HORUS Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 guess what??? it SUCKZ REALLY BADD. http://manjyomethunder.twoday.net/stories/4458571/ seriously. who wants to let their opponent draw 2 cards, then not be able to attack. REALLY BAD its a +0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 yes that card suck eggs... man i wanted it before i knew it's effect... but now i don't think any one would use it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God GAK Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Actually it is not that bad. You can use it in many ways. It can give you 2 cards to draw or a 2 card destroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicket Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Not entirely true, if you have a set Dark Coffin on your side of the field, you could destroy that, you're opponent'd have to pick an effect, plus, you draw a card. Not a whole lot you can gain from this, but there are strategies, however very limited as well as the chances of a successful pull-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Poison Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 naaaaaaah I agree with horus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 ugh... its not to bad... i guess if you destroy your cards... you can gain the 2 cards... plus it can be Special Summoned to gain its effect its not worth playign though, as HORUS said it is a +0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 i've seen a combo here... kreis + hero medal... need to say more?? but i don't get it... you praise dark bribe, and it gives your opponent a card... so what's the big deal?? in the right deck this card is dreadful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztex Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Actually it is not that bad, with its effect I can think of many combos! P.S I won't tell you the combo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 i've seen a combo here... kreis + hero medal... need to say more?? but i don't get it... you praise dark bribe' date=' and it gives your opponent a card... so what's the big deal?? in the right deck this card is dreadful...[/quote'] okay well problem is Kreis CANNOT attack after using its effect. sure you destroy 2 dangerous cards, but you most likely lose hand advantage, and you dont get to give extra damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Failure to be good. Raiza remains king. In girth and playability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 i cannot decide which field he is more masterful in. girth, or playability?? but he's better than all others nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 What about Gaius? He's just as good as Raiza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 i wouldnt say so. Lets go over each's effect. Raiza: Return one card to the top of the owner's deck. this is a +1 for your Field Advantage, plus it makes your opponent draw a worthless card resulting in a dead draw (+1), therefore giving you hand advantage, making that +1 for you. so +3 in all. Gaius: Remove one card on the field from play. thats a +1. if its a Dark Monster. but it likely will not be, seeing as you may be removing a spell/trap or you might be fighting CB's, Cloudians, Stratos Toolbox, other monarchs, other stuff. but of course the card may not be usable again. but with so much returning these days, plus increased playability of Macro Monarchs due to LADD, youre likely to hit a facedown Scoutplane and have it return and basically the effect does nothing but clear the field for a turn and do a bit of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfmvrocks Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Dude, this card is good with many reasons. Use it with Appropriate, Statue of the Wicked, Dark Coffin, and many other cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 LOL ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS CARD IS GOOD FOR APPROPRIATE OR DARK COFFIN DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfmvrocks Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Someone is an 'A'-hole today? I don't want the card, just saying it's an "eh" kinda card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkguy00000 Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Hm, one has to notice something... it reads Normal OR Special Summon a card. I dunno, it seems weird, I dunno what it'll be like... nah, I'd take Gran over this. if your deck has two spare cards on the field, you deserve to lose anyway so w/e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God GAK Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Still however, Raiza is the king and cannot be taken from its throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry OldMaster Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 It could be alot better :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Zarbog is better than him, cause he just kills somthing but this guy has possibility, cause u dont need to tribute for his effect to work, and u can special summon him and it still works... but razia still pwns best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Imagine Light Emperor + possibly, Ojamagic? Three tokens + 1 card. Then, Statue of the Wicked for a new token + a new card. Since Tokens do qualify as Monsters, a Negate Attack and a United We Stand give you a 6400 ATK monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaco Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 LOL ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS CARD IS GOOD FOR APPROPRIATE OR DARK COFFIN DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE IT. So you'd rather have it and not use it than have someone else have it that would use it? It is a bit combo oriented but I do like it. You can set a useless Spell or Trap to draw a card. Actually, it would give some more power to Combo decks. If you have a piece of a combo that's useless right now, why not destroy it to draw a card? Or even destroy tokens? But why not use Dark Coffin? Assuming you Special Summon Kreis and you have 2 dark coffins-2 Dark Coffins+2 Draws+2 negatives for opponent (Destruction of Monster/Discard) That seems pretty good to me. But I do understands its shortcomingsAssuming you used both Destruction on opponent (Special Summoned)+2 Destruction-2 opponent draw But you do get to clear the way for a pretty big attack (Potentially, not by Kreis) Or in a 1-1 destruction you can gain +1 +1 Opponent Destruction+1 Your Draw-1 Opp. Draw-1 Your Destruction (+1 Opponent Destruction - Assuming Dark Coffin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest setojim Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 actually, kreis is a very good card....it has the potential to wipe the field, either player draws........the player will use kreis in a burn/stall deck since they dont base around attacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 this Card isnt intended for the basic monarch build, but more on the strategy aspect. The best thing to do is obviously destroy your own cards. Destroy cards that has an uber effect of activating when they are destroyed, like security orb, dark coffin, wicked statues, oja magic, etc. Plus, they way its writen now (although it may get changed.) the second effect looks continuous. So Use things like Generation shift on your cards, or assult on ghq, etc. I mean this could be hot. Whats better than using assult on ghq on your Flamming chicken, Peel 2 cards off ur opponents deck while drawing 1, setting a dark coffin, than next turn bring back the chicken to destroy the coffin, draw an extra card, and forcing ur opponnet to give something up. But again its not for the average monarch deck, this is more strategic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 i've seen a combo here... kreis + hero medal... need to say more?? but i don't get it... you praise dark bribe' date=' and it gives your opponent a card... so what's the big deal?? in the right deck this card is dreadful...[/quote'] okay well problem is Kreis CANNOT attack after using its effect. sure you destroy 2 dangerous cards, but you most likely lose hand advantage, and you dont get to give extra damage. well, the effect says: "when this card is succesfuly -bla bla bla- you CAN destroy up to 2 cards on the field -bla bla bla-"... so the effect is optional, you can decide when you need cards on your hand, or when you have to attack... also, this card resolves a question that the monarch deck needed to resolve a long ago... the drawing power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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