Thomas★Zero Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 5000 = a Fusion with no certain summon requirements why would it be banned (I know BEUD but that can be countered by spell and traps like FHD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 This + Cyber End Dragon + Limiter Removal + Heavy Storm = OTK Outside of that particular banned combo, it is too easy to get an OTK with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 But if your opponent counter CED with a BTH you be like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU then they attack your Cyber-stein with a monster to win since you used a very expensive cost to summon a robot hydra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Which is why you use Heavy Storm BEFORE paying the cost. So that nothing will be face-down waiting to surprise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 but the Heavy storm can still be countered by stuff like bribe and solemn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Then wait to do the OTK until you get MST or Breaker... And if they Solemn, the OTK will only be that much easier later, since they now have 4000 LP. There goes Limiter Removal. And Cyber End Dragon (just use BEUD then). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 And there are no other S/T removal cards? And Dark Bribe and Solemn can be countered by...let's say...Dark Bribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 But if your opponent counter CED with a BTH you be like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU then they attack your Cyber-stein with a monster to win since you used a very expensive cost to summon a robot hydra. Chaos Emperor Dragon is not broken, because you can Solemn him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 But if your opponent counter CED with a BTH you be like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU then they attack your Cyber-stein with a monster to win since you used a very expensive cost to summon a robot hydra. Chaos Emperor Dragon is not broken' date=' because you can Solemn him.[/quote'] Cyber End Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 But if your opponent counter CED with a BTH you be like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU then they attack your Cyber-stein with a monster to win since you used a very expensive cost to summon a robot hydra. Chaos Emperor Dragon is not broken' date=' because you can Solemn him.[/quote'] Cyber End Dragon I know this >.<I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 but the Heavy storm can still be countered by stuff like bribe and solemn. Just because Solemn can counter a certain card or combo doesn't mean it's not broken. I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. In Envoy of the End's case, you could just call priority and nuke everything anyway, but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Oh...I see. Didn't think you caught the similar abbreviation. Stupid coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Oh...I see. Didn't think you caught the similar abbreviation. Stupid coincidence. CED is the worst abbreviation in YGO.Chaos Emperor DragonCyber End DragonCompulsory Evacuation Device :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 We should use CEmD, CEnD, and CEvD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 but the Heavy storm can still be countered by stuff like bribe and solemn. Just because Solemn can counter a certain card or combo doesn't mean it's not broken. I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. In Envoy of the End's case' date=' you could just call priority and nuke everything anyway, but yeah.[/quote'] That's why I used Solemn in my example >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 but the Heavy storm can still be countered by stuff like bribe and solemn. Just because Solemn can counter a certain card or combo doesn't mean it's not broken. I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. In Envoy of the End's case' date=' you could just call priority and nuke everything anyway, but yeah.[/quote'] That's why I used Solemn in my example >.< Forgot BTH was an abbreviated form of Solemn Judgment, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Oh...I see. Didn't think you caught the similar abbreviation. Stupid coincidence. CED is the worst abbreviation in YGO.Chaos Emperor DragonCyber End DragonCompulsory Evacuation Device :D Chthonian Emperor Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 but the Heavy storm can still be countered by stuff like bribe and solemn. Just because Solemn can counter a certain card or combo doesn't mean it's not broken. I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. In Envoy of the End's case' date=' you could just call priority and nuke everything anyway, but yeah.[/quote'] That's why I used Solemn in my example >.< Forgot BTH was an abbreviated form of Solemn Judgment, my bad. But if your opponent counter CED with a BTH you be like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU then they attack your Cyber-stein with a monster to win since you used a very expensive cost to summon a robot hydra. Chaos Emperor Dragon is not broken' date=' because you can [b']Solemn[/b] him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 After paying the cost, you can always equip this with Unstable Evolution, Megamorph and then Limiter Removal it, Now you have a 9600 ATK monster that scapes Gravity bind and Level Limit Area B. Also you have a big fusion beatstick, but that's not so important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 But if your opponent counter CED with a BTH you be like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU then they attack your Cyber-stein with a monster to win since you used a very expensive cost to summon a robot hydra. Chaos Emperor Dragon is not broken' date=' because you can [b']Solemn[/b] him. Except that that wasn't the focal point of our little exchange. I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. This was. Or if we're to assume that you meant "if Cyber Stein isn't broken because the Fusion can be BTHed, then the Envoy isn't broken because it can be Solemned, in which case your argument's invalidated by the double-standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Except that that wasn't the focal point of our little exchange. I was just saying that if Cyber Stein is not broken because the fusion can be BTHed then the envoy is not broken too. TC's logic fails. This was.Oops :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathxy Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 In Envoy of the End's case' date=' you could just call priority and nuke everything anyway, but yeah.[/quote'] you cant cuz the summon was negated....... ot: you cannot solemn the monster special summoned with cyber-stein..... cyber-stein is afraid of divine wrath broken card is broken no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 5000 = a Fusion with no certain summon requirements why would it be banned (I know BEUD but that can be countered by spell and traps like FHD) As people have already said, EVERYTHING can be countered by spells and traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Not spiritualism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 In Envoy of the End's case' date=' you could just call priority and nuke everything anyway, but yeah.[/quote'] you cant cuz the summon was negated....... Wrong ot: you cannot solemn the monster special summoned with cyber-stein..... Wrong cyber-stein is afraid of divine wrath And who plays that? broken card is broken no matter what At least you got this part right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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