CONTINUED: Democracy on YCM!

[Katoki]

I wasnt talking about MODs I was talking about admins I mean they might think some of the stuff(that MODs dont like and lock for any reason) is a good idea that they can do.

[Dark Mousy]

Whatever... Point is there needs to be some central power governing YCM.

[YGOMartini]

There already is. The Site Admin. Lead. is the boss of all the other admins/mods, and then both of them are the boss of the members. We follow their rules, and it makes everything easy, simple, and organized. I think the "Democracy" would get confusing, because we'd have to know every little specific thing just not to do something wrong, and to do something right. I've been thinking about it, and I think everything is fine as is. Good luck with all of this!

[Archelaus]

Whatever... Point is there needs to be some central power governing YCM.

 

YCMaker is the central power governing YCM. Even if he doesn't always interact with other users.

[Dark Mousy]

That's what I meant.... There is. Democracy will screw that over.

[Archelaus]

That's what I meant.... There is. Democracy will screw that over.

 

People just want to have more power than YCMaker. And they use Democracy as an excuse for it.lol.

[Darth Duelist]

For people who say democracy has been proven stupid, you are totally wrong. US and Canada are a gr8 example of democracies. Democracy comes from the greek words "demos", meaning people, and "cratos", meaning power. Democracy therefore means "people-power", which means citizens of the country are granted power and they choose their own leaders. So that is why democracy is a gr8 form of goverment for you people that don't think so.

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That's what I meant.... There is. Democracy will screw that over.

 

People just want to have more power than YCMaker. And they use Democracy as an excuse for it.lol.

 

 

Thats what YOU might do, but most people are that evil. Power is shared so all people will have equal power.

[Luna Lovegood]

Democracy comes from the name of the guy who invented it.

[OMGAKITTY]

For people who say democracy has been proven stupid' date=' you are totally wrong. US and Canada are a gr8 example of democracies. Democracy comes from the greek words "demos", meaning people, and "cratos", meaning power. Democracy therefore means "people-power", which means citizens of the country are granted power and they choose their own leaders. So that is why democracy is a gr8 form of goverment for you people that don't think so.[hr']

That's what I meant.... There is. Democracy will screw that over.

 

People just want to have more power than YCMaker. And they use Democracy as an excuse for it.lol.

 

 

Thats what YOU might do' date=' but most people are that evil. Power is shared so all people will have equal power.

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I like how you use current day countries that aren't even true democracies as examples of why democracy is great. I also like how you use the word origins for democracy to (somehow) prove that democracy is awesome.

 

Two words for you:

Mob.

Mentality.

[Chaos Pudding]

Democracy comes from the name of the guy who invented it.

 

δημοκρατία is not a person's name. Nor is dêmos. Krátos by itself just means "power". So no, democracy does not come from the name of the guy who invented it.

[CrabHelmet]

Scenario time!

 

A man is going around shooting people with a camera gun! What do you do?

 

a) Have the police come and stop him.

 

b) Conduct a national poll to determine whether the police should become involved and what actions they should take and what punishment the man should take and what color the police uniforms ought to be and whether it might be appropriate to bring in a woodchuck to chuck wood.

 

Class, this quiz will count as 2% of your grade for the semester.

[Archelaus]

I love how this thread is becoming more and more inactive.:)

[Windowlicker]

If this isn't gonna get locked, it might as well get moved to General.

[Junk Raver]

Everytime i log onto this site theres at least 100 reported posts, not becos mods are not dealing with them, but the amount of idiots and also minimods has surely risen alot.

 

To give a description to members of every single reported post is just like wtf, its far too time consuming and why would anyone want to waste their life writing such dribble.

 

OMGZZ MY POST IS REPORTEDD I NEEDZZ TO KNOWZZZ

 

seriously. just no.

 

Pretty much every forum has moderators that ban people without giving the public knowledge of why, its common, why should we be different.

 

We did have a ban thread, it failed, like 3 times.

 

This thread is just gay to be honest.

[Muluck]

If I am not mistaken the owner of this forum pays quite a big deal of money to keep his or hers servers. These dedicated servers which give you your special YCM, cost at least 100 dollars a month.

 

Given that reasoning, the owner of this forum has the right to let his or her Moderators do whatever they want. But he or she, from the looks of it has taken the time to help his or her Moderators come up with a set of rules that each member must abide by. Including the Moderators themselves.

 

Of course it is obvious that there will always a set of people complaining about the rules. But just like in real life, it is always the ones struck by the hand of judgement.

[Archelaus]

If I am not mistaken the owner of this forum pays quite a big deal of money to keep his or hers servers. These dedicated servers which give you your special YCM' date=' cost at least 100 dollars a month.

 

Given that reasoning, the owner of this forum has the right to let his or her Moderators do whatever they want. But he or she, from the looks of it has taken the time to help his or her Moderators come up with a set of rules that each member must abide by. Including the Moderators themselves.

 

Of course it is obvious that there will always a set of people complaining about the rules. But just like in real life, it is always the ones struck by the hand of judgement.

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this^^

[CinnamonStar]

0_o You talk as if YCM was a real country run by real "rulers".

I like how people on this forum think they're victims of tyranny and compare everything to real life.

Internet =/= the Roman Empire or Stalin or real life politics

 

As for dictators, I can say the mods on here are pretty laid-back and usually the ones who don't get their point across. As far as I know you can talk to them in a "democratical" way via PM and most of them reply without killing you. If you have a problem with the rules, there's a thread in most of the sections and usually they're still open for discussion.

 

Also:

Pretty much every forum has moderators that ban people without giving the public knowledge of why' date=' its common, why should we be different.

 

We did have a ban thread, it failed, like 3 times.

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[Muluck]

I am obviously not going to support this, but I will be curteous enough to give you an explanation as to why.

 

To do this without speaking over your head, I will give you an everyday example:

 

A guy-we'll call him Guy #1- robs a grocery store, nobody was hurt. The cops chase him, catch him and arrest him.

 

-The punishment for this guy is that he serves 1 month in jail, with a degree of Theft on his records.

 

Now, Guy #2, he robs a jewlery store. This time the clerk is killed and several are injured. The cop chase him on a high speed chase, several cars get into a crash until finaly the guy is subdued and arreste.

 

-The punishment for Guy#2 is substantially worse. He is arrested and put in a security jail, until his Court Hearing. Where he will be charged of first degree murder, several charges of atempt in murder and a life sentence in prison.

 

Now you may ask why I used these particular stories, the explanation is below if you are willing to read further.

 

Officers have the authority to make their own decisions when in the Line of Duty, as long as portrays the same ideas as their oath and their law. Unless the cop is suspected of some duranged attitude or attempt during their time in the Line of Duty, their actions are not questioned but recorded to keep logs of each officer.

In Guy#1's case, the officers actions were not questioned.

The same goes for Guy#2, the officers actions again were not questioned. But since Guy#2's list of offences were much heftier than Guy#1 he was sent to court.

 

This is where my point clicks in. We as members do not have the right to say what Moderators should and should not do. Because we have not been given the right. The reason being is because the Moderators cannot expect every single member to be mature enough to handle the everyday life of Moderating YCM. To make a thread demanding that the Moderators incorporate the Members of YCM in the charges or other members, is absurd. To demand a detail explanation of why things have occured, is out right selfish.

 

The only people that would-if desired- dicuss warning percentages, bannings, and even lockings are the moderators themselves.

 

Still not clicking in? Let me explain it this way. If your thread was accepted, it would require the Moderators to keep a detailed list of all their actions the update one solidary thread so that all the members could read it. This is more work for the Moderators, causing more stress, that really shouldn't even exist on an Internet Forum. I'm sorry but this isn't Real Life, the rules you live by out there, are changed when you come here.

 

The only thing that could make this work-which will never happen- is that if a Special Member Group was created and say it were to be called, Jurors. This would require a hidden forum to be created that could only be seen by the Moderators and the Jurors. In that forum the discussion of punishment would be hammered out. But like I said, this will never happen.

[CinnamonStar]

Well like you said it won't happen but just wondering, who says these jurors would be 100% neutral and unbiased? Or why not promote them to mods right away if they're so reasonable?

 

Well right now there's a staff forum anyway and they all have access to the mods log so if someone disagrees there are ways to discuss punishment in there.

 

Also, there's a way to revoke warnings and lift bans. Super mods can lift any ban.

 

To Darth Duelist: I still think that PMing mods is the best way if you want democracy. Most of them reply and won't be evil to you or anything.

[Muluck]

Well like you said it won't happen but just wondering' date=' who says these jurors would be 100% neutral and unbiased? Or why not promote them to mods right away if they're so reasonable?

 

Well right now there's a staff forum anyway and they all have access to the mods log so if someone disagrees there are ways to discuss punishment in there.

 

Also, there's a way to revoke warnings and lift bans. Super mods can lift any ban.

 

To Darth Duelist: I still think that PMing mods is the best way if you want democracy. Most of them reply and won't be evil to you or anything.

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Well like you said it won't happen but just wondering, who says these jurors would be 100% neutral and unbiased?

 

Not step over any boundaries, but who says all the Moderators are 100% neutral and unbiased? We don't know this, we can never know this. It is called chance and good faith.

 

Or why not promote them to mods right away if they're so reasonable?

 

It could be used as a casting table yes. You watch them debate the rules, see how they handle themselves. It in my opinion is a lot better to see how someone acts when they are given a power to use. You can pick any guy out from a crowd to be the Jockey for your horse, but you run the risk of picking somone who is afraid of horses. You see what I am getting at?

 

Also, there's a way to revoke warnings and lift bans. Super mods can lift any ban.

 

I don't remember mentioning that there wasn't.

Let me ask you something, have you ever been on Jury Duty? Or even mock Jury duties in school? The Jurors discuss these cases in a private room under the mediation of a higher authority. Allowing what this member wants would cause mass arguements, because these things are not meant to be discussed with the vast general public.

[Admiral Tim]

for the last time my message is short muluck and others are long but we have the same purpose on the web democracy = communism the only way there will be law online is with monarchy the admin picking mods. End of discussion i have summed everything up for you.

[Ezio]

Just let the mod's do what they do, if you don't like it stop being a dick. You're truly just jealous because you're not a moderator. Seriously, why so passionate about democracy on an internet forum, not a country with millions of people being killed by dictators, a forum with hunrdeds-thousands of active members where the worst thing than can happen to you is you'll be banned, not starved, or abused, or killed. Banned from on site on the vast worldwide internet. Now please, drop it, and carry on with your life/posting on ycm.

[Alordzynix]

Never knew YCM was a dictatorship, we should get ourselves a symbol and a greating. Long Live the Great Nation of YCM!

 

This "nation" was created by our great founder YCMaker, our lord and master. We all willingly joined this forum to help him in his dream to Internet domination. By applying for a Permanent residency for these holy lands you by all knowledge agreed to listen to the great state police, a group of elites all appointed by the great founder himself. By undermining them, your undermining the holy lord and there for should be banished from these lands. If you do not agree to this (anymore) than you should immigrate to an other country because you are not bounded to this one and free to leave at any time.

 

We are still revering to YCM as the real world right?

 

Could give one other forum that has at least as many (active) members as this one, that has a "Democracy" but isn't a chaos.

[Muluck]

for the last time my message is short muluck and others are long but we have the same purpose on the web democracy = communism the only way there will be law online is with monarchy the admin picking mods. End of discussion i have summed everything up for you.

 

I'm sorry, I don't remember speaking to you. In fact none of my posts were directed towards you.

I do not see how the runnings of an internet forum could ever be listed as Communism. I never attacked your opinion, I merely stated a position for both sides. I stated a neutral position, why must you think I do not get what you guys are talking about? Again this comes around to the fact that I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the creator of this thread, then again to Opal Moon.

[.Requiem]

OMG!!!!!11!!11!11!!!11!1!

 

BUST IDEA EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

IZ SUPPORT!