not their own selfish goals...

[Caine Ghest]

Keep doing what you are doing, you are obviously one of the better people on this site, and try to understand that the mods are not the answer to the well being of the site, it is users like you.