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@ adhd

 

"On day one, Man created God."

 

Obviously the idea of a supreme being has been around for awhile, because (in my opinion) religion was created to suppress any potential violence or disobedience from a large population. Is that bad? Well, no. In fact, that's a pretty smart use of a supreme creator. More recently, however, religion has been affecting other people who really don't care about it, and doesn't serve the same purpose it does anymore. Does that mean religion should be abolished? I could care less. But I have already given proof (if I haven't, it's a YouTube link I will post later) that religion affects my life, which is somethiing that shouldn't ever happen. If you are part of a religion, it can affect your life all you want.

 

Dark' date=' I think you shouldn't look at things as if they were only black or white, and that's the feeling I get reading your posts on this subject.

 

[b']Yeah, I pretty much have that problem in this topic. When I think of religion, I normally think of two extremities (extremist religion people and extremeist atheists, with the "others" being in the middle) instead of thinking of gradual changes from the right to the left.[/b]

 

Yes, Christians do get pissed off a lot when questioned about their beliefs, and you say you have a hard time understanding that, but if you think about it for a second, which I'm sure you have, you'll know why that is.

 

A fair number of atheists like to poke at religious people in general with things like "let's just blindly follow whatever Meester Poap says". This is completely ignorant, because we're not living in the Middle Age anymore. The starting point for Christian bashing is making every one of us look like a deranged extremist. How many Christians nowadays actually believe in intelligent design, Adam and Eve, Satan, the Flood (that killed every fish in the world, somehow) or any of that?

 

You misconstrue what atheists say. And you never specified if you are talking about the internet or in real life. On the internet, I don't need to have any courtesy and can do whatever the hell I want. i cud tiep liek dis 2 shw how dumbo chrisan ppl r n stuf, and it wouldn't really matter. Again, the sarcastic phrase "the internet is srs biznes" definitely applies here. If you are saying that atheists poke fun at religious people in real life, I'd love a source. The only reason I'd poke fun at a religious person is if (like in intelligent design) something in a religion affected me. A prime example is, in Texas (or at least I think it was that state), you cannot buy alcohol on a Sunday because Church is going on. That's a load of bullshit.

 

Most Christians nowadays aren't concerned about going to Hell. We're sensible enough not to lead our daily lives with Heaven as a goal. That's ridiculous. Yes, some people do that, but those certainly do not represent the majority.

Personally, I believe there was a Jesus, that he went around preaching a message that I think makes perfect sense and that I'm fully behind - I feel I can live my life based around Christian ideals. That doesn't mean I believe he walked on water, multiplied fish, turned water to wine and resurrected a man. It isn't necessary that I believe in all that to get the message, but back then, you can be sure it was. If there wasn't anything mystical about the preacher, nobody would ever stand behind him, and the Bible comes from way back then. It's not a modern piece of literature.

I also believe there is a higher entity. This is a personal opinion, I have no proof that it does, not proof that it does not. Regardless, I don't go around waving a flag saying "FEAR MY GOD, REPENT, REPEEEENT!". Most sensible religious people don't do that. Most sensible people know why you should wear a condom.

 

Problem is, institutions that are set on religious principles from its foundation just can't afford to be that relaxed. It doesn't mean the board of directors is composed of fanatics, but if the institution is admittedly based on Christian values, for example, then it must remain somewhat inflexible or the core principles of that institution will eventually be lost in time.

The Church is, in my opinion, a case where that inflexibility is exaggerated. And just because I'm Christian, it doesn't mean I will follow the Pope blindly. I'll still wear a condom and I honestly don't care about gay marriage, as long as they don't adopt; and even that has nothing to do with my religion.

 

And just because I am atheist doesn't mean I have a dispositioned hatred against you. I've said multiple times before (and even when I haven't said it, I sure as hell implied it) that as long as you aren't an extremist Christian, you are a cool beens person. And even if you are an extremist Christian, just stay away from me and I'll be happy.

 

The problem arises when religion starts to affect my personal life. Take a look at this 5-minute YouTube video.

 

 

If religious institutions and religious people wouldn't try to change things from their original, secular ways, many atheists wouldn't really give a damn about religious people and would continue living their merry lives.

 

I was watching a news program about two months back, and it was about these Angelican people who went to an African country, influenced their government, and all homosexuals in that country (Uganda, iirc) were put to jail. Check through my threads and you'll find one thread I made about it. If those Angel people didn't bother with other people, and didn't try to force their beliefs unto others, no one would really care what they did.

 

And another prime example is our government. The US Constitution states we are not founded on the Christian religion, although our founding fathers may not have been atheist. Yet people still try to get religion into the government, which is why the case on homosexuals and abortion is such a controversy. You have rational people on BOTH SIDES OF THE CASE giving RATIONAL arguments, and then you have some dumbass who holds up a Bible and says God does not like homosexual people. I wouldn't care if there was a rational reason why homosexuality is bad (of which I can think of none) and gay marriage was illegal, but because of random people holding up their religious texts is NOT a valid reason. And that last sentence was horribly worded, I hope you get what I was saying.

 

If I have anything else to say, I guess this thread is unlocked as of now.

 

EDIT: Wow, wall of text. Sorry. :/

 

Yes, wall of text. But I broke it apart. <3

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This thread is stupid.

Nuff' said.

 

Your post contributes so much to the thread. I like you as a member' date=' but it's idiotic posts like these that gets threads locked. I was a fool for thinking it was originally the extreme atheist and religious people who got s[b'][/b]hit locked. It's actually these posts from people who don't know when to gtfo out of a thread or who don't know when to be mature.

 

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This thread is stupid.

Nuff' said.

 

Your post contributes so much to the thread. I like you as a member' date=' but it's idiotic posts like these that gets threads locked. I was a fool for thinking it was originally the extreme atheist and religious people who got s[b'][/b]hit locked. It's actually these posts from people who don't know when to gtfo out of a thread or who don't know when to be mature.

 

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I'm referring to the fact that the author did not include other religions, and only putting 1 religion, and atheism. Anyone agree that that itself is stupid no?

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I'm not going to quote the whole thing or this post would be huge, so I'll try to cover what you said, though there isn't much to say:

 

Opinions on the internet and opinions in real life are the same if they come from the same person. Whether you're polite or not is irrelevant because I'm not debating against your cordiality. If you post something completely different from your true opinion just because you feel like trolling, don't expect people to guess that wasn't what you actually "thought in real life". Point is, it's easier to have balls on the internet, but an stance is a stance regardless of how it comes across, and that's what people will be debating - they don't have to guess if you're being serious or not. Also, debating a serious topic doesn't mean the internet is serious business.

 

Obviously, I can't provide sources that some atheists like criticizing religious people in real life, and you know I can't, else you wouldn't have asked, but I trust you live in the same world as I do and not locked in a monastery. I don't mean to say Christians are constantly being made fun of or harassed. I mean to say that whenever they are, the argument is something completely out of proportion, like the one you used of "let's blindly follow the Pope". And like I said, I don't care if it's the internet, I don't have to guess your intentions or what you meant to imply, I can only reply to what you type.

 

I don't know how it works in America, I live in another country, but obviously I don't agree with that Texas law. Problem is, things usually go (and I know you didn't put things this way) "You Christians are intolerant bastards because you don't allow drinking on Sundays", when the actual problem is "some morons in an American State made a law that prohibits alcohol consumption on Sundays". The rest of the (more sensible) believers have nothing to do with it, and nothing in our religion says anything in that regard.

 

My point? Our religion doesn't affect your life. Some idiots wrongfully running things under that banner do. Doesn't mean we, as followers of that religion, have to be included in generalized rants. ;)

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I'm not going to quote the whole thing or this post would be huge' date=' so I'll try to cover what you said, though there isn't much to say:

 

Opinions on the internet and opinions in real life are the same if they come from the same person. Whether you're polite or not is irrelevant because I'm not debating against your cordiality. If you post something completely different from your true opinion just because you feel like trolling, don't expect people to guess that wasn't what you actually "thought in real life". Point is, it's easier to have balls on the internet, but an stance is a stance regardless of how it comes across, and that's what people will be debating - they don't have to guess if you're being serious or not. Also, debating a serious topic doesn't mean the internet is serious business.

 

[b']If you honestly think I'd go to a Church and make a lot of jokes about Christianity, that's sad. I'd like to keep my life, thank you. Over the internet, I can do whatever I want, because a Christian with a gun can't pop out of nowhere and kill me. <3[/b]

 

Obviously, I can't provide sources that some atheists like criticizing religious people in real life, and you know I can't, else you wouldn't have asked, but I trust you live in the same world as I do and not locked in a monastery. I don't mean to say Christians are constantly being made fun of or harassed. I mean to say that whenever they are, the argument is something completely out of proportion, like the one you used of "let's blindly follow the Pope". And like I said, I don't care if it's the internet, I don't have to guess your intentions or what you meant to imply, I can only reply to what you type.

 

I don't know how it works in America, I live in another country, but obviously I don't agree with that Texas law. Problem is, things usually go (and I know you didn't put things this way) "You Christians are intolerant bastards because you don't allow drinking on Sundays", when the actual problem is "some morons in an American State made a law that prohibits alcohol consumption on Sundays". The rest of the (more sensible) believers have nothing to do with it, and nothing in our religion says anything in that regard.

 

No, not at all. Texas is a mainly Republican state with a large Christian population. What is Sunday? The apparent day of the Lord. What shouldn't the Lord be associated with? Alcohol. It's because of the majority of Christians in that state that the law came about. Why should there be a law is my concern. Why can't all the Christian people just NOT buy alcohol on Sundays, while letting Hindus and Muslims and Jews and atheists buy as much as they want? It's because religion is wrongly affecting others' lives.

 

My point? Our religion doesn't affect your life. Some idiots wrongfully running things under that banner do. Doesn't mean we, as followers of that religion, have to be included in generalized rants. ;)

 

The extreme followers of a religion DO affect my life, and that is plainly obvious if you watched the video.

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No' date=' not at all. Texas is a mainly Republican state with a large Christian population. What is Sunday? The apparent day of the Lord. What shouldn't the Lord be associated with? Alcohol. It's because of the majority of Christians in that state that the law came about. Why should there be a law is my concern. Why can't all the Christian people just NOT buy alcohol on Sundays, while letting Hindus and Muslims and Jews and atheists buy as much as they want? It's because religion is wrongly affecting others' lives.[/b']

 

I won't post on this anymore because I don't want to drag a discussion that has stayed on a friendly tone for surprisingly long, but I'd like to say that you made a lot of wrong associations in there.

 

God and alcohol have no association with each other whatsoever. People drank wine back then like you drink water. The problem, in my view, isn't that religion is wrongly affecting others' lives, it's that a handful of people with power probably chose to cater to the larger Christian community and made a law using some sort of twisted logic.

My point is, I highly doubt there would be a horde of raging Texans invading the Mayor's residence if that law was abolished - the general public does not care! So, the way I see it, the problem isn't in the religion and most of its followers, but that handful of misguided people that have the means to affect lives. I don't think the rest of us should be observed on that same light and judged as such.

 

Thanks for keeping this civil. ;)

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There is not a true belief in what I have, however, I am an Atheist. Christianity's version of God is completely illogical and personally, I cannot believe in it. I will not deny the presence of some form of benevolent being, as we just don't know, but all the same I cannot believe that of which as no proof.

 

However, I rely heavily on philosophy and philosophies of life. How you live your life and how you affect others counts a lot more to me (and it should others) than believing in a God will ever. People like Dark can mock religion all they wish to, ignoring the fact that The Bible and other holy scriptures tell people to be fair and just, and THAT is what matters in a religion. Not if you believe in God.

 

Out of all the religions there are, I consider Buddhism to count for the most. Some of their beliefs are a bit... much, however The Five Precepts and the way they view life is how it should be. So if I were to ever be forced to be religious, then I would be Buddhist.

 

However, at the current time I am a firm believer in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Religion is not important; philosophy is.

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That was pointed out several times throughout the course of this thread.

 

If you don't get it by post #178' date=' you are an idiot.

 

Wait a minute... okay, thank you for reposting it. <3

 

cwutididthar? doucit?

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For you trying to be all cool over the internet and failing?

Yeah, I see that.

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That was pointed out several times throughout the course of this thread.

 

If you don't get it by post #178' date=' you are an idiot.

 

Wait a minute... okay, thank you for reposting it. <3

 

cwutididthar? doucit?

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For you trying to be all cool over the internet and failing?

Yeah, I see that.

 

No, not that.

 

The fact that there are a lot of idiots on YCM and because you reposted it, it would take more than 178 posts to hammer that point in.

 

COULD I HAVE MADE IT MORE OBVIOUS?!

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Regardless' date=' I'm Atheist.

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grr...

Black, fearsome and grim and mighty

Panzer division Marduk rolls over enemy land

Striking hard and fast against your lines

We blow your fortress into sand

We avenge you for centuries of rape, murder and theft

Behold the power of our killing machine

There'll be nothing but dust when the vultures have left

Forged in the essence of the unholy flames

By the first angel once fallen from the skies

The war hounds of hell can't be stopped on our march

To extinguish the goodness and lies

Panzer division Marduk continues its triumphant crusade

Against Christianity and your worthless humanity

 

am I cool yet

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Regardless' date=' I'm Atheist.

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grr...

 

I want a more enthusiastic "grr" out of you.

 

I PROCLAIM THAT I AM ATHEIST!

 

rawrpanda.jpg

 

Regardless' date=' I'm Atheist.

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grr...

Black, fearsome and grim and mighty

Panzer division Marduk rolls over enemy land

Striking hard and fast against your lines

We blow your fortress into sand

We avenge you for centuries of rape, murder and theft

Behold the power of our killing machine

There'll be nothing but dust when the vultures have left

Forged in the essence of the unholy flames

By the first angel once fallen from the skies

The war hounds of hell can't be stopped on our march

To extinguish the goodness and lies

Panzer division Marduk continues its triumphant crusade

Against Christianity and your worthless humanity

 

You're Atheist, you don't believe in Heaven or Hell.

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Sorry for going all Grammar Nazi on your asses' date=' but the "a" in "atheist" shouldn't really be capitalized. Just sayin'.

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Proper nouns, lol.

 

Also, cute panda is cute.

 

EDIT: Way to be a Grammar Nazi, you completely missed I used "your" where "you're" would've gone.

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