Does anybody hate Chowder?

[~Shore]

@TAG

Yeah a lot of people hate chowder. A lot of people hate other things too. BUT- my point wasn't that people hate chowder, it's that making a thread specifically for people who hate it is a stupid idea. If the thread were simply about the show, and people hated them, I would argue against them, but it would be a better thread because it was created as a discussion rather than a thread encouraging people to just post "yeah, I hate it too". Otherwise, I could make threads that say-

does anyone hate McCain

does anyone hate PS3

does anyone hate Grease

but more often like that threads like that would be locked for trolling.

 

Yes, all of those points were my opinion, thank you very much for noticing that *throws cookie*. My dislike of this thread is also my opinion, just as EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD IS AN OPINION. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

 

As for your opinions on the show- I'm not gonna say that the show is perfect. Its had its faults, especially in the newer episodes. The characters can get to be annoying, and the show can be unfunny. I deny none of this. However, the show has many unique aspects, like the art style, puppet segments, and cooking elements. The humor can be very good and special at times, when it is unique, well timed, and just plain funny. The characters were generally more appealing in season 1, when they were subtler, though I say that in the new episodes they're still fairly likable.

 

As for nostalgia/old shows, this is as much a thread for complaining about CNreal as it is for complaining about them. This thread is about Chowder. I would still say that people are still taking it out on new CN shows that they aren't their favorite old shows, which have been out of production for years and therefor not as commercially strong as shows with new episodes, but are still largely available as re-runs, on Boomerang, on the internet, or on DVD. Therefor, complaining about them not being around anymore is just stupid and off topic.

[Lazer Yoshi]

Atention Chowder and Flapjack haters:

SUCK MY MOTHER @#$%ING DICK!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a hilarious song. It's in "Crank 2: High Voltage". :lol:

[Taichi Masaki]

Well Chowder is done anyway so are you guys happy?

 

And I just heard that EEnE, PGG, DXL, JB, CnC, and Toonami are all going to get renewed. Are you guys even happier??!!

 

And Breaking News! CN Real is dead. Will you guys die and go to heaven also??!!!

 

Joking, jokes people. But seriously, Chowder has ended, there's no reason to flame it anymore you guys. (atleast IMO, other than that. *shrugs*)

[TAG]

@TAG

Yeah a lot of people hate chowder. A lot of people hate other things too. BUT- my point wasn't that people hate chowder' date=' it's that making a thread specifically for people who hate it is a stupid idea. If the thread were simply about the show, and people hated them, I would argue against them, but it would be a better thread because it was created as a discussion rather than a thread encouraging people to just post "yeah, I hate it too". Otherwise, I could make threads that say-

does anyone hate McCain

does anyone hate PS3

does anyone hate Grease

but more often like that threads like that would be locked for trolling.

 

Yes, all of those points were my opinion, thank you very much for noticing that *throws cookie*. My dislike of this thread is also my opinion, just as EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD IS AN OPINION. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

 

As for your opinions on the show- I'm not gonna say that the show is perfect. Its had its faults, especially in the newer episodes. The characters can get to be annoying, and the show can be unfunny. I deny none of this. However, the show has many unique aspects, like the art style, puppet segments, and cooking elements. The humor can be very good and special at times, when it is unique, well timed, and just plain funny. The characters were generally more appealing in season 1, when they were subtler, though I say that in the new episodes they're still fairly likable.

 

As for nostalgia/old shows, this is as much a thread for complaining about CNreal as it is for complaining about them. This thread is about Chowder. I would still say that people are still taking it out on new CN shows that they aren't their favorite old shows, which have been out of production for years and therefor not as commercially strong as shows with new episodes, but are still largely available as re-runs, on Boomerang, on the internet, or on DVD. Therefor, complaining about them not being around anymore is just stupid and off topic.

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1) Except those threads would cause too much of a controversy (Not sure about the grease thing, though >_>). This isn't a topic that will explode into fanboy rage. Besides, unlike those topics (although again, I'm not too sure about the grease thing) the only difference between a topic that discusses Chowder and a Chowder-bashing thread is that the latter would have a different title and opening post.

2) No. Heavy vants sandvich.

3) Ok.

4) To be fair, I really wasn't discussing much about the other shows. And yes, you're right about the whole "This thread is about Chowder" thing.

 

Well Chowder is done anyway so are you guys happy?

 

And I just heard that EEnE' date=' PGG, DXL, JB, CnC, and Toonami are all going to get renewed. Are you guys even happier??!!

 

And Breaking News! CN Real is dead. Will you guys die and go to heaven also??!!!

 

Joking, jokes people. But seriously, Chowder has ended, there's no reason to flame it anymore you guys. (atleast IMO, other than that. *shrugs*)

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But if we stop flaming things that are done with, we wouldn't have stuff like the Angry Video Game Nerd or the Nostalgia Critic. :(

[Taichi Masaki]

But if we stop flaming things that are done with' date=' we wouldn't have stuff like the Angry Video Game Nerd or the Nostalgia Critic. :(

[/quote']

 

True....

Just for that comment....

 

You Win. Flawless Victory.

[~Shore]

@Tag- the whole fanboy rage thing is the hole in your argument. Basically, what that means is if something doesn't have many fans, it's OK to bash it, which basically means you get away with it because no one will defend it. Obviously, that's not true, because people are defending the show, including people other than myself. As for the different title, yes, there would be a debate, but starting a thread based on bashing opens it up for unintelligent spam hate posts which contribute nothing to the forum.

[Willieh]

The only cartoons I've ever attentively watched were The Tick, King of the Hill, Johnny Bravo, Ren & Stimpy, Home Movies (funking UNDERRATED :() and old Spongebob. However I did watch chowder once. It seemed like Fairly Odd Parents humor with strange animation. It was pretty meh IMO.

[Taichi Masaki]

The only cartoons I've ever attentively watched were The Tick' date=' King of the Hill, Johnny Bravo, Ren & Stimpy, Home Movies (f***ing UNDERRATED :() and old Spongebob. However I did watch chowder once. It seemed like Fairly Odd Parents humor with strange animation. It was pretty meh IMO.

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Well, props for atleast giving it a try.

*Notices King of the Hill*

*cracks beer open* Yep!!

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I only watch CN for Ed Edd Eddy.

:(

I am still left in the precious minority on that show' date=' it seems.

 

Anyway, revisiting this thread much later, I find that it's a tad immature, especially for a show that's been canceled not even a year into its run. It does get worse and cruder than this, people.

 

If we're going to get snobby and comparison-based, I can say that American cartoons haven't been able to hold a candle to anime since [i']Neon Genesis Evangelion[/i] if not Super Dimension Fortress Macross or even Mobile Suit Gundam; that Japanese even do dead baby and absurdist comedy even better than the Americans that supposedly specialize in it (Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan and 2x2 = Shinobuden come to mind); that the only things Japan can't do better than any American programming, let alone the CN, are detective shows and The Powerpuff Girls, the latter of which is literally the pinnacle of American comedic animation; that the CN only ran Cowboy Bebop and bland, long-running, poorly-dubbed shonen; that Megas XLR was to Chowder what EVA, Code Geass, and its ilk were to The Powerpuff Girls and Samurai Jack' and that even the old CN was total crap compared to any lineup of noteworthy anime.

 

However, there's a problem with that — even if, when compared to a list of the greatest animated masterpieces of all time from the only country that actually produces animated masterpieces (Pixar aside; WALL-E comes to mind), CN is boring fare, it's still bleeding good. Though Toonami's main lure was anime that most certainly wasn't created for that segment, it was still bleeding awesome, and even if Megas XLR seems hopelessly petty after watching a round of EVA or Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan, it's still a surprisingly deep and funny parody that manages to carry itself without knowledge of its target genre. That eliminates the comparison argument completely.

 

Overly long rant over.

 

No show is going to be everyone's cup of tea, and I can respect the opinions of people like TAG who evaluate the show for what it is and find it to be unremarkable. They certainliy have license to say so when others are gushing about the show. But creating a thread to exhort flames on a decent program seems very immature and petty to me. I also think that when the show is about to be canceled anyway, it makes the thread maker look like an idiot, if not someone Konata Izumi would insult as a "raging geek."

 

Incidentally, a phrase which here means "back on topic," I think Chowder is banal at worst and mediocre at best; not terrifically funny and hideously inconsistent, but watchable when it's not on a particularly bad episode, and worth a look if it's a really good episode and nothing else is on.

[~Shore]

Thank you. Also, I don't get why people love EEnE so much either.

 

I honestly don't watch Anime, but American animation certainly isn't what it used to be, what with everything being outsourced, network censorship, and pre-packaged humor. PPGs were great, but I honestly like some of the newer stuff better, with Flapjack coming to mind.

 

However, its true that CN never was truly great. Johnny Bravo was funny but the animation was incredibly stiff and poorly done. Cow and Chicken looked great, but lacked the humor of its key influence, Ren and Stimpy.

 

Japan is one of the few places that treats television animation with enough respect. Cartoons have become so stereotyped here as "humor" or "for kids" that its very rare that people will take them seriously, which is why Samurai Jack is such an incredible achievement in American animation. Shows like Chowder are made by talented people, but are bound by the kidshow cliches that television is full of these days. That's why I give props to shows like Flapjack for pushing the boundaries, by being humorous, somewhat adult, and far beyond typical kid fare, without being ashamed of being cartoony, it keeping lots of funny drawings in the mix and has appeal that transcends the traditional limitations that TV has placed on art.

 

I had hoped the same thing for Chowder- I became interested in it during the time when CN's cartoon lineup was at its very lowest. Chowder seemed remarkably fresh, even though nowadays its become inconsistent and Flapjack is giving it a run for its money. However, every few episodes I see in it flashes or originality and fun that give me hope for the cartoon industry. Unfortunately, it crushes those hopes just as often, however, when a show has those sparks, hopefully it can be nurtured into something great (or it can become like Spongebob and let fame ruin it) but people never give it a chance because they're nostalgic or because they associate it with the other crap CN is playing.

 

That's my main problem with the stuff people have been saying about CN in threads like this- they're so stuck in their perspective on CN that they don't realize that while the channel as a whole is pretty bad, there are unique, original shows on there that show tons of promise. However, thanks to the network's poor advertising and the nostalgic mindset of the most die-hard animation fans, these shows are being ignored without even being given a chance, and I think that's a damn shame.

 

Chowder's been going downhill, I can understand that, but in its golden days it sometimes captured the things I most wanted to see in a cartoon, and for that, I don't think it deserves all this hate.

[Sorrow.]

Kids are in love with Slapstick humor now like randomness and stuff. Chowder is also great for kids ages 12-up hence when Schintzel was Bruce Lee, and also said Radouken. I hardly think that kids theese days know who Bruce Lee or a Hadouken is theese days. On Flapjacks case it is a big no.

[~Shore]

You're pretty much completely wrong.

Chowder is DEFINITELY not just for kids 12+

Pop culture references happen everywhere

Yeah, tons of people know who Bruce Lee is

Bruce Lee is not the pivotal part of Chowder

Flapjack is a definite yes

But yeah, I don't know about Hadouken.

[Sorrow.]

Hey its my opinon... But..... That is probably your zone in people here I watched the Bruce LEe Schintzel at my friends house and his little brother is like 8 and he asked " Whos that?" Again the Flapjack is a definite no to me..

[Poseidon©]

I do.

 

Cartoon Network fails.

It's for little kids...

 

This.

[Zektor]

chowder is a EPIC FAIL

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

chowder is a EPIC FAIL

In this thread, where long, well-thought-out arguments have been thrown around left and right, an unsupported opinion has no place.

[Zektor]

im just saying its down-right retarted cartoon network should take off its crappy shows(the othersiders,flapjack,chowder)

[~Shore]

You compared Flapjack and Chowder to the Othersiders.

 

 

Seriously, the best you guys can do is call shows stupid and retarded.

Also, what's also retarded is you suggesting that they take off two shows that have already been cancelled.

[Dweller of Parables]

They should implement what old cartoons did..

give characters items of mass destruction.

 

Tom and Jerry.

More than once have they used guns, bombs, nukes...etc.

[fooba]

i freaking love chowder lol i watch it so many times lol now i dont got salitle no more so i dont cartoon network but it is a good show

[Dweller of Parables]

I feel like smacking you with that box you are holding.

[~Shore]

They should implement what old cartoons did..

give characters items of mass destruction.

 

Tom and Jerry.

More than once have they used guns' date=' bombs, nukes...etc.

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Can't argue with that logic.

But, with modern censorship Flapjack's about as twisted as you can get, and Chowder's not doing too bad neither.

Viva la resistance.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

They should implement what old cartoons did..

give characters items of mass destruction.

And this would improve them... how?

[Sander]

Is it just me or is Chowder a freaking stoner?

 

I mean, look how much he eats, severe munchies thar.

[Wuu.]

It's so random and ugly that i don't like it, i'd preffer Spongebob or Flapjack.