Big Bad Pennar Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I'll fight until the Clause is gone. You can't just force everyone to 'improve' like that. Everything takes it's own time to grow. Exactly, One cannot Force another to improve Dramatically, Each RPer is like a Plant, Some, Like Me, and whoever Supports the Advanced Clause, Grow like Weeds when it comes to RPing, Taking in knowledge around us, while others are like trees, They Grow Very Slowly.... Base each RPer by How Fast they grow and take in knowledge when it comes to RPing, Let Us Improve in our own Pace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisu Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Right. Because of the ADvanced Clause and your opinions about it, that'll mean that all School of Roleplays would be pointless. Again, let things grow by themselves. Take school for example. You do the same things over and over again, but slowly, you improve, wether it be getting faster at maths, or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Also' date=' if you're in a conversation, it's impossible to follow the Advance Clause. I ended up putting in random stuff in my posts because of that. I agree with the tagging, though I think the FreeForm shouldn't be there. I have several friends who use Script Format, and I admit, I dislike it, BUT it's better to roleplay with fun posts that don't have much description rather than long boring posts. The Advanced Clause didn't really effect myself personally, though it affected what was around me. Threads are dying, and you're still squabling about Post Quality. Just wait for the forum to die, that'll be best for you. The Advanced Clause killed this area of the site. I'm spending most of my time absentmindedly clicking around the site doing nothing now. [/quote'] Same here. I was intending to post in here, but the Advanced Clause has changed my mind about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Well either way, we are hoping to come to some conclusion next monday on how to make everyone happy. I merely wanted to get an idea of everyone's feelings, and what we (me, Rinne, and Shadius) can do to make everyone as a whole happy and not leave people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Abarai Renji:. Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I'll fight until the Clause is gone. You can't just force everyone to 'improve' like that. Everything takes it's own time to grow. Exactly' date=' One cannot Force another to improve Dramatically, Each RPer is like a Plant, Some, Like Me, and whoever Supports the Advanced Clause, Grow like Weeds when it comes to RPing, Taking in knowledge around us, while others are like trees, They Grow Very Slowly.... Base each RPer by How Fast they grow and take in knowledge when it comes to RPing, [b']Let Us Improve in our own Pace![/b] I, as an RPing maniac, and a pretty decent one, fully support this line. I think we all need to improve in out own pace, and should therefore not be dragged in a leash of advanced sentences and long posts. Though the AC rule is good for those who already ARE elite RPers(stares at Supreme), we need to take heed to those who aren't Elites yet, but may one day be. Let us evolve in our own pace, and not be forced to work beyond our physical, mental, and/or personal limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-sama Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I believe that my label system allows lower level RPers to develop their personal style in the appropriate environment while still allowing the Elites to RP at the high level. If a mod could give an opinion on it, we could possibly quell this civil war once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 There is opposition...The fact that almost half the people voted against it should call for a change right there.Like I said in my old thread, the ac HAS helped AND hindered our progress. What I suggest is, if someone makes an rp and wants his rpers to post a minimum length of sorts, they should simply post it as a rule. If they don't, then they would simply say there is no minimum. I think this will seperate the 'fun' and the 'serious' rp's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeshooter Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 The thing is' date=' you haven't experienced trying to RP with people who respond with a single line. It's infuriating trying to develop an RP with only single lines to work with.[/quote'] I know how that is considering I used to get yelled at for it when I first started Roleplaying. Anyway, I know what you mean. I doubt that. Merciful Idiot, you have NO idea. Oh, and Blazinghydra, there is a problem with the first tag in your idea. "Free-Form" Roleplaying, with one line posts is that if they are reported, and somebody is given a warning, that person would say "I was just Roleplaying!" or something along that general statement. I support the Advanced Clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Merciful Idiot Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I doubt that. Merciful Idiot' date=' you have NO idea.[/quote']You're the one who has no idea. You'll see what I mean once I get bored of this site and want to leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Tell me this, how is writing 4 lines (which can be done in a minute) forcing someone to improve DRAMATICALLY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeshooter Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I will now sig this quote, as it's the truth. And for some people, four lines can be done in less than a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Perhaps if our two groups cannot live together under the Advanced Clause' date=' maybe we can institute a label system. Here's what I'm thinking: [FFRP'] : Stands for Free Form RolePlay. Threads marked as such are completely free from the Advanced Clause and RPers on these threads are free to one-line post and RPspam to their hearts content like they want so badly. Higher level RPing is encouraged, but is not required.Read: Spamfest. [MLRP] : Stands for Mid Level RolePlay. Threads marked as such have a watered down version of the Advanced Clause applied to them, making for better RPing quality for maturing RPers who are tired of the FFRP. Any FreeForm RolePlay is not admitted in these threads, but Advanced Level RPing is welcome and encouraged.This is the lowest possible level. [ALRP] : Stands for Advanced Level RolePlay. Threads marked with this label is for the Advanced Clause Loyalists like me. Here, in these threads, the Advanced Clause is in full effect and high quality RPs are the standard. Any unmarked threads are either Moderator announcements or spam. I believe that this label system could allow Advanced Clause lovers and haters to peacefully co-exist with eachother. Apparently, the AC haters are not willing to be guided by the AC, so we should let them learn that it is a good thing through lower level RPs. Who thinks this is a good idea? I honestly believe this is the best option (Short of adding an Advance RP subforum), but this would require every RP to be "tagged". What are the chances that everyone's going to remember to tag every one of their RPs? You could lock every one that doesn't adhere to the rule, but that's liable to cause even more controversy and flaming than this already has. So we'd need some way to automatically add tags to our titles (Such as an option in the thread creation menu), but unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that's impossible without getting the Admin involved...RP creation is like story creation: It requires a lot of effort. They don't tag it, it's they're own fault. At the very least, the Gamemasters should be elite, even if the players want to be morons. Although I don't RP' date=' I think that it should be removed. I believe that RP people should have fun role-playing and not be restricted to long posts.[/quote']Don't complain about shows you don't watch. I doubt that.Don't complain about shows you don't watch. I'll fight until the Clause is gone. You can't just force everyone to 'improve' like that. Everything takes it's own time to grow. Exactly' date=' One cannot Force another to improve Dramatically, Each RPer is like a Plant, Some, Like Me, and whoever Supports the Advanced Clause, Grow like Weeds when it comes to RPing, Taking in knowledge around us, while others are like trees, They Grow Very Slowly.... Base each RPer by How Fast they grow and take in knowledge when it comes to RPing, [b']Let Us Improve in our own Pace![/b] I, as an RPing maniac, and a pretty decent one, fully support this line. I think we all need to improve in out own pace, and should therefore not be dragged in a leash of advanced sentences and long posts. Though the AC rule is good for those who already ARE elite RPers(stares at Supreme), we need to take heed to those who aren't Elites yet, but may one day be. Let us evolve in our own pace, and not be forced to work beyond our physical, mental, and/or personal limits.Elite and elitist — the worst political arena. ;)I quote the advanced clause: "A good, lengthy post in a role-play should consist of at least four sentences with proper English grammar and spelling." If that's beyond your physical, mental, and/or personal limits, you need help. Badly. I doubt that. Merciful Idiot' date=' you have NO idea.[/quote']You're the one who has no idea. You'll see what I mean once I get bored of this site and want to leave it.How does your boredom prove our acceptance of one-line RPs? Tell me this' date=' how is writing 4 lines (which can be done in a minute) forcing someone to improve DRAMATICALLY?[/quote']WIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Azure, actually it's Otaku Sama's idea, I simply QFT. Skuldur speaks the truth. It's never been said that the four sentences had to be obscenely detailed, or that you had to have a novel per post, just show a modicum of effort. People don't learn "At their own pace", as some others have put it, if they have no reason to. A baby bird would never leave the nest if its mother didn't shove it out once its wings were grown. I see AC as this hypothetical 'shove'. It forces them to expend effort, so they can fly and grow as RPers. In either case, either way this argument goes, I'll be glad to see the end of this controversy on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 There is opposition...The fact that almost half the people voted against it should call for a change right there.Like I said in my old thread' date=' the ac HAS helped AND hindered our progress. What I suggest is, if someone makes an rp and wants his rpers to post a minimum length of sorts, they should simply post it as a rule. If they don't, then they would simply say there is no minimum. I think this will seperate the 'fun' and the 'serious' rp's.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Pennar Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I'll fight until the Clause is gone. You can't just force everyone to 'improve' like that. Everything takes it's own time to grow. Exactly' date=' One cannot Force another to improve Dramatically, Each RPer is like a Plant, Some, Like Me, and whoever Supports the Advanced Clause, Grow like Weeds when it comes to RPing, Taking in knowledge around us, while others are like trees, They Grow Very Slowly.... Base each RPer by How Fast they grow and take in knowledge when it comes to RPing, [b']Let Us Improve in our own Pace![/b] I, as an RPing maniac, and a pretty decent one, fully support this line. I think we all need to improve in out own pace, and should therefore not be dragged in a leash of advanced sentences and long posts. Though the AC rule is good for those who already ARE elite RPers(stares at Supreme), we need to take heed to those who aren't Elites yet, but may one day be. Let us evolve in our own pace, and not be forced to work beyond our physical, mental, and/or personal limits.Elite and elitist — the worst political arena. ;)I quote the advanced clause: "A good, lengthy post in a role-play should consist of at least four sentences with proper English grammar and spelling." If that's beyond your physical, mental, and/or personal limits, you need help. Badly.To many of you Guys, Proper English Grammar and Spelling = Perfect Grammar and Spelling That is the only thing i dislike about it mainly due to My Crapitalizations Tell me this' date=' how is writing 4 lines (which can be done in a minute) forcing someone to improve DRAMATICALLY?[/quote']WINI kinda agree with SGY, Until i read the Advanced Clause in the above Quote.... 4 Lines =/= 4 Lines with Proper Grammar and Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-sama Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I can't comprehend why people don't want to put any effort in RPing? Apparently, four lines is like demanding an essay per post. This isn't school. People are willing to burn hours upon hours on super hard and fustrating video games but not willing to use a tiny bit of literary skill to write four goddamn lines? That makes very little sense. Someone from the anti-AC side please explain in detail why four, lightly detailed lines is such a long stretch for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 First of all, games are fun. So that's dead.Second, four lines is too much during some points. It would equal godmoding if it was applied to every post like it is.I don't see the point in a rule about minimum lines when there is so much opposition. Sooner or later, people are going to lose interest.At least, that's the way I see it. Anybody want to add to what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-sama Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Perhaps I compared the wrong thing. As for the exceptions, I can see how at times posting a response with four lines can be challenging. I don't say this doesn't exist, but if we completely remove the AC, this will allow people to put one line posts for ALL situations, not just the tough parts. Rules must have consistency. If we were to put exceptions to the AC, people can claim ALL or most situations should have one line clearance. This is also why I think a label system could fix all our problems by allowing lower level RPers develop their skills at longer posts while being sheltered from the Advanced Clause which they cannot comply to. Although this may cause controversy from the lazy bums who are too lazy to add a five character label to their RP titles, I believe that this is a very small price to pay to avoid getting the forum locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Actually, I've never met a situation where I couldn't meet four lines, sentences, whatever. Even answering a yes or no question isn't that difficult... I mean, when in doubt, just explain what the character is thinking. Your character doesn't have to physically be DOING four lines worth of things... As a side point, I'd like to recommend people complaining about having to use proper grammar/spelling to download and use Firefox as their browser. It comes with an automatic spellchecker for any text you write. Just trying to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Good idea Otaku-Sama; that might work. However I thought the Advance Clause was, if I am reading it right, an "if you want to include it" rules. Making the rpg/rp owner the one who chose. And example would be I would have an rpg where every member had to follow the Advance Clause. And yet I could be in a rp that doesn't use the rules. If I am reading it wrong then please let me know. But I still think that is what the Advance Clause should come down to- if the RPG owner desired the added rules to make absolutely sure theur rpg isn't flocked by 1-Lined posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 All I know, is SOMETHING needs to be done.If it continues like this, like I said before, people will lose interest.So, if the AC isn't destroyed, at least it needs to be changed so that is is either*Optional*for 'Advanced' RPers, or *Tagged.This will add diversity and variety to RP's, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I've re-read the Rules for 2009 and, in my opinion, it sounds more like a suggestion more than absolute rules (like they where in the trial period) as I stated before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Deffinetely not happy with it, i got my thread locked for nothing, i wasnt here for 3 months how ws i supposed to know..........YCM and rules, seriously some modz take this website WAYYY to seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I find myself objecting to the fact that removing AC adds "diversity", as the trial period in which it was mandatory had no less "diversity" than we had now. I'm sure only about half the thread makers were even aware the AC was mandatory, and I only saw a couple of the worse ones get locked for it. The thing is, even if 4 lines are technically mandatory, how often is that rule going to be enforced, unless your entire RP is one-liners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 You are correct Blazinghydra. I had even said it before, that people would ignore the AC b/c it was unfair to some people. So as long as the AC is not manditory and the owners can choose to use it or not then I say we keep it. However if it is mandatory then it needs to be changed or removed (likely just changed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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