Andx Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Not Ichigo's Hollow's @ss. But who could hope to stand against the worst monster in the Bleach universe?EDIT: Are you kidding? Ichigo defeated Zaraki with only his Shikai. I would say Ichigo is high captain level. And how could number 2 and 4 be vastro lordes when 1 and 3 aren't? And Hitsugaya only would've killed her because it was an amazing and out of no where attack. And about Kyoraku, please remember that he's like the 2nd or 3rd strongest captain, it makes sense that his games could kill Stark. Regardless, it's unimportant now as Aizen and the other 2 captains are all that's left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enma Kozato Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Okay' date=' I researched it. Your right about Aizen not saying that none of the Espada are Vasto Lordes, he just says he deosn't have enough to fill the ten Espada. Although, Vasto Lordes are supposed to have strength behond that of a captain. Toshiro would of killed hallibel if wonderweiss didn't save her (let's face it, toshiro isn't one of the strongest captains), and Shunsui killed Stark with his Shikai alone. To me that leaves only Barragon and Ulquiorra as possible Vasto Lordes. Barragon's strength comes from his near god-like, and cheap, ability not necessarally his spiritual pressure. Ulquiorra was never shown fighting a captain so you can't be sure. Ichigo doesn't count as a captain, his strength can be best compared to toshiro's sense they both seem to use there Bankai's frequently in order to fight Arrancar, and Toshiro definiteley has more experience than Ichigo. So with all of this, I have doubts that any of the Espada were Vasto Lordes.[/quote'] ichigo has defeated like 3 captains: kempachi a true kickass caPTAIN AND BYAKUYA SO ID SAY HE DOES QUALIFY AS A CAPTAIN srry caps lok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowblade Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I think you kinda aid my point, if any of the Espada 1-4 were Vasto Lorde then they definitely would still be alive right now.EDIT: chase, I don't count Ichigo as a captain for the sole reason of his lack of experience. The only reason he defeated Ulquiorra is because of his hollows powers, which other captains don't have. Kenpachi admitted during his fight with the 5th that he would die if the fight continued. Ichigo's and Kenpachi's fight ended ina draw, if Ichigo was at full power against the 5th then he would of done near as well as Kenpachi. Also, Byakuya defeated the 7th Espada, who is obviously not a Vasto Lorde, though against that kind of enemy, Ichigo would of lost because he did not have sufficient experience that Byakuya had in order to defeat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enma Kozato Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 no im saying ichigo is stronger than two f the strongest captains so therefore he would stand a chance against vasto lordes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Well let's look at it. Barragan died because Hachi's own rotting arm got sent into Barragan's stomach as a last-ditch effort on Hachi's part. Not much anyone could do about that. He even stopped Soi Fon's bankai from hurting him so I'd say he's a potential Vastro Lordes. Ulquiorra had a second release which made him ridiculously powerful so it's probably safe to say he was. Harribel would've been killed by an experimental move on Hitsugaya's part that he wasn't sure would work. As she was caught off guard you can't say getting caught in that doesn't make her a Vastro Lordes. Stark fought off two former captain Visored and lost to Kyoraku's ridiculously overpowered shikai. Let's not forget that Stark was so powerful that he had to split into two people to effectively seal his power. Kyoraku took a big risk to kill him as well. Had he missed his hollow hole and Stark had declared black and cut him, he would've died. Stark lost to like the second most powerful shinigami and most of the fight he was on equal terms with him. They all show higher than captain level battle capacities and their releases were all very humanoid, so it is safe to say that the top four were all Vastro lordes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 ok Ichigo is only that powerful because his dad was a captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 and lets face it, if not for Ichigo completely surprising Ulquiorra by coming back to life for a second time with a ridiculously powerful new Hollow form and firing a frickin cero at point blank range, Ulquiorra wold have completely kicked ass and ended the entire thing then and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Actually the hollow form would've destroyed him regardless. But the fact of the matter is that Ichigo is only that powerful because he's the main character and the main character has to be the strongest. Not to mention that Ichigo's a complete and total cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enma Kozato Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Ichig dont cheat hes just that awesme i wuld have rather had Ichigo kill uquiorra other than anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 and get this: the first time they fought in los noches, Ulqui survived a direct hit from the black Getsuga Tenshou, with Ichigo in his hollow form, and won in under five minutes without even thinking about drawing his sword. I just feel that anything below vasto lordes would've died from the black Getsuga Tenshou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I understand what you're saying D.M. Girl.And as to why Ichigo is a cheater: he loses multiple gallons of blood per battle, he suddenly gets stronger out of nowhere in each important fight, he's died twice (though coming back wasn't his fault). The list continues in this manner. Being the main character he has to do these things but it's quite ridiculous the extent that Ichigo does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Plus Ichigo's dad is a Soul Reaper too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 that shouldn't matter. Neither Karin nor Yuzu come close to level of power Ichigo displays, and they have exactly the same ancestry. Ichigo's just a freak accident of nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enma Kozato Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 true but hes a kicka$$ freak accident of nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Both of the above statements are true. Could you imagine Bleach if Ichigo wasn't so overpowered? He would've died in the first episode and that would've been that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 What if Ichigo's mother was also a soul Reaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enma Kozato Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 that was not true if ichigos mother was a soul reaper then she wuldnt have been killed by a hollow so easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 ya then Ichigo would be like Superman Soul Reaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowblade Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hmmm...speaking of Ichigo's mom, wouldn't be possible for her to of turned into a Hollow. I'm not sure, but I definitely heard somewhere that souls devoured by hollows become hollows themselves. Correct me on this, but think about, how awesome would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 We seen that in one episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowblade Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 See what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enma Kozato Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 now see her sul wasnt devoured by a hollow her physical being was kiled by oneOMG the ftk got lcked noooooooooooez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hollow turning a soul in to a hollow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowblade Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 then what do you think happens when a hollow kills a living person...oh, that's right, THEY EAT THERE SOUL!Hollow turning a soul in to a hollowyeah, that's what happened in the anime with orihime's brother, but in the manga he just turned into a hollow out of his own lonliness and despair. Even his name was different. (manga=kakei, anime=sora) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I see he even says that why he turn into a hollow because he was lonliness and despair and that how the other hollows found him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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