Capitalism vs. Communism

[Shadow Guardian]

Capitalism and Communism it depends wut kind of government a country has, some governments mite not be able to handle capitalism and some governments mite not be able to handle communism well.

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I don't want a free government hand-out. That's one of the reasons I don't support communism. But I also don't support capitalism because it was made for rich people' date=' and there's no denying it. If escaping poverty was as easy as you make it seem, NOBODY would be poor and everyone would be just fine and dandy.[b']The media is made in such a way that people are led to believe there is nothing better than what they're living in, and once a person has lived in such an environment for so long they easily will believe such things.[/b] And as far as government corruption goes, capitalism is no better. Also, just out of curiosity, have YOU ever lived in poverty?

 

Well, if you don't support communism then I've been wasting my time. I never said it was easy to lift yourself out of poverty. I was illustrating that it can be done, and in more ways than just the 2 you mentioned. Also, I've bolded a section of your post to focus a point. Yes, the media does convince people not to strive for improvement and that is one of the main problems. A government cannot run with pure capitalism, but a perfect economic style is capitalism with slight/few socialized institutions such as roads, schools, etc. and laws to prohibit monopolies/trusts.

 

No, I've never lived in poverty, but it doesn't change anything I have said. If someone is in poverty, then they must try much harder than someone like me. They must do this because their parents/guardians didn't. I already expressed that my parents were poor, but went through school to make something of themselves. And, if someone wants to change their situation then they must do the same.

[Willieh]

I don't want a free government hand-out. That's one of the reasons I don't support communism. But I also don't support capitalism because it was made for rich people' date=' and there's no denying it. If escaping poverty was as easy as you make it seem, NOBODY would be poor and everyone would be just fine and dandy.[b']The media is made in such a way that people are led to believe there is nothing better than what they're living in, and once a person has lived in such an environment for so long they easily will believe such things.[/b] And as far as government corruption goes, capitalism is no better. Also, just out of curiosity, have YOU ever lived in poverty?

No, I've never lived in poverty, but it doesn't change anything I have said. If someone is in poverty, then they must try much harder than someone like me. They must do this because their parents/guardians didn't. I already expressed that my parents were poor, but went through school to make something of themselves. And, if someone wants to change their situation then they must do the same.

 

When were your parents poor?

 

If it was the 70s or earlier, they're accomplishments aren't that admirable.

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I don't want a free government hand-out. That's one of the reasons I don't support communism. But I also don't support capitalism because it was made for rich people' date=' and there's no denying it. If escaping poverty was as easy as you make it seem, NOBODY would be poor and everyone would be just fine and dandy.[b']The media is made in such a way that people are led to believe there is nothing better than what they're living in, and once a person has lived in such an environment for so long they easily will believe such things.[/b] And as far as government corruption goes, capitalism is no better. Also, just out of curiosity, have YOU ever lived in poverty?

No, I've never lived in poverty, but it doesn't change anything I have said. If someone is in poverty, then they must try much harder than someone like me. They must do this because their parents/guardians didn't. I already expressed that my parents were poor, but went through school to make something of themselves. And, if someone wants to change their situation then they must do the same.

 

When were your parents poor?

 

If it was the 70s or earlier, their accomplishments aren't that admirable.

 

I've taken the liberty to correct the grammar in your last post as well. You see the contraction "they're" means "they are" which isn't what you meant to say.

 

If you don't intend to debate your point of view, then just quit posting. Attempting to devalue me isn't helping your case. In fact it only proves that you have nothing left to say. If you took the time to look into the school system you would see that many students are going from impoverished families and becoming successful. I know of many myself. There are a multitude of programs set into place to provide higher education for those that don't have the means to provide for themselves. Either way, this debate between the two of us is becoming circular, and boring. Et alors, s'il vous plaît allez à l'essentiel. (So, please get to the point)

[Willieh]

I don't want a free government hand-out. That's one of the reasons I don't support communism. But I also don't support capitalism because it was made for rich people' date=' and there's no denying it. If escaping poverty was as easy as you make it seem, NOBODY would be poor and everyone would be just fine and dandy.[b']The media is made in such a way that people are led to believe there is nothing better than what they're living in, and once a person has lived in such an environment for so long they easily will believe such things.[/b] And as far as government corruption goes, capitalism is no better. Also, just out of curiosity, have YOU ever lived in poverty?

No, I've never lived in poverty, but it doesn't change anything I have said. If someone is in poverty, then they must try much harder than someone like me. They must do this because their parents/guardians didn't. I already expressed that my parents were poor, but went through school to make something of themselves. And, if someone wants to change their situation then they must do the same.

 

When were your parents poor?

 

If it was the 70s or earlier, their accomplishments aren't that admirable.

 

I've taken the liberty to correct the grammar in your last post as well. You see the contraction "they're" means "they are" which isn't what you meant to say.

 

If you don't intend to debate your point of view, then just quit posting. Attempting to devalue me isn't helping your case. In fact it only proves that you have nothing left to say. If you took the time to look into the school system you would see that many students are going from impoverished families and becoming successful. I know of many myself. There are a multitude of programs set into place to provide higher education for those that don't have the means to provide for themselves. Either way, this debate between the two of us is becoming circular, and boring. Et alors, s'il vous plaît allez à l'essentiel. (So, please get to the point)

 

Actually I had a very good reason for asking that. Because poverty isn't the same as it was. And your correction of my grammar is just your attempt at devaluing me; and it's also pretty dumb considering my grammar is near-perfect usually. That was a typo. Regardless, devaluing you isn't what I've attempted to do. It's just that your opinion automatically becomes less supported by the fact that you have no clue what poverty is actually like. You only know what you read and see on TV. But I suppose that's also just me trying to "devalue" yourself.

 

Oh, and you want me to debate my point of view. Maybe I should take a few pictures of my street and the children living on it, then there'll be no REASON to debate my point of view.

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I don't want a free government hand-out. That's one of the reasons I don't support communism. But I also don't support capitalism because it was made for rich people' date=' and there's no denying it. If escaping poverty was as easy as you make it seem, NOBODY would be poor and everyone would be just fine and dandy.[b']The media is made in such a way that people are led to believe there is nothing better than what they're living in, and once a person has lived in such an environment for so long they easily will believe such things.[/b] And as far as government corruption goes, capitalism is no better. Also, just out of curiosity, have YOU ever lived in poverty?

No, I've never lived in poverty, but it doesn't change anything I have said. If someone is in poverty, then they must try much harder than someone like me. They must do this because their parents/guardians didn't. I already expressed that my parents were poor, but went through school to make something of themselves. And, if someone wants to change their situation then they must do the same.

 

When were your parents poor?

 

If it was the 70s or earlier, their accomplishments aren't that admirable.

 

I've taken the liberty to correct the grammar in your last post as well. You see the contraction "they're" means "they are" which isn't what you meant to say.

 

If you don't intend to debate your point of view, then just quit posting. Attempting to devalue me isn't helping your case. In fact it only proves that you have nothing left to say. If you took the time to look into the school system you would see that many students are going from impoverished families and becoming successful. I know of many myself. There are a multitude of programs set into place to provide higher education for those that don't have the means to provide for themselves. Either way, this debate between the two of us is becoming circular, and boring. Et alors, s'il vous plaît allez à l'essentiel. (So, please get to the point)

 

Actually I had a very good reason for asking that. Because poverty isn't the same as it was. And your correction of my grammar is just your attempt at devaluing me; and it's also pretty dumb considering my grammar is near-perfect usually. That was a typo. Regardless, devaluing you isn't what I've attempted to do. It's just that your opinion automatically becomes less supported by the fact that you have no clue what poverty is actually like. You only know what you read and see on TV. But I suppose that's also just me trying to "devalue" yourself.

 

Oh, and you want me to debate my point of view. Maybe I should take a few pictures of my street and the children living on it, then there'll be no REASON to debate my point of view.

 

I live in a small town where poverty is all around me and I have a firsthand glimpse from my family and peers. Many who are born into such things will not get out of it, however some do. Some will do what they must to get an education and be something. As far as the time change, going through school was harder in the past than now. Back then, such scholarship programs didn't exist. Communism isn't the answer to fix poverty. Communism will increase the problem because the forced financial equality will only begin to deplete the existing resources and the country will suffer for it until the country destroys itself or a revolution starts.

[Willieh]

I don't want a free government hand-out. That's one of the reasons I don't support communism. But I also don't support capitalism because it was made for rich people' date=' and there's no denying it. If escaping poverty was as easy as you make it seem, NOBODY would be poor and everyone would be just fine and dandy.[b']The media is made in such a way that people are led to believe there is nothing better than what they're living in, and once a person has lived in such an environment for so long they easily will believe such things.[/b] And as far as government corruption goes, capitalism is no better. Also, just out of curiosity, have YOU ever lived in poverty?

No, I've never lived in poverty, but it doesn't change anything I have said. If someone is in poverty, then they must try much harder than someone like me. They must do this because their parents/guardians didn't. I already expressed that my parents were poor, but went through school to make something of themselves. And, if someone wants to change their situation then they must do the same.

 

When were your parents poor?

 

If it was the 70s or earlier, their accomplishments aren't that admirable.

 

I've taken the liberty to correct the grammar in your last post as well. You see the contraction "they're" means "they are" which isn't what you meant to say.

 

If you don't intend to debate your point of view, then just quit posting. Attempting to devalue me isn't helping your case. In fact it only proves that you have nothing left to say. If you took the time to look into the school system you would see that many students are going from impoverished families and becoming successful. I know of many myself. There are a multitude of programs set into place to provide higher education for those that don't have the means to provide for themselves. Either way, this debate between the two of us is becoming circular, and boring. Et alors, s'il vous plaît allez à l'essentiel. (So, please get to the point)

 

Actually I had a very good reason for asking that. Because poverty isn't the same as it was. And your correction of my grammar is just your attempt at devaluing me; and it's also pretty dumb considering my grammar is near-perfect usually. That was a typo. Regardless, devaluing you isn't what I've attempted to do. It's just that your opinion automatically becomes less supported by the fact that you have no clue what poverty is actually like. You only know what you read and see on TV. But I suppose that's also just me trying to "devalue" yourself.

 

Oh, and you want me to debate my point of view. Maybe I should take a few pictures of my street and the children living on it, then there'll be no REASON to debate my point of view.

 

I live in a small town where poverty is all around me and I have a firsthand glimpse from my family and peers. Many who are born into such things will not get out of it, however some do. Some will do what they must to get an education and be something. As far as the time change, going through school was harder in the past than now. Back then, such scholarship programs didn't exist. Communism isn't the answer to fix poverty. Communism will increase the problem because the forced financial equality will only begin to deplete the existing resources and the country will suffer for it until the country destroys itself or a revolution starts.

 

I wasn't referring to school. And regardless, even you've admitted that few people actually make it out of poverty. So mentioning them would be like... mentioning people who live in a thread about shooting yourself in the head. =\

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I wasn't referring to school. And regardless' date=' even you've admitted that few people actually make it out of poverty. So mentioning them would be like... mentioning people who live in a thread about shooting yourself in the head. =\

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So, what exactly are you proposing we do about poverty?

[Shrekstasy]

Communism. I love the color red.

 

Better red than dead?

[Willieh]

I wasn't referring to school. And regardless' date=' even you've admitted that few people actually make it out of poverty. So mentioning them would be like... mentioning people who live in a thread about shooting yourself in the head. =\

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So, what exactly are you proposing we do about poverty?

 

Cut our defense budget down and spend it on more important things, improve the educational system, economy, etc... Socialize our health care system...

 

There's endless things we could do.

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I wasn't referring to school. And regardless' date=' even you've admitted that few people actually make it out of poverty. So mentioning them would be like... mentioning people who live in a thread about shooting yourself in the head. =\

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So, what exactly are you proposing we do about poverty?

 

Cut our defense budget down and spend it on more important things, improve the educational system, economy, etc... Socialize our health care system...

 

There's endless things we could do.

 

If we cut down our defense we are left venarable. Yes, more money should go to education, and socialized healthcare is an entire other debate. Anyway, this whole thing is boring me now, but it did provide for ephemeral entertainment. До свидания

[Shadow Guardian]

well basicly th only way to have a utopia with everyone living a great life is to have a major decrease in population and a drastic increase in supplies which means genocide and slavery which alot of people went through in the past but to make things fair for everyone america moved to capitalism so i'd rather have capitalism than possibly being killed for no reason or being a slave, anybody agree??

[Shadow Guardian]

capitalism all day!!

[~Shore]

Capitalism. Its horrible, but its inevitable progression towards corruption seems a lot slower.

[Horologia]

Dosvedanie Comrads ^^

 

Capitalism is much better, as told before, if you work hard, you get what you deserve.

[~Shore]

Or you get gyped by a huge corporation....

[Lonk]

Capitalism. It is better to be free than to be a slave.

[~Shore]

Freedom is relative. But its true capitalism generally has more freedom than capitalism. However, just because you're capitalist doesn't mean you're free, and just because you're communist doesn't mean you're a slave.

The problem is that communism isn't practical, and when it is refitted to be more practical it falls apart. As an ideal it sounds great, but it's unrealistic enough that it is too easily corrupted. As a philosophy, it's interesting, though I don't agree with it. As a form of government, it sadly does not work.

[Davok]

Eh. Communism on a smaller scale is possible and will probably be quite productive, but getting it to work on a larger scale is... difficult to say the least. [/understatement]

 

In terms of personal opinion, I guess I choose communism.

[~Shore]

This is the part where I make a corny joke about your name and communism and Orwell and stuff and it makes me sound really smart. But I can't think of one.

[Davok]

This is the part where I make a corny joke about your name and communism and Orwell and stuff and it makes me sound really smart. But I can't think of one.

 

Freedom is Slavery, comrade.

[Willieh]

I wasn't referring to school. And regardless' date=' even you've admitted that few people actually make it out of poverty. So mentioning them would be like... mentioning people who live in a thread about shooting yourself in the head. =\

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So, what exactly are you proposing we do about poverty?

 

Cut our defense budget down and spend it on more important things, improve the educational system, economy, etc... Socialize our health care system...

 

There's endless things we could do.

 

If we cut down our defense we are left venarable. Yes, more money should go to education, and socialized healthcare is an entire other debate. Anyway, this whole thing is boring me now, but it did provide for ephemeral entertainment. До свидания

 

Vulnerable to what? Terrorists? Obviously we're already vulnerable to terrorists if they're in the country planning attacks.

 

We could cut down are defense budget by billions and still have a defense budget that is WAY too expensive.

[~Shore]

I agree with that. Our "security" has moved from safety to paranoia.

Case in point: our DEFENSE SYSTEM is dangerous enough that it could destroy the world multiple times. Because if we can't protect our country, we should be men and destroy it ourselves :D

 

Actually, I shouldn't say ourselves. Maybe some of you live in countries with a bit more sense.

[Azmodius]

well basicly th only way to have a utopia with everyone living a great life is to have a major decrease in population and a drastic increase in supplies which means genocide and slavery which alot of people went through in the past but to make things fair for everyone america moved to capitalism so i'd rather have capitalism than possibly being killed for no reason or being a slave' date=' anybody agree??

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Why do people have die to make a utopia? That would make the opposite.

 

Supplies =/= Happiness.

 

Slavery = Opposite of Happiness.

 

And how would you get supplies with hardly any population.

 

In theory, Communism is more fair then Capitalism, so your obviously ignorant on the subject. And USA (I assume, the term "america" is vague) is already capitalist.

 

Why, in communism or capitalism, would you become a slave or killed? Why would you think that?

 

I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed.

 

I'm a capitalist, but I also admire communism and it's virtues.