Graceful Charity: Discussion

[Thomas★Zero]

InB4 Hand Destruction replaced it

[-Griffin]

...It's not a +1, you forgot to count that you also lose Graceful itself.

 

And it is banned because it's a staple. It's basically, "when you draw this card, you can choose any of the other top 3 cards of your Deck instead" and you also get the chance to have more than 1 of the top cards of your Deck and just lose something from from your hand.

Oh, and it works with Darkworlds or other things that activate/are targeted in the Graveyard.

 

There's never a reason to NOT run it, it's instantly going to make your hand better. Konami generally bans cards which are going to be in EVERY Deck without fail and don't add anything to the game. This is one of those.

[Jolta]

Imagine, use it, you die, you deck out...

 

That is, if you're stupid enough to overuse it.

Revive from grave, use, do the same thing... There, you died.

[-Griffin]

Jolta, competitive games normally last around 3-6 turns, maybe a bit more this format.

No-one ever Decks out, ever.

[Jolta]

Jolta' date=' competitive games normally last around 3-6 turns, maybe a bit more this format.

No-one ever Decks out, ever.

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Oh, pitiful, pity.

[Thomas★Zero]

except lightsworn due yo what they all do XD

[-Griffin]

If Lightsworns Deckout, you're playing them really badly =/

Lightsworns end games even faster than most Decks this format/

[Jolta]

So, I'm gonna view its bad counterpart...

 

Effect of its counterpart:

Both players add cards discarded to the Graveyard by the effect of a Spell Card that was activated this turn to their hands.

 

That's Disgraceful Charity. You could use it.

 

But it doesn't exist. I wonder if a card with the same effect exists.

[iAmNateXero]

Im guessing you didn't read the announcement. To save yourself from a 10% warn, I suggest you place GRACEFUL CHARITY in the title ASAP.

[Toffee.]

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....And maybe something like:

Discard 2 cards to activate. Draw 3 cards. You can only activate 1 "Graceful Charity" per turn.

[-Griffin]

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....And maybe something like:

Discard 2 cards to activate. Draw 3 cards. You can only activate 1 "Graceful Charity" per turn.

 

Still overly splashable.

"lose the worst half of your starting hand for a re-draw. Oh, and you can dump things that work in the Graveyard."

[iAmNateXero]

The game doesn't want to give everybody generic draw power with an equalizer/ or plus. Its all Negative!

[Toffee.]

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....And maybe something like:

Discard 2 cards to activate. Draw 3 cards. You can only activate 1 "Graceful Charity" per turn.

 

Still overly splashable.

"lose the worst half of your starting hand for a re-draw. Oh' date=' and you can dump things that work in the Graveyard."

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Draw 3 cards' date=' then shuffle 2 Spell cards in your hand back into your deck. If you cannot, shuffle your whole hand back into your deck.[/quote']

 

Better?

[-Griffin]

Much - amazing in Trundo/ME Decks, but I don't think it'd kill the game.

[zombiepromking]

If Lightsworns Deckout' date=' you're playing them really badly =/

Lightsworns end games even faster than most Decks this format/

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I've made LS deck-out and it was by far the funniest thing ever.

 

OT: It's just a bit too much of a draw engine. Have 2 cards in your hand, activate this, drop what you don't want and you're goo. This card's whole discarding method is pretty useful too. So it isn't necessarily OP'ed, it's just that it doesn't benefit the game nor add anything to it.

[Bull3tM0nk3y]

You did your math WRONG!

 

3 (because of the effect)

-2 (because of the effect)

---

1

-1 (because it's effect has been used and and it's not a (∞) spell so it goes to the Graveyard)

---

0

+1 (your draw phase)

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1

 

Wait, what? Eather your right (because it figures to 1) or your wrong (because you skipped a few things).

[-Griffin]

...Why the hell are you counting the Draw Phase? This thing doesn't give you an extra Draw Phase, that doesn't count, otherwise you could say that EVERY card gets +1 because you have a Draw Phase that turn.

[Bull3tM0nk3y]

NO, that's for your next turn.

[-Griffin]

You'd get that one anyway .-.

So you don't count it as part of the advantage.

[iAmNateXero]

You'd get that one anyway .-.

So you don't count it as part of the advantage.

 

ITLP: Draw Phase is no longer a game mechanic.

[-Griffin]

You'd get that one anyway .-.

So you don't count it as part of the advantage.

 

ITLP: Draw Phase is no longer a game mechanic.

 

Exactly

[Guest PikaPerson01]

I've made LS deck-out and it was by far the funniest thing ever.

 

Unless you main Needle Worm and stuff, no, you didn't make them deck out. They made themselves deck out.

 

On-topic: Really nothing to discuss here. Especially since even more stuff that works in the grave has been released since Graceful Charity was banned. Mezuki, Plaguespreader Zombie, Treeborn Frog, Malicious, Necro Gardna, and themed revival. Not to mention this card is pretty much a staple. You absolutely run it in every deck, no questions asked.

[Morgan LeFlay]

I've made Lightsworns deck themselves out by running last warrior from another planet. Gfg.

 

To be on topic, broken card is broken, although it wouldn't completely ruin the game if it came back to 1.

[tonisanoob]

im glad this isnt about anymore causes too many broked combos

[Toffee.]

im glad this isnt about anymore causes too many broked combos

 

Whats funny, is that it lasted longer then Pot of Greed