Shonen Jump Indy top 16

[The Crimson King]

The thing I hate the most about the new format is the fact that nothing was done about LS, as they are a big threat that needs to be dealt with. This makes me see Konami as a bunch of stupid bastards who only care about the money they're getting, and not for the game. The fact that most meta decks cost $200+ makes it a real pain in the ass to start playing the game from scratch, and cheaper meta decks are not anywhere near as playable as those expensive ass OTK decks, so I would not even compare them. The thing that really makes me mad is that the winning decks get more powerful with each release, while the underdog decks like GB's and Monarchs get lower and lower on the meta list because those Konami fuckheads just don't care enough to make them better.

[Kira the Savior]

At above post: In japan LS sucks. Therefore, the list will do nothing to hit them. But soon they will get alot of the LS TCG exclusives at it will be made a better deck. Then maybe it will get some kind of hit on the list

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Why do people call this diversed? It's a list of 5 Deck types I don't like XD.

Where are the good old days' date=' in which not three quarters of the people played a meta deck?

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People call this diverse because it is. Last format there was one top deck, and one teeny tiny minority deck that would place each jump. Five is more diverse than two.

 

And what good old days are that? A meta deck is one that places well. Decks that place well are meta by definition.

[C.F.Yuji]

BW decks need to get raped with the next banned list' date=' I cant stand them anymore...

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QFT, I love the BW's in the Anime, but I can't stand them in Real Life, I can't tell you how many of the guys I duel in my town use BW's, They are SO annoying...

[The Crimson King]

At above post: In japan LS sucks. Therefore' date=' the list will do nothing to hit them. But soon they will get alot of the LS TCG exclusives at it will be made a better deck. Then maybe it will get some kind of hit on the list

[/quote']They shouldn't just pay attention to the Japanese meta. I mean, Konami has representatives that are in US as well, and I bet that some of them are judges, so they can see the impact certain decks are having. I think Konami is just making half assed banlists without the consideration that certain cards are available in the US that aren't out in Japan, and that these cards can make a deck meta, as they are overpowered. Konami however completely ignores this, thinking that the game in Japan is played at the same speed here, thereby giving us these idiotic banlists that only make sense when they are applied to Japan.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

At above post: In japan LS sucks. Therefore' date=' the list will do nothing to hit them. But soon they will get alot of the LS TCG exclusives at it will be made a better deck. Then maybe it will get some kind of hit on the list

[/quote']They shouldn't just pay attention to the Japanese meta. I mean, Konami has representatives that are in US as well, and I bet that some of them are judges, so they can see the impact certain decks are having. I think Konami is just making half assed banlists without the consideration that certain cards are available in the US that aren't out in Japan, and that these cards can make a deck meta, as they are overpowered. Konami however completely ignores this, thinking that the game in Japan is played at the same speed here, thereby giving us these idiotic banlists that only make sense when they are applied to Japan.

 

While true, Konami is trying to keep the banlists the same, but they could limit the TCG exlusive cards in some way. CotLB limited to 1 would slow the deck down a lot. However, just one more banlist and I think the LS problem will be solved :D

[The Crimson King]

At above post: In japan LS sucks. Therefore' date=' the list will do nothing to hit them. But soon they will get alot of the LS TCG exclusives at it will be made a better deck. Then maybe it will get some kind of hit on the list

[/quote']They shouldn't just pay attention to the Japanese meta. I mean, Konami has representatives that are in US as well, and I bet that some of them are judges, so they can see the impact certain decks are having. I think Konami is just making half assed banlists without the consideration that certain cards are available in the US that aren't out in Japan, and that these cards can make a deck meta, as they are overpowered. Konami however completely ignores this, thinking that the game in Japan is played at the same speed here, thereby giving us these idiotic banlists that only make sense when they are applied to Japan.

 

While true, Konami is trying to keep the banlists the same, but they could limit the TCG exlusive cards in some way. CotLB limited to 1 would slow the deck down a lot. However, just one more banlist and I think the LS problem will be solved :D

We can only hope and pray:D.

[The Dark One]

@ BehindtheMask: It isn't the banlist's job to determine a format in which siding is easily performed.

 

@ Genzo: Neither is it the banlist's job to determine a format in which diversity is encouraged. In an ideal world, this would be achieved through card creation. However, it must be conceded that an illogical banlist under which multiple deck types flourish is superior to an illogical banlist in which they do not. Still, remember that regardless of this superiority, it is still an illogical banlist. Konami is in no position to be receiving congratulations on a job well done, because the job is not at all well done.

 

@Anyone who disagrees that multiple deck types are better: Having multiple viable deck types does not make the game more skillful, and therefor more competitive. However, what it DOES do is keep your interest. Keep in mind that Yugioh is, at heart, a game. It's not necessarily a bad thing to do things that keep a game from getting repetitive, and obviously from a commercial standpoint it is a very GOOD thing.

[BehindTheMask]

ITT: We ignore multiple posts.

 

I would go on a rant about how having multiple top tier decks that can OTK are terrible for the game, but you would be like "LOLOLOLZ U DONT NO WUT U R TALKIN BOUT. U SUK AT THIS GAME. 3/0 IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY DIZ GAME, AND THUS I WONT OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING."

 

Also: September 09 is a great list, outside of a few choice card placements. Anyone who disagrees is either A) Terrible at this game or B) Believes 3/0 is the only way to play and thus, is terrible.

[DesCrow]

Only BAD choices on list were ignoring JD and Honest and CS @ 2.

Everything else was spot on.

[The Dark One]

ITT: We ignore multiple posts.

 

I would go on a rant about how having multiple top tier decks that can OTK are terrible for the game' date=' but you would be like "LOLOLOLZ U DONT NO WUT U R TALKIN BOUT. U SUK AT THIS GAME. 3/0 IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY DIZ GAME, AND THUS I WONT OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING."

 

Also: September 09 is a great list, outside of a few choice card placements. Anyone who disagrees is either A) Terrible at this game or B) Believes 3/0 is the only way to play and thus, is terrible.

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You're an idiot.

 

That last sentence proved it.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

@ Genzo: Neither is it the banlist's job to determine a format in which diversity is encouraged. In an ideal world' date=' this would be achieved through card creation. However, it must be conceded that an illogical banlist under which multiple deck types flourish is superior to an illogical banlist in which they do not. Still, remember that regardless of this superiority, it is still an illogical banlist. Konami is in no position to be receiving congratulations on a job well done, because the job is not at all well done.

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That is nonsense. No matter how logical a banlist is, if it makes the game no longer fun it has failed as a banlist.

[BehindTheMask]

ITT: We ignore multiple posts.

 

I would go on a rant about how having multiple top tier decks that can OTK are terrible for the game' date=' but you would be like "LOLOLOLZ U DONT NO WUT U R TALKIN BOUT. U SUK AT THIS GAME. 3/0 IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY DIZ GAME, AND THUS I WONT OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING."

 

Also: September 09 is a great list, outside of a few choice card placements. Anyone who disagrees is either A) Terrible at this game or B) Believes 3/0 is the only way to play and thus, is terrible.

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You're an idiot.

 

That last sentence proved it.

 

I'm the idiot because I have an opinion that is different than yours? Go T_T in a corner.

 

The game is fine, outside of a few broken cards that should be banned anyway. 3/0 is a decent list, but it shouldn't be brought up in a discussion about the current state of the game, because it offers nothing to discuss other than "lol its better than this list!!!shift+1!!11!!!!1!2!!!1" or something similar.

 

Come back to me when you can refute my points. Kthnxbai.

[iAmNateXero]

Wow, after recovering from SSBB, the drinking game, I realize how lol this forum is when it comes to accepting and effectively arguing against a point. This format was fun. PERIOD DASH COMMA. Anyone disagree? If you do, your bad at discussing because your trying to prove how wrong an opinion is. And in the end, you loose because your arguing me down over the interwebs.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Yes, outside of DSF this format rocked.

...

owait.

[iAmNateXero]

Yes' date=' outside of DSF this format rocked.

...

owait.

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DSF was the format, and I loved every moment with my obese Cannon soldier.

[El Majishan]

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it, only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

[iAmNateXero]

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

[El Majishan]

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

 

I understand what you're saying, the whole take an idea and make it better thing is all fine and Dandylion (really lame pun). But it becomes a problem when everyone tries the same idea. Take this for example. Before the new list and pack even came out everyone is predicting that VayuTurbo will be meta and what do you see? Everyone rushing to get their hands on a playset of Vayu so they can build it, based on a prediction. Its just annoying to see people scramble to make the top deck type instead of trying to come up with something o their own.

[iAmNateXero]

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

 

I understand what you're saying, the whole take an idea and make it better thing is all fine and Dandylion (really lame pun). But it becomes a problem when everyone tries the same idea. Take this for example. Before the new list and pack even came out everyone is predicting that VayuTurbo will be meta and what do you see? Everyone rushing to get their hands on a playset of Vayu so they can build it, based on a prediction. Its just annoying to see people scramble to make the top deck type instead of trying to come up with something o their own.

But thats just it. The "Turbo" died with DSF, now people are taking the same swarm idea, and trying to make the deck work with their own twist. The idea will never go anywhere, but how you bring it to life matters the most.

 

Me, I was going to build Vayu with LS to rape, but its expensive.

[The Dark One]

@ Genzo: Neither is it the banlist's job to determine a format in which diversity is encouraged. In an ideal world' date=' this would be achieved through card creation. However, it must be conceded that an illogical banlist under which multiple deck types flourish is superior to an illogical banlist in which they do not. Still, remember that regardless of this superiority, it is still an illogical banlist. Konami is in no position to be receiving congratulations on a job well done, because the job is not at all well done.

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That is nonsense. No matter how logical a banlist is, if it makes the game no longer fun it has failed as a banlist.

 

That's the thing though, a good banlist is fun to play. Any imbalances (such as domination by a single deck) would then be corrected by the creation of new cards.

 

ITT: We ignore multiple posts.

 

I would go on a rant about how having multiple top tier decks that can OTK are terrible for the game' date=' but you would be like "LOLOLOLZ U DONT NO WUT U R TALKIN BOUT. U SUK AT THIS GAME. 3/0 IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY DIZ GAME, AND THUS I WONT OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING."

 

Also: September 09 is a great list, outside of a few choice card placements. Anyone who disagrees is either A) Terrible at this game or B) Believes 3/0 is the only way to play and thus, is terrible.

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You're an idiot.

 

That last sentence proved it.

 

I'm the idiot because I have an opinion that is different than yours? Go T_T in a corner.

 

The game is fine, outside of a few broken cards that should be banned anyway. 3/0 is a decent list, but it shouldn't be brought up in a discussion about the current state of the game, because it offers nothing to discuss other than "lol its better than this list!!!shift+1!!11!!!!1!2!!!1" or something similar.

 

Come back to me when you can refute my points. Kthnxbai.

 

It's rather difficult to refute points you haven't made. Oh, did you forget? Your entire argument is composed of meaningless blanket statements and appeals to emotion or ridicule. I'll give you a clue in, this is the intrawebz. You can't win an argument through force of personality. You actually have to A. be a skilled troll (which you are not) or B. Make some sense (which you do not)

 

Oh, and you're the only one who brought up a 3-0 format. I've said nothing about it in this thread, and, in fact, don't even support such a format.

 

Now, if there are any specific points you would like to bring against me in argument, I'd ask that you post them in a reasonable manner and I will do my best to discuss each of them in a reasonable manner. There really isn't any good reason for this to get heated.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

 

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

 

I understand what you're saying, the whole take an idea and make it better thing is all fine and Dandylion (really lame pun). But it becomes a problem when everyone tries the same idea. Take this for example. Before the new list and pack even came out everyone is predicting that VayuTurbo will be meta and what do you see? Everyone rushing to get their hands on a playset of Vayu so they can build it, based on a prediction. Its just annoying to see people scramble to make the top deck type instead of trying to come up with something o their own.

But thats just it. The "Turbo" died with DSF, now people are taking the same swarm idea, and trying to make the deck work with their own twist. The idea will never go anywhere, but how you bring it to life matters the most.

 

Me, I was going to build Vayu with LS to rape, but its expensive.

 

 

This is why I want to run Morphs, I would seriously take it to a tourney and duel with it (and probably own their butt) and they would be like "WTH random crap is that" as I kill their sorry behinds... also, Morphs are fun to play. Tier 3 ftw

[El Majishan]

 

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

 

I understand what you're saying, the whole take an idea and make it better thing is all fine and Dandylion (really lame pun). But it becomes a problem when everyone tries the same idea. Take this for example. Before the new list and pack even came out everyone is predicting that VayuTurbo will be meta and what do you see? Everyone rushing to get their hands on a playset of Vayu so they can build it, based on a prediction. Its just annoying to see people scramble to make the top deck type instead of trying to come up with something o their own.

But thats just it. The "Turbo" died with DSF, now people are taking the same swarm idea, and trying to make the deck work with their own twist. The idea will never go anywhere, but how you bring it to life matters the most.

 

Me, I was going to build Vayu with LS to rape, but its expensive.

 

 

This is why I want to run Morphs, I would seriously take it to a tourney and duel with it (and probably own their butt) and they would be like "WTH random crap is that" as I kill their sorry behinds... also, Morphs are fun to play. Tier 3 ftw

 

"Random Crap" FTW

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The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

 

I understand what you're saying, the whole take an idea and make it better thing is all fine and Dandylion (really lame pun). But it becomes a problem when everyone tries the same idea. Take this for example. Before the new list and pack even came out everyone is predicting that VayuTurbo will be meta and what do you see? Everyone rushing to get their hands on a playset of Vayu so they can build it, based on a prediction. Its just annoying to see people scramble to make the top deck type instead of trying to come up with something o their own.

But thats just it. The "Turbo" died with DSF, now people are taking the same swarm idea, and trying to make the deck work with their own twist. The idea will never go anywhere, but how you bring it to life matters the most.

 

Me, I was going to build Vayu with LS to rape, but its expensive.

 

Yeah it would be, Vayu is going for $50 around my area. If I go the a next locals and see like 80% Vayu and Blackwings builds I'm going to be upset.

[burnpsy]

 

The problem with YGO is that every one "Net Decks". As soon a deck type tops every one runs to make it' date=' only a few people actually build original decks. Even when someone comes up with a great deck idea for a deck and it tops a Nat/Jump/Regional, everyone runs to their local card shop and tries to build it instead of trying to find ways to upgrade their own deck to play better and become more competitive. No they just break down their deck and make the new meta deck.

 

Key example are GB. I stopped playing YGO for two years and only got back into is when I read up on GB and they interested me. So when Gladiator Assault finally came out I built myself a deck. I was the only one at my school who ran it for a good 2-3 months, but as soon as it topped at a Jump/Nat and became meta everyone at my school and locals ran it. I got so mad and bored I broke it down and started Running my current IRL (Plasma Synchro).

 

Every one says they have no idea why my deck works or what to side against it because its "random". No it's not random, every card in my deck serves a purpose, its just that my deck is not meta so they don't know the playbook so they can't play by script to beat it.

 

Anyway that's just my 2 cents

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Piggy Banked! However I disagree. i don't think people net deck any more. I mean I know a few do, but there just bad. Its not a bad thing to try what works. What people complain the most about is originality. People believe originality in yugioh is dead, Id like to think it never existed. There is no way with a limited card pool as yugioh to build a deck that NOBODY has already thought of. Its almost impossible. The only thing you can do is take one idea, and try to better it. That is how I think yugioh is played, and I don't belive people should be hassled for doing just that.

 

I understand what you're saying, the whole take an idea and make it better thing is all fine and Dandylion (really lame pun). But it becomes a problem when everyone tries the same idea. Take this for example. Before the new list and pack even came out everyone is predicting that VayuTurbo will be meta and what do you see? Everyone rushing to get their hands on a playset of Vayu so they can build it, based on a prediction. Its just annoying to see people scramble to make the top deck type instead of trying to come up with something o their own.

But thats just it. The "Turbo" died with DSF, now people are taking the same swarm idea, and trying to make the deck work with their own twist. The idea will never go anywhere, but how you bring it to life matters the most.

 

Me, I was going to build Vayu with LS to rape, but its expensive.

 

 

This is why I want to run Morphs, I would seriously take it to a tourney and duel with it (and probably own their butt) and they would be like "WTH random crap is that" as I kill their sorry behinds... also, Morphs are fun to play. Tier 3 ftw

 

"Random Crap" FTW

 

This.

 

We need more vaguely original ideas in this game.

[BehindTheMask]

ITT: We ignore multiple posts.

 

I would go on a rant about how having multiple top tier decks that can OTK are terrible for the game' date=' but you would be like "LOLOLOLZ U DONT NO WUT U R TALKIN BOUT. U SUK AT THIS GAME. 3/0 IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY DIZ GAME, AND THUS I WONT OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING."

 

Also: September 09 is a great list, outside of a few choice card placements. Anyone who disagrees is either A) Terrible at this game or B) Believes 3/0 is the only way to play and thus, is terrible.

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You're an idiot.

 

That last sentence proved it.

 

I'm the idiot because I have an opinion that is different than yours? Go T_T in a corner.

 

The game is fine, outside of a few broken cards that should be banned anyway. 3/0 is a decent list, but it shouldn't be brought up in a discussion about the current state of the game, because it offers nothing to discuss other than "lol its better than this list!!!shift+1!!11!!!!1!2!!!1" or something similar.

 

Come back to me when you can refute my points. Kthnxbai.

 

It's rather difficult to refute points you haven't made. Oh, did you forget? Your entire argument is composed of meaningless blanket statements and appeals to emotion or ridicule. I'll give you a clue in, this is the intrawebz. You can't win an argument through force of personality. You actually have to A. be a skilled troll (which you are not) or B. Make some sense (which you do not)

 

Oh, and you're the only one who brought up a 3-0 format. I've said nothing about it in this thread, and, in fact, don't even support such a format.

 

Now, if there are any specific points you would like to bring against me in argument, I'd ask that you post them in a reasonable manner and I will do my best to discuss each of them in a reasonable manner. There really isn't any good reason for this to get heated.

 

How about the point that Tele-DaD format > March 09 format?

 

Did you read any of my posts on the first page, seriously?

 

I gave "blanket" statements because I don't want to explain decks that he obviously knew about. When did I appeal to emotion or use ridicule? In my last post on page 1 were I was using sarcasm was the only time I used ridicule, because he wasn't understanding what I was saying(I'm assuming this because he didn't refute how each deck works better than Tele-DaD).

 

My whole caps lock sentence is basically what an "intelligent" YCMer would "say" because most of them don't play IRL or have an idea what the metagame is like, from what I've seen posted before. Of course, I could be wrong and March '09 was better than Tele-DaD format. However, I doubt anyone on this forum actually considered my points and tried to see where I was coming from.

 

The reason I brought up 3/0 is because most "intelligent" YCmers only talk about cards on "a good list" and don't objectively look at the current format, other than to ridicule a cards placement. With everything you've said, you have not differentiated yourself from the "intelligent" on YCM.

 

[i use the term "intelligent" in quotes, because, yes they are smart, however they theoretically look at the game and (from what I've seen) don't play the game IRL and play with the actual formats]

 

You don't have to agree with everything I've said, but don't ever be condescending to me and being like "Oh yeah, BehindTheMask's points - they aaiight"