Official Console War thread

[problematica]

PS3 is clearly the superior of teh 3 next gen consoles.

 

It doesn't overheat and break. *Cough* 360 *cough*

 

It's Blu Ray.

 

You don't have to pay to stay connected. *cough* 360 *cough*

 

And Sony actually cares about what it makes you. *cough* Microsoft *cough*

 

Microsoft fixed the Red Ring problem, and if it happens it's repaired for free, even with an expired warranty. PS3's Yellow Light of Death is a hard drive problem that could cost about $150 if the warranty is expired.

 

Congrats, it's slightly brighter and shapes are more jagged

 

Silver Membership is free. The Premium Membership in concept for PS3, is not.

 

I think the whole charging for Yellow Light repair while Microsoft repairs Red Ring for free kinda contradicts that

 

Why not get an argument that wasn't made invalid years ago?

[Zexaeon]

High Performance?

 

PS3, Xbox 360

 

Strong Base of Exclusives?

 

Wii, PS3, Xbox

 

Blueray?

 

PS3

 

Free Internet / Internet Browser?

 

Wii, PS3

 

Overheating / Malfuntioning Issues?

 

Xbox, Wii

 

Innovative?

 

PS3, Wii

 

Personal Opinion of Fun Factor?

 

PS3, Wii

 

 

An italicized point means "Sometimes".

 

Anyway, Wii lacks high-end graphical engine. Xbox overheats and breaks often, and the Wii does this sometimes (my first wii broke randomly from a very minor collision. Pissed me off. The waranty replacement was fine though).

 

Xbox lacks free online.

 

Both PS3 and Wii bring something interesting to the table - Xbox is arguably the simplest, and lacks anything particularly unique that sets it exclusively apart.

 

They all have their great games though, and the Console-Exclusives are high selling points for all three systems.

 

Those are my opinions.

[problematica]

Anyway' date=' Wii lacks high-end graphical engine. Xbox overheats and breaks often, and the Wii does this sometimes (my first wii broke randomly from a very minor collision. Pissed me off. The waranty replacement was fine though).

 

Xbox lacks free online.

 

Both PS3 and Wii bring something interesting to the table - Xbox is arguably the simplest, and lacks anything particularly unique that sets it exclusively apart.

 

They all have their great games though, and the Console-Exclusives are high selling points for all three systems.

 

Those are my opinions.

[/quote']

 

PS3 Overheats and Yellow Lights

 

360 has free Silver Membership. Sony is planning on a Premium Membership that costs money.

 

XBox didn't need a gimmick to start off. Even now Sony is taking Wii's motion controller while Microsoft being original and letting you use Natal to control with your body

 

I have all 3 by the way. I'm not a 360 fanboy, but stupid or settled arguments deserve to be reputed.

[Zexaeon]

And I suppose the fact that the Yellow Light is an almost nonexistent problem that typically results from misuse of the system is something that does not deserve mention, right?

 

Also, the PS3 didn't "steal" the Wii's motion controls. Incorporating motion had always been the plan in their control design, before the wii unveiled their Wiimote, and the two control systems operate on completely separate mechanics.

Additionally, Silver Membership is crap, and the advent of PS3's Premium Membership hardly adds anything to the mix that makes regular membership look bad.

 

To illustrate the point:

 

Premium > Regular, but Gold >>>>> Silver. If the difference between two memberships is that bad, they're doing it wrong.

 

I'm not a PS3 Fanboy, and have all three systems. But a stupid argument needs to be shot down.

[Twig]

PS3 is clearly the superior of teh 3 next gen consoles.

 

It doesn't overheat and break. *Cough* 360 *cough*

 

It's Blu Ray.

 

You don't have to pay to stay connected. *cough* 360 *cough*

 

And Sony actually cares about what it makes you. *cough* Microsoft *cough*

 

Microsoft fixed the Red Ring problem' date=' and if it happens it's repaired for free, even with an expired warranty. PS3's Yellow Light of Death is a hard drive problem that could cost about $150 if the warranty is expired.

 

[b']Yellow light of death? How come I've never heard of it? If it's real, it has never happened to me. PS3s hardly break down.[/b]

 

Congrats, it's slightly brighter and shapes are more jagged

 

Say what?

 

Silver Membership is free. The Premium Membership in concept for PS3, is not.

 

There's premium membership in PS3? Am I missing out on something? Silver membership might be free, but you can't play online unless you have gold.(That's what I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.) Also, you don't need premium membership to play online in the PS3. It's just bonus stuff.

 

I think the whole charging for Yellow Light repair while Microsoft repairs Red Ring for free kinda contradicts that

 

Why not get an argument that wasn't made invalid years ago?

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Heard of the Yellow light, but it hardly happens.

 

Xbox though better in sports, racing, and shooting games, is quite inferior in terms of the rest of the game genres.

[Twig]

Heard of the Yellow light' date=' but it hardly happens.

 

Xbox though better in sports,[b'] racing[/b], and shooting games, is quite inferior in terms of the rest of the game genres.

 

Grand Turismo 5 would like to argue.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Heard of the Yellow light' date=' but it hardly happens.

 

Xbox though better in sports,[b'] racing[/b], and shooting games, is quite inferior in terms of the rest of the game genres.

 

Grand Turismo 5 would like to argue.

 

Never seen or played it, but I guess PS3 takes racing if I take your word for it.

 

Anyhow, if they can only perfect MAG, then PS3 would take shooting games.....

[Dark]

I wish Final Fantasy was a Nintendo-exclusive.

 

But it's not, so I'll just sit in my room sad-facing for all of eternity. bai guise

[Great Unclean One: VK]

I wish Final Fantasy was a Nintendo-exclusive.

 

But it's not' date=' so I'll just sit in my room sad-facing for all of eternity. bai guise

[/quote']

 

Come back Dark, I luv you! *grabs Dark's shoulder*

 

Anyhow, turns out Final Fantasy won't be a exclusive to anyone.....

[problematica]

[spoiler=Zexaeon Quote]

And I suppose the fact that the Yellow Light is an almost nonexistent problem that typically results from misuse of the system is something that does not deserve mention' date=' right?

 

Also, the PS3 didn't "steal" the Wii's motion controls. Incorporating motion had always been the plan in their control design, before the wii unveiled their Wiimote, and the two control systems operate on completely separate mechanics.

Additionally, Silver Membership is crap, and the advent of PS3's Premium Membership hardly adds anything to the mix that makes regular membership look bad.

 

To illustrate the point:

 

Premium > Regular, but Gold >>>>> Silver. If the difference between two memberships is that bad, they're doing it wrong.

 

I'm not a PS3 Fanboy, and have all three systems. But a stupid argument needs to be shot down.

[/quote']

 

 

[spoiler=Twig Quote]

Microsoft fixed the Red Ring problem' date=' and if it happens it's repaired for free, even with an expired warranty. PS3's Yellow Light of Death is a hard drive problem that could cost about $150 if the warranty is expired.

 

[b']Yellow light of death? How come I've never heard of it? If it's real, it has never happened to me. PS3s hardly break down.[/b]

 

Congrats, it's slightly brighter and shapes are more jagged

 

Say what?

 

Silver Membership is free. The Premium Membership in concept for PS3, is not.

 

There's premium membership in PS3? Am I missing out on something? Silver membership might be free, but you can't play online unless you have gold.(That's what I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.) Also, you don't need premium membership to play online in the PS3. It's just bonus stuff.

 

I think the whole charging for Yellow Light repair while Microsoft repairs Red Ring for free kinda contradicts that

 

Why not get an argument that wasn't made invalid years ago?

 

 

 

And the fact that the Red Ring of Death has been fixed is something that does not deserve mention, right? Despite Yellow Light only happening to about 1% of PS3s, the fact is that it happens and Sony is not willing to fix it for free nor make changes to prevent it.

And Yellow Light can be caused by just playing, no misuse required

 

The PS3 motion controllers are exactly the same as the Wii's. While motion for normal controllers was Sony's plan to begin with, having a remote and a nunchuck attachment is exactly what the Wii had long beforehand.

 

Silver Membership has everything Gold has except the ability to play games online. This is actually how Sony messes up. Without this, Sony charges companies to release their trailers and Demo's, causing companies to either make games solely for 360 or losing rediculous amounts of money to advertise a game that may not even make even.

The bonuses for Premium membership are things that many members would find themselves hardpressed to resist and seems almost guaranteed that they'd all buy in.

 

It would have helped if your rebuttals weren't all so wrong as well.

[Zexaeon]

=/ You're full of sheet, for a variety of reasons.

 

Red Ring is not 'fixed'. It is repairable, and it is offered for free because it still happens relatively often. My brother's system has gotten it on two seperate occasions in just one year, which is kind of sad, really.

 

Offering a free repair of Yello Light is highly impractical; it's an incredibly infrequent problem, and while it CAN happen by just playing, it usually does not. It's a difficult malfunction to fix, and it would cost Sony a great deal to repair it for free. The companies have to make money, not lose it, if they are to keep making games for our enjoyment.

 

Sony planned on motion controls before wii even unveiled their wiimote and control plan. It was coincidence, not ripp-offery.

 

Xbox is worthless without online play. Ask 10 Xbox gamers what they use it for. 9 will probably tell you Online Play. Ergo, Silver is crap.

 

Premium membership offers some nifty doo-dads, but that doesn't guarantee its success. I could care less about it.

[problematica]

=/ You're full of s***' date=' for a variety of reasons.

 

Red Ring is not 'fixed'. It is repairable, and it is offered for free because it still happens relatively often. My brother's system has gotten it on two seperate occasions in just one year, which is kind of sad, really.

 

Offering a free repair of Yello Light is highly impractical; it's an incredibly infrequent problem, and while it CAN happen by just playing, it usually does not. It's a difficult malfunction to fix, and it would cost Sony a great deal to repair it for free. The companies have to make money, not lose it, if they are to keep making games for our enjoyment.

 

Sony planned on motion controls before wii even [i']unveiled[/i] their wiimote and control plan. It was coincidence, not ripp-offery.

 

Xbox is worthless without online play. Ask 10 Xbox gamers what they use it for. 9 will probably tell you Online Play. Ergo, Silver is crap.

 

Premium membership offers some nifty doo-dads, but that doesn't guarantee its success. I could care less about it.

 

Updates were made to the consoles, the ones that weren't sold after the they solved the problem were all repaired. Consoles people bought beforehand still had a 1/3 chance. Older returns were sometimes just replaced with some that still had a chance. But now, it's completely fixed and it's merely a problem of if it'll happen even once to the remaining older consoles before it's gone forever.

 

Charging people for something that is Sony's fault is just plain wrong. If the customer did nothing wrong, there is no reason he should pay even more just to get his system to work.

 

The PS3 remote controller patents were made after the Wii was released. There is no proof they were concepted beforehand since their first appearance came well after the Wiimotes.

 

Because people enjoy online play. For people who enjoy single-player it is a perfectly acceptable system. With the ability to download things from the marketplace, people who want nothing but single-player are completely set.

 

Premium will succeed, offering any new features at all will ensure that a majority will buy into it. Just because you don't want it now, doesn't mean you won't be interested when the offer actually comes.

[Twig]

The bonuses for Premium membership are things that many members would find themselves hardpressed to resist and seems almost guaranteed that they'd all buy in.

 

You're saying that about Premium Membership, but look at you Gold membership. Microsoft is pretty much saying, "If you want to enjoy the Xbox360, you have to pay for gold membership."

 

The stuff in Premium membership are nice, but you don't really need them to enjoy the Ps3.

[Zexaeon]

And yet the Red Light still happens. I've seen it myself numerous times.

 

I can admit that it sucks to have pay for the damages a Yellow Light causes. But it is fact that most cases of it are caused by system misuse anyway, so it isn't exactly Sony's fault every time someone gets it.

 

The PS3's control design patent was submitted after the wiimote, this is true. That doesn't mean they came up with the idea after the wiimote. Interviews in EGm, Game Informer, and other such titles, with the PS3 producers revealed well early on that they planned on including motion sensitivity in their future control schematics.

 

Xbox has a crappy selection of Single Player games. The few acceptable ones have more bonuses that can be enjoyed online. The Online Market features a predominate selection of items that cost points, which cost a disproportionate amount of money.

 

Anyone will tell you you need Gold yo enjoy your Xbox properly.

 

As Twig pointed out, you can enjoy all the essentials of the PS3 on regular membership.

[Poseidon©]

I've looked at a lot of surveys for the RROD, and it's around 50 percent. :/

 

Sony says the YLOD is around .5 percent, although it is slightly old.

[problematica]

And yet the Red Light still happens. I've seen it myself numerous times.

 

I can admit that it sucks to have pay for the damages a Yellow Light causes. But it is fact that most cases of it are caused by system misuse anyway' date=' so it isn't exactly Sony's fault every time someone gets it.

 

The PS3's control design patent was submitted after the wiimote, this is true. That doesn't mean they came up with the idea after the wiimote. Interviews in EGm, Game Informer, and other such titles, with the PS3 producers revealed well early on that they planned on including motion sensitivity in their future control schematics.

 

Xbox has a crappy selection of Single Player games. The few acceptable ones have more bonuses that can be enjoyed online. The Online Market features a predominate selection of items that cost points, which cost a disproportionate amount of money.

 

Anyone will tell you you need Gold yo enjoy your Xbox properly.

 

As Twig pointed out, you can enjoy all the essentials of the PS3 on regular membership.

[/quote']

 

Because the old consoles are still out there, at least Microsoft is doing something.

 

Simply playing the console more than it was made for is not simply misuse. I've witnessed Yellow Lights happen to some who merely played long sessions. It's not misuse if Sony botched in the making of the console.

 

Motion Sensitivity could simply mean they planned on something like the Six-Axis controller. It doesn't mean they thought of the remote beforehand. Stating after the fact that they thought of it long ago could simply be a way to make themselves look better because they can't admit the Wiimote inspired them without looking bad.

 

The 360 shares several titles with the PS3, especially ones that are considered amazing for their single-player with no connection to multiplayer. And the exclusives it holds also have strong single-player campaigns in their own right. Merely saying that a system has a crappy selection is the equivalent of someone stating the same for the PS3 or the Wii.

 

The items on the Marketplace share an almost identical value on Sony's store.

 

I've known several 360 gamers who dislike the multiplayer because of the online atmosphere and frequent glitching/cheating/hacking in games and stick to single-player gaming.

 

You can also enjoy the essentials on Silver Membership, multiplayer isn't necessary to enjoy the games on the 360.

[Twig]

I've known several 360 gamers who dislike the multiplayer because of the online atmosphere and frequent glitching/cheating/hacking in games and stick to single-player gaming.

 

Oh look, you pointed out another problem in the xbox360 for us.

 

Yes, you can enjoy the xbox360 without online play, but for only a few months. Face it, single player games don't last very long.

[Zexaeon]

For someone who claims to not be a fanboy of a specific franchise, you certainly are doing your best to put down the PS3. If you recall, my initial post of opinions gave props to all systems. I'm attacking the Xbox now solely due to the fact that you've decided to attack Sony.

 

New systems to get the RROD. I've read plenty of complaints about it, recent ones at that. It's far from as repaired as you think it is.

 

"system Misuse" constitutes using the systems power to perform tasks it was not intended to do. This includes the modding of systems for personal ends, which is a risk in and of itself.

I never said it never happens just by playing, I said it usually happens from misuse. You seem to keep missing the fact that I am saying "usually". I am well aware that, very rarely, the malfunction is no one's fault.

 

Just like the BSOD in PCs is often no one's fault. But Microsoft still makes you pay to have it fixed. Boo hoo.

 

And that's wonderful for those people who like single player campaign - they are (TBC)

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(Cont from previous)

 

a minority. Everyone knows that the Xbox's biggest selling point is, and has been for a long while, it's online selection. 9 in 10 individuals will not buy an Xbox for their oh-so-stunning selection of single player games.

 

So what does Microsoft do? they capitalize on this audience, and make you pay for Online. So you see, the majority of the Xbox audience does in fact have to PAY to enjoy their system.

 

The PS3 has no such limp. People who play the PS3 like it for its respectable selection of games, both online and single player, and playing online is not a feature that is ever charged for.

 

A PS3 owner doesn't need to pay for membership to enjoy the bare essentials of their system. It's that simple.

 

 

Lastly, as for the control issue, you interpret it however you want. it doesn't make you right.

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Ugh, love of God this keyboard sucks. So many typos in that last post.

['tyleR]

Xbox has a crappy selection of Single Player games.

 

Are you kidding? Bioshock, Fallout 3, Half-Life, Portal, MW1, Oblivion. Several games that are very enjoyable in single-player. (Fallout 3 is for both systems, but either way it's for 360, and it's great.)

[Twig]

Xbox has a crappy selection of Single Player games.

 

Are you kidding? Bioshock' date=' Fallout 3, Half-Life, Portal, MW1, Oblivion. Several games that are very enjoyable in single-player. (Fallout 3 is for both systems, but either way it's for 360, and it's great.)

[/quote']

 

All of those games are also in the PS3. -.-

[Zexaeon]

By crappy selection, I literally meant that there isn't a lot to choose from.

 

In stark contrast, what little there IS to choose from (that can be enjoyed without needing online) is actually very, very good. Quality over quantity is best, after all.

 

But the selection is still poor, if we are speaking in quantity. And that CAN be a bad thing, as it leaves fewer good titles to choose from. Unfortunately, not eveyone is interested in the likes of Bioshock.

[♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

The only reason I'd buy the PS3 is for GoW III.

 

Apart from that, I'd probably get a 360 and play MW2 with my friends in school.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Xbox has a crappy selection of Single Player games.

 

Are you kidding? Bioshock' date=' Fallout 3, Half-Life, Portal, MW1, Oblivion. Several games that are very enjoyable in single-player. (Fallout 3 is for both systems, but either way it's for 360, and it's great.)

[/quote']

 

 

*facepalm*

 

Is that why FFXIII is a three part disc?

 

PS3 is the superior console except in terms of shooters and sports.

 

360 rules in sports and shooters because

 

A) all them buttons help in Madden.

 

B) Moar buttons = better shooters.

[problematica]

I've known several 360 gamers who dislike the multiplayer because of the online atmosphere and frequent glitching/cheating/hacking in games and stick to single-player gaming.

 

Oh look' date=' you pointed out another problem in the xbox360 for us.

 

Yes, you can enjoy the xbox360 without online play, but for only a few months. Face it, single player games don't last very long.

[/quote']

 

It's also pretty frequent on PS3

 

Yep, exactly like multiplayer games. They're interesting for a few months, but then you can just get another.

 

[spoiler=Zexaeon's Quote]

For someone who claims to not be a fanboy of a specific franchise' date=' you certainly are doing your best to put down the PS3. If you recall, my initial post of opinions gave props to all systems. I'm attacking the Xbox now solely due to the fact that you've decided to attack Sony.

 

New systems to get the RROD. I've read plenty of complaints about it, recent ones at that. It's far from as repaired as you think it is.

 

"system Misuse" constitutes using the systems power to perform tasks it was not intended to do. This includes the modding of systems for personal ends, which is a risk in and of itself.

I never said it never happens just by playing, I said it usually happens from misuse. You seem to keep missing the fact that I am saying "usually". I am well aware that, very rarely, the malfunction is no one's fault.

 

Just like the BSOD in PCs is often no one's fault. But Microsoft still makes you pay to have it fixed. Boo hoo.

 

And that's wonderful for those people who like single player campaign - they are (TBC)[hr']

(Cont from previous)

 

a minority. Everyone knows that the Xbox's biggest selling point is, and has been for a long while, it's online selection. 9 in 10 individuals will not buy an Xbox for their oh-so-stunning selection of single player games.

 

So what does Microsoft do? they capitalize on this audience, and make you pay for Online. So you see, the majority of the Xbox audience does in fact have to PAY to enjoy their system.

 

The PS3 has no such limp. People who play the PS3 like it for its respectable selection of games, both online and single player, and playing online is not a feature that is ever charged for.

 

A PS3 owner doesn't need to pay for membership to enjoy the bare essentials of their system. It's that simple.

 

 

Lastly, as for the control issue, you interpret it however you want. it doesn't make you right.

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Ugh, love of God this keyboard sucks. So many typos in that last post.

 

 

 

I'm only defending the 360 because of the constant bashing that occurs against it. To truly give props to all systems you would have had to acknowledge the flaws for the PS3, which you purposefully ignored. I'm attacking the PS3 now solely due to the fact that you've decided to attack the 360.

 

New systems do not get the Red Ring. The Jasper repair was made long ago and wiped out the Red Ring. The secondary Red Ring problem was a software glitch that was also fixed shortly after Jasper.

 

You seem to think that this is caused by modding the console. About 80% of the Yellow Light problems occur similarly to the initial Red Ring where a connection is lost to the chip inside the console because of heating.

 

Nice, getting off topic and attacking a practice by the company outside of consoles.

 

It is wonderful for them. It's also nice for those who like multiplayer considering how little extra they have to pay in order to support their favorite developers with the money the companies don't have to pay Microsoft to publish demos and trailers.

And Microsoft does like to market it's multiplayer experience. It also likes to advertise its collection of AAA single player games or how it runs multiplatform games better than the PS3 does.

 

So Microsoft knows how capitalism works, doesn't make its practice bad. It only charges people a small fee to play as much as they want for a year. While Sony, charges all the publishers for every gigabyte downloaded of their products. This may seem all good for the players, but this is terrible for publishers.

 

360 users don't need to get multiplayer and can still enjoy the marketplace without hurting the publishers in the slightest.

 

Neither does that make your opinion of the controller issue correct; mine just has documented evidence that cannot be forged or lied about.