The End.

[EnkoMaun]

nao...

@Makikitsu

Oh sh*t, I limited Morphy?

Typo.

Well, why would I write Metamorphosis into the banned list anyway.

My mind was off.

@Obsidian

Gragonith, is where LS players might redirect when they see JD limited, so...

@groudondjango

I do support CotH, but everybody is going "waaaah" at it being limited, and MR banned.

And DAD is dead enough. No need to kick it again.

[OmegaWave]

I still don't understand how Gragonith can replace JD. They're nothing alike except for being dragons.

 

As long as a nerfed version of JD for Lightsworns doesn't come around, NO ONE will stop using JD. Especially in a mill-type deck where waiting for a specific card isn't much of a problem.

[Exiro]

Malicious should be @0 or 2.

At 1 he is pointless.

 

So what?

[CrabHelmet]

nao...

@Makikitsu

Oh sh*t' date=' I limited Morphy?

Typo.

Well, why would I write Metamorphosis into the banned list anyway.

My mind was off.

[/quote']

 

You're a horrible liar. The presence of Cyber Twin Dragon in the Forbidden section makes it clear that you had every intention of legalizing Metamorphosis.

 

@Obsidian

Gragonith' date=' is where LS players might redirect when they see JD limited, so...

@groudondjango

I do support CotH, but everybody is going "waaaah" at it being limited, and MR banned.

And DAD is dead enough. No need to kick it again.

[/quote']

 

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[cerberus21]

You banned Cydra? Burn this list. it fails. And why would you ban 1 piece of exodia? NO SENSE.

[Mysty]

You banned Cydra? Burn this list. it fails. And why would you ban 1 piece of exodia? NO SENSE.

 

Cydra is a powerful monster that rewards bad play and can easily turn a game around with his many uses. Banworthy.

Ban one piece of Exodia and the automatic victory can no longer be achieved.

[Mister Sir]

Where's Destiny Draw on this list?

[The Dark Megacyber]

[align=center]Father...

 

... yes son?

 

I wanna kill you.

 

Mother...

 

I wanna...

 

 

 

 

Banned:

 

Arcana Force 0 - The Fool

All-Out Attacks

Armed Samurai - Ben-Kei

Battle Mania

Blackwing Armor Master

Blasting the Ruins

Breaker the Magical Warrior

Brionac' date=' Dragon of the Ice Barrier

Brain Control

Call of the Haunted

Card Trooper

Chain Strike

Chaos Sorcerer

Chimeratech Overdragon

Cyber Dragon

Cyber Twin Dragon

Dark Armed Dragon

Demise, King of Armageddon

Exodia the Forbidden One

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus

Gorz the Emissary of Darkness

Gravity Bind

Heavy Storm

Jinzo

Judgment Dragon

Level Limit - Area B

Limiter Removal

Magic Cylinder

Marshmallon

Megamorph

Mirror Force

Morphing Jar

One for One

Return from the Different Dimension

Rescue Cat

Royal Oppression

Snipe Hunter

Spirit Reaper

Sangan

Trap Dustshoot

Treeborn Frog

Ultimate Offering

United We Stand

 

Limited:

 

Elemental Hero Stratos

Manticore of Darkness

Night Assailant

 

Semi-Limited:

 

NONE

 

Unlimited:

 

Advanced Ritual Art

Allure of Darkness

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

Black Rose Dragon

Bottomless Trap Hole

Cathderal of Nobles

Card Destruction

Ceasefire

Cold Wave

Dandylion

Destiny Hero - Malicious

Dewloren, Tiger Prince of the Ice Barrier

Emergency Teleport

Foolish Burial

Future Fusion

Giant Trunade

Gladiator Beast Bestiari

Goblin Zombie

Gold Sarcophagus

Goyo Guardian

Left Arm of the Forbidden One

Left Leg of the Forbidden One

Lonefire Blossom

Magical Stone Excavation

Magician of Faith

Mask of Darkness

Metamorphosis

Mezuki

Mind Crush

Monster Gate

Mystical Space Typhoon

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole

Ojama Trio

Overload Fusion

Plaguespreader Zombie

Reasoning

Reinforcement of the Army

Right Arm of the Forbidden One

Right Leg of the Forbidden One

Scapegoat

Smashing Ground

Solemn Judgment

Summoner Monk

Swords of Revealing Light

The Transmigration Prophecy

Torrential Tribute

Tsukuyomi

Wall of Revealing Light

 

I love this game.

 

If I missed anything, do tell me.[/align']

 

Talking abou crazy people that want to ban everything.

 

Why Larvae Moth is not banned? it must be banned![/sarcasm]

[Tabris]

The amount of hate this list is getting simply for being a fairly standard 3/0 build is absolutely disgusting. All of you are colossal morons and you should all feel horribly ashamed. This especially applies to EnkoMaun' date=' whose idea of a "better" list has Monster Reborn, COSR, and TER legalized, and Gragonith Limited, but to be fair, he isn't much dafter than the rest of you morons.

 

Say, Tabris, why are Card Trooper and One For One banned? And with COSR at 0, is there really any need to stop the Manticore loop, since it doesn't actually do anything, and thus doesn't hurt the game?

 

Also, why are Gellenduo and Taro considered acceptable, but not The Fool? They do have additional weaknesses, but said weaknesses are relatively minor, and it ends up seeming rather inconsistent - if The Fool is banworthy for saying "you gotta run monster removal", why is Gellenduo acceptable for saying "you gotta run monster removal [i']or[/i] burn", and Taro for saying "you gotta run monster removal or some sort of destruction that kills something else on the field"?

 

From the bottom.

 

I'd be hard-pressed NOT to run ANYTHING that doesn't involve removal of any sort - the same kind of removal that would trigger Taro's effect. As for Gellenduo... lemme check?

 

Card Trooper? Check all the other combos with Machine Duplication, and you'll find out that this is the only hyperaggressive genie amongst those under Dupe's beck and call.

 

Lessay I've been informed of an OTK involving this and Mind Master, though I don't still know what it is. Do tell me if ye know.

 

inb4bashing

---

Talking about crazy people that want to ban everything.

 

Why Larvae Moth is not banned? it must be banned![/sarcasm]

 

Because Larvae Moth doesn't form detrimental combos?

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BAN'D

Judgement Dragon

Call of the Haunted

Chimeratech Overdragon

Cyber Twin Dragon

 

LIMIT'D

Monster Reborn

Thousand-Eyes Restrict

Card of Safe Return

Chaos Sorcerer (this is where it must stay.)

Gragonith' date=' Lightsworn Dragon (so that LS can never make a comeback)

Breaker the Magical Warrior

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

 

[b']SEMI'D[/b]

Plaguespreader Zombie

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

Cold Wave

Future Fusion

Cyber Dragon

 

UNLIMIT'D

Solemn Judgement

Reinforcement of the Army

Giant Trunade

 

I missed anything? Tell me, I'll add that up.

 

A few queries:

 

1. Why exactly do we need a semi-limited list?

 

2. Why exactly do we need easy-button mass S/T removal (since I presume Heavy's heavy ass stays)?

 

3. Why exactly do we need the YGO equivalent of an ice age (yes, TER)?

 

4. Why exactly do we need a monster that +1s either by battle or by its effect that doesn't use your Normal Summon?

 

5. Why exactly do we need to sabotage LS so thoroughly that it may never come back?

[CrabHelmet]

I'd be hard-pressed to run ANYTHING that doesn't involve removal of any sort - the same kind of removal that would trigger Taro's effect.

 

But monster removal kills all of these walls anyhow' date=' and allowing Spell/Trap removal to grant one turn of reprieve doesn't seem like a huge difference.

 

Card Trooper? Check all the other combos with Machine Duplication, and you'll find out that this is the only hyperaggressive genie amongst those under Dupe's beck and call.

 

Oh, yes, I agree that 3 Machine Duplication is fine while 3 Card Trooper + 3 Machine Duplication is not fine. However, this is hardly grounds for dropping Card Trooper down to 0; there's no reason to put it below 1, where it doesn't work with Machine Duplication at all, and one could even argue that 2 is acceptable.

 

Lessay I've been informed of an OTK involving this and Mind Master' date=' though I don't still know what it is. Do tell me if ye know.

[/quote']

 

The OTK works just fine without One For One; One For One just improves its consistency. We would hardly ban ROTA to make Ben Kei OTK less consistent, would we?

[Crow™]

Banning Armor Master!? D=

[Tabris]

Banning Armor Master!? D=

 

Lessay its combination of battle immunity, LP immunity, huge stats, and unique effect would traumatize anyone who met it.

[Xazeon]

That.... just hurt my decks very, very, very, very badly.

 

As to the title: The End = The Energy Never Dies?

 

EDIT: EnkoMan, I'd kill for that banlist.

[Flame Dragon]

To lazy to think much right now but you seem to have missed Black Whirlwind.

 

All right' date=' this topic is now discussing this banlist:

As Mystery said, the things I'm listing here are just the things I edit from September '09. Don't ask why there isn't a COD-EotE is in here plox.

 

[b']BAN'D[/b]

Judgement Dragon

Call of the Haunted

Chimeratech Overdragon

Cyber Twin Dragon

 

LIMIT'D

Monster Reborn

Thousand-Eyes Restrict

Card of Safe Return

Chaos Sorcerer (this is where it must stay.)

Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon (so that LS can never make a comeback)

Breaker the Magical Warrior

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

 

SEMI'D

Plaguespreader Zombie

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

Cold Wave

Future Fusion

Cyber Dragon

 

UNLIMIT'D

Solemn Judgement

Reinforcement of the Army

Giant Trunade

 

I missed anything? Tell me, I'll add that up.

i just died inside

[Tabris]

The OTK works just fine without One For One; One For One just improves its consistency. We would hardly ban ROTA to make Ben Kei OTK less consistent, would we?

 

Duly noted. But what exactly is the OTK?

 

inb4bashing

 

Oh, yes, I agree that 3 Machine Duplication is fine while 3 Card Trooper + 3 Machine Duplication is not fine. However, this is hardly grounds for dropping Card Trooper down to 0; there's no reason to put it below 1, where it doesn't work with Machine Duplication at all, and one could even argue that 2 is acceptable.

 

OHSHI-

 

But let's discuss Trooper's own merits, just to underline how broke Trooper is. A beatstick at your own turn, which morphs into a weakling little draw engine, which also prepares your Grave for future tempests...

 

... ye get mine point?

 

But monster removal kills all of these walls anyhow, and allowing Spell/Trap removal to grant one turn of reprieve doesn't seem like a huge difference.

 

Early game, sure, S/T removal triggerin' Taro's effect might not be fatal.

 

Late game, wherein the opponent might've swarmed?

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That.... just hurt my decks very' date=' very, very, very badly.

 

As to the title: The End = The Energy Never Dies?[/quote']

 

I can't care less if I ass-whupped yer decks. I care too much for the health of this game to care about ye.

 

And, no, I ain't some corporate cocksucker, unlike those Black Eyed sheet.

[Flame Dragon]

The OTK works just fine without One For One; One For One just improves its consistency. We would hardly ban ROTA to make Ben Kei OTK less consistent' date=' would we?[/i']

 

Duly noted. But what exactly is the OTK?

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Brain_Research_Lab

[Tabris]

To lazy to think much right now but you seem to have missed Black Whirlwind.

 

It seems to me at least people are complainin' because it fetches Gale.

[Flame Dragon]

To lazy to think much right now but you seem to have missed Black Whirlwind.

 

It seems to me at least people are complainin' because it fetches Gale.

 

And most other Blackwings. It really makes every one into something of a Gadget. With the stronger ones being able to get you almost every monster in your deck.

[Tabris]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Brain_Research_Lab

 

Swarm? Figures...

 

Thanks. I've spent the day before I posted this thread lookin' for the combo.

[cerberus21]

You banned Cydra? Burn this list. it fails. And why would you ban 1 piece of exodia? NO SENSE.

 

Cydra is a powerful monster that rewards bad play and can easily turn a game around with his many uses. Banworthy.

Ban one piece of Exodia and the automatic victory can no longer be achieved.

 

Has there been a shift in time? Automatic victory w/ Exodia is back? Oh, wait, thats just you not knowing what you're talking about >.<

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Woo looks like we're up for another teledad meta w/ 3 mali, 3 plague and 3 e-tele.

[Xazeon]

You banned Cydra? Burn this list. it fails. And why would you ban 1 piece of exodia? NO SENSE.

 

Cydra is a powerful monster that rewards bad play and can easily turn a game around with his many uses. Banworthy.

Ban one piece of Exodia and the automatic victory can no longer be achieved.

 

Has there been a shift in time? Automatic victory w/ Exodia is back? Oh' date=' wait, thats just you not knowing what you're talking about >.<

[/quote']

Really? Wow. Most people I know at locals have Exodia OTK.

[Tabris]

To lazy to think much right now but you seem to have missed Black Whirlwind.

 

It seems to me at least people are complainin' because it fetches Gale.

 

And most other Blackwings. It really makes every one into something of a Gadget. With the stronger ones being able to get you almost every monster in your deck.

 

... and I've never heard of anyone (that is' date=' except Konami's execs) complainin' about what Gadgets (and Blackwings supported by Whirlwind) do best - slow swarm over a number of turns.

 

May be that Blackwings actually have Tuners of repute, but is that really enough to insure a banning?[hr']

Woo looks like we're up for another teledad meta w/ 3 mali' date=' 3 plague and 3 e-tele.

[/quote']

 

One problem: I killed our father, who art in hell...

 

... mother...

 

... I wanna...

[GenzoTheHarpist]

... and I've never heard of anyone (that is' date=' except Konami's execs) complainin' about what Gadgets (and Blackwings supported by Whirlwind) do best - slow swarm over a number of turns.

 

May be that Blackwings actually have Tuners of repute, but is that really enough to insure a banning?[/quote']

You limited stratos, though. BWs are worse. They swarm hyperspeed in single turns. They are not like gadgets at all.

 

Woo looks like we're up for another teledad meta w/ 3 mali' date=' 3 plague and 3 e-tele.

[/quote']

 

One problem: I killed our father, who art in hell...

 

... mother...

 

... I wanna...

Okay be serious here. I have no clue what you are trying to say with this nonsense.

[Flame Dragon]

To lazy to think much right now but you seem to have missed Black Whirlwind.

 

It seems to me at least people are complainin' because it fetches Gale.

 

And most other Blackwings. It really makes every one into something of a Gadget. With the stronger ones being able to get you almost every monster in your deck.

 

... and I've never heard of anyone (that is' date=' except Konami's execs) complainin' about what Gadgets (and Blackwings supported by Whirlwind) do best - slow swarm over a number of turns.

 

May be that Blackwings actually have Tuners of repute, but is that really enough to insure a banning?

[/quote']

Well with the Gadgets you get weak monster that are limited in what they can get. Here you can get anything. Of the targets you have an 1800 atk beatstick that gets weaker BW, a Piercer that can special summon itself, a mini Honest, a shrink on legs that can special summon itself and synchro, and another tuner that when summoned can make a level 6 synchro.

 

That is a lot more versitlity then the Gadgets.