Darkest Hour Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 So, the top tier decks so far are Blackwings, Lightsworn, and ummmm....Gladiator Beasts. Correct? And now for something you will really like, Glad Beasts are apparently meta. I learned something today! So far, arguements on the meta being too fast for most cards to survive befuddle me. I never comprehended the word fast. Do you mean that they can flood the field and get more done in one turn? that they can search eachother out faster than others? That their summons are more immediate? Also, I think Konami is making powerful cards and making them really hard to get thinking that only a small minority will use it is stupid, because all in all, as long as they EXIST, someone is going to get them, and put 3 of them in a deck and get everyone to say "I hate that funking card." This isn't a "oh I hate Judgment Dragon" sentence, I'm just simply stating their rarities based on overpoweredness and thinking making it really rare is going to stop it from Smashing the meta to pieces isn't working. Also, which deck would you run if the meta wasn't this chaotic? I personally want to run Horus Lockdown or Relinquished Lava. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I don't get why konami makes a card and then bans them, only a few, glad that blackwing gale is limited, otherwise i would scream. i would like to run elemental hero deck, A GOOD ONE. It's a shame that with all these new cards, elemental heros are outdated, not many people use them anymore, unless u can't play the game well. i was playing today and i saw someone have blue eyes ultimate dragon in his hand and normal summoned dark magician -.-? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Fast is comparing it to the older style of Yugioh back when Synchros weren't here yet... good times. When we say "this meta is too fast" we are talking about the fact that a deck can OTK in like 2 turns... it's basically "BATTLE OF THE GOOD HANDS!!!" cuz if you have a bad first hand... you can pretty much kiss your butt goodbye. Edit: The reason Konami makes cards and then ban them is because they didn't see all of the strategy with them. DSF doingo only 200 per star didn't seem overpowered... until you take into account the insane amounts of summons in one turn -.- If the meta weren't so fast, I would play... I dunno, Hopeless Dragon? Always seemed fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I don't get why konami makes a card and then bans them' date=' only a few, glad that blackwing gale is limited, otherwise i would scream. i would like to run elemental hero deck, A GOOD ONE. It's a shame that with all these new cards, elemental heros are outdated, not many people use them anymore, unless u can't play the game well. i was playing today and i saw someone have blue eyes ultimate dragon in his hand and normal summoned dark magician -.-? [b']Elemental heros ftw[/b] ^^!Fast is comparing it to the older style of Yugioh back when Synchros weren't here yet... good times. When we say "this meta is too fast" we are talking about the fact that a deck can OTK in like 2 turns... it's basically "BATTLE OF THE GOOD HANDS!!!" cuz if you have a bad first hand... you can pretty much kiss your butt goodbye. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Fat Guy Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 fast applies to how quick one can achieve their goals. if its a mill deck, like mine, you can consider it fast if it kills in 2-3 turns. (consistently) if its a swarm deck, you can consider it fast if it flows the field with trolly beaters in a turn or so. in terms of speed, its a bid hard to comprehend at first. traps, which are technically the highest spell speed, are really the slowest sts. (some variation within the category). theyre slow because you have to set them, then wait for an opportunity to play them. 1 turn minimum. its sad that thats enough to judge something slow.cards like sangan, tomato, etc arent even fast enough these days.its funking sad. anyway, my answer is mill. and konami bans cards because they dont anticipate certain loops or locks or just how over powered the card will be. we honestly cannot expect them to. thats ridiculous. granted, some op cards should be predictable, but they probably didnt foresee the butterfly dagger loop, for example. and thats to be expected. [/troll] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 what the actual funk, incase you hadnt noticed aside from the odd lucksack victory from lightswrn, this is not a fast meta! blackwings arnt good anymore, as i have played against vayu decks and they are not good! they are average! also why did you score gladiator beasts name out?they are still a teir 1 deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosuke Kiryu Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Lol at Glads not meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 and konami bans cards because they dont anticipate certain loops or locks or just how over powered the card will be. we honestly cannot expect them to. thats ridiculous. granted' date=' some op cards should be predictable, but they probably didnt foresee the butterfly dagger loop, for example. and thats to be expected. [/troll'] That's true, but they should have seen DAD and JD :/ The cards that are only OP in combos I can understand, like Premature Burial, that card is only OP with Brionac and CoSR, but others that are OP in-and-of themselves... no, that's just failure to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.F.Yuji Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I just wish people these days would be more original at Tournaments or something, I get that BW, LS and GB have what it takes to win, and are meta decks, but facing them over and over is just downright annoying, You'll never see me use one... Also[spoiler=Yu-Gi-Oh! Flowchart]I would just once like to see somebody do something witty or innovative on YCM and then not have 20 people try to imitate him/her.[/Quote]QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 what the actual f***' date=' incase you hadnt noticed aside from the odd lucksack victory from lightswrn, this is not a fast meta! blackwings arnt good anymore, as i have played against vayu decks and they are not good! they are average! [b']also why did you score gladiator beasts name out?they are still a teir 1 deck[/b] So true. It's true that the meta slowed a bit, but it's still fast. Just because a few decks became slower doesn't mean it can't be insanly fast. Sure BWs became slower, but they havne't become slow, and while GBs aren't uber fast, they are definatly faster than most decks. Ever since Synchros came out the meta has been fast and it isn't going to ever really slow down, the only thing it can do is become slightly slower, but as said before, slower doesn't mean slow. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Well, I'm going to try building a Tempest OTK that I netdecked (with some changes). It's fast, probably faster then any deck even before September 1st. If you get a good hand, anyways =PBut the whole point of the deck is that you almost always get a good hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I just wish people these days would be more original at Tournaments or something' date=' I get that BW, LS and GB have what it takes to win, and are meta decks, but facing them over and over is just downright annoying, You'll never see me use one... Also[spoiler=Yu-Gi-Oh! Flowchart][/Quote]QFT. XD Nice, +rep to Fat Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I just wish people these days would be more original at Tournaments or something' date=' I get that BW, LS and GB have what it takes to win, and are meta decks, but facing them over and over is just downright annoying, You'll never see me use one... Also[spoiler=Yu-Gi-Oh! Flowchart]I would just once like to see somebody do something witty or innovative on YCM and then not have 20 people try to imitate him/her.[/Quote]QFT. the harsh truth is you are bad at the game if you think this, every deck that is played it unique, everyone that wants to win plays a good deck built to their own standards @DAZ no how you see it is, the top decks are fast in comparison to your deck.how it really is the top deck are slow, the bad decks are really slow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 what the actual f***' date=' incase you hadnt noticed aside from the odd lucksack victory from lightswrn, this is not a fast meta![/quote'] Except it still is a very fast meta. Simply not as fast as DAD Return, but still very fast. blackwings arnt good anymore' date=' as i have played against vayu decks and they are not good! they are average![/quote'] I agree that Vayu Turbo isn't 'the best deck out there', but if you've played with/against a good one, you should have noticed how fast they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.F.Yuji Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I just wish people these days would be more original at Tournaments or something' date=' I get that BW, LS and GB have what it takes to win, and are meta decks, but facing them over and over is just downright annoying, You'll never see me use one... Also[spoiler=Yu-Gi-Oh! Flowchart]I would just once like to see somebody do something witty or innovative on YCM and then not have 20 people try to imitate him/her.[/Quote]QFT. the harsh truth is you are bad at the game if you think this, every deck that is played it unique, everyone that wants to win plays a good deck built to their own standards Oh, so now I'm bad at the game just cause I complain about GB's, BW's and LS getting overused. My form of 'unique' is people using different decks, GB, LS and BW aren't unique anymore IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 @DAZ no how you see it is' date=' the top decks are fast in comparison to your deck.how it really is the top deck are slow, the bad decks are really slow![/quote'] Oh, so you are saying if a deck consistently kills withen 2-3 turns it's slow? That makes perfect sense :/what the actual f***' date=' incase you hadnt noticed aside from the odd lucksack victory from lightswrn, this is not a fast meta![/quote'] Except it still is a very fast meta. Simply not as fast as DAD Return, but still very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 anyway' date=' my answer is mill. [/troll'] Mill isn't fast enough yet. They can have a fast Duel in case of a great opening hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow™ Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 We need an Ojameta! *gets shot*And BW are not gone. We lost 2 Gale but we still have 3 Whirlwind. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 We need an Ojameta! *gets shot*And BW are not gone. We lost 2 Gale but we still have 3 Whirlwind. 8) And you didn't lose any DSFs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 So far' date=' arguements on the meta being too fast for most cards to survive befuddle me. I never comprehended the word fast.[/quote'] The term "fast" typically means that duels are short, because they end so fast. Either new rules can make a duel "fast", or new cards can make a deck "fast". Blackwings swarm like crazy, and can easily get a whole lot of stuff on the field, and probably even push for game if they use up their entire hand, assuming your opponent can't counter. (And for the sake of most argument we should assume your opponent can't counter, because if they can then just about nothing stays bannable.) Lightsworn likewise, can swarm with ridiculous ease (Wulf and Lumina), at times without even requiring input from the user of the deck, in the case of Wulf. With the help of Judgment Dragon, it's not uncommon for duels to be over by the second or third turn. The reason some cards are deemed "not quick enough" are that they can't maximize their potential all within a turn, or their effects are lackluster in comparison to cards like Celestia or Gyzarus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow™ Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 We need an Ojameta! *gets shot*And BW are not gone. We lost 2 Gale but we still have 3 Whirlwind. 8) And you didn't lose any DSFs?I sold my 2 DSF for $90 a few weeks before. 8)And they still ran fine without DSF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Yeah, you lost pretty much the only consistently good level 7 tuner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 The reason I crossed out Glad Beasts was because only 1 person ran them here, and they beat lightsworn and lost to Vayu Turbo. I wasn't sure how dominant Glad Beasts were yet. So I will discross out the Glad Beasts if they truely are, Metal Meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 you based that on 1 deck! (40) (20) - monsters 2 gb laquari1 gb hoplomos1 gb equeste2 gb samnite1 gb bestiari1 gb murmillo1 gb darius1 gb retiari3 test tigers1 e hero prisma1 rescue cat1 summoner monk2 x-saber airbellum1 sangan (11) - spells 2 gladiatior proving ground3 book of moon1 heavy storm1 mst1 brain control1 cold wave 2 my body as a sheild (9) - traps 1 call of the haunted3 gb war chariot1 torrential tribute1 mirror force2 bottomless trap hole1 mirror wall theres my deck now tell me that isnt meta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 it's not meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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