Tabris Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 [align=center]Father... ... yes son? I wanna kill you. Mother... I wanna... Banned: Arcana Force 0 - The FoolAll-Out AttacksArmed Samurai - Ben-KeiBattle ManiaBlackwing Armor MasterBlasting the RuinsBreaker the Magical WarriorBrionac, Dragon of the Ice BarrierBrain ControlCall of the HauntedCard TrooperChain StrikeChaos SorcererChimeratech OverdragonCyber DragonCyber Twin DragonDark Armed DragonDemise, King of ArmageddonExodia the Forbidden OneGladiator Beast GyzarusGorz the Emissary of DarknessGravity BindHeavy StormJinzoJudgment DragonLevel Limit - Area BLimiter RemovalMagic CylinderMarshmallonMegamorphMirror ForceMorphing JarOne for OneReturn from the Different DimensionRescue CatRoyal OppressionSnipe HunterSpirit ReaperSanganTrap DustshootTreeborn FrogUltimate OfferingUnited We Stand Limited: Elemental Hero StratosNight Assailant Semi-Limited: Destiny Hero - Malicious Unlimited: Advanced Ritual ArtAllure of DarknessBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindBlack Rose DragonBottomless Trap HoleCathderal of NoblesCard DestructionCeasefireCold WaveDandylionDewloren, Tiger Prince of the Ice BarrierEmergency TeleportFoolish BurialFuture FusionGiant TrunadeGladiator Beast BestiariGoblin ZombieGold SarcophagusGoyo GuardianLeft Arm of the Forbidden OneLeft Leg of the Forbidden OneLonefire BlossomMagical Stone ExcavationMagician of FaithManticore of DarknessMask of DarknessMetamorphosisMezukiMind ControlMind CrushMonster GateMystical Space TyphoonNeo-Spacian Grand MoleOjama TrioOverload FusionPlaguespreader ZombieReasoningReinforcement of the ArmyRight Arm of the Forbidden OneRight Leg of the Forbidden OneScapegoatSmashing GroundSolemn JudgmentSummoner MonkSwords of Revealing LightThe Transmigration ProphecyTorrential TributeTsukuyomiWall of Revealing Light I love this game. If I missed anything, do tell me.[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exyst Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Where's Reborn on this list? Banned still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 [align=center]Father... ... yes son? I wanna kill you. Mother... I wanna... Banned: Arcana Force 0 - The FoolAll-Out AttacksBattle ManiaBlackwing Armor MasterBlasting the RuinsBreaker the Magical WarriorBrionac' date=' Dragon of the Ice BarrierBrain ControlCall of the HauntedCard TrooperChain StrikeChaos SorcererChimeratech OverdragonCyber DragonCyber Twin DragonDark Armed DragonDemise, King of ArmageddonExodia the Forbidden OneGladiator Beast GyzarusGorz the Emissary of DarknessGravity BindHeavy StormJudgment DragonLevel Limit - Area BLimiter RemovalMagic CylinderMarshmallonMegamorphMirror ForceMorphing JarOne for OneReturn from the Different DimensionRescue CatRoyal OppressionSnipe HunterSpirit ReaperSanganTrap DustshootTreeborn FrogUltimate OfferingUnited We Stand Limited: Elemental Hero StratosManticore of DarknessNight Assailant Semi-Limited: NONE Unlimited: Advanced Ritual ArtAllure of DarknessBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindBlack Rose DragonBottomless Trap HoleCathderal of NoblesCard DestructionCeasefireCold WaveDandylionDestiny Hero - MaliciousDewloren, Tiger Prince of the Ice BarrierEmergency TeleportFoolish BurialFuture FusionGiant TrunadeGladiator Beast BestiariGoblin ZombieGold SarcophagusGoyo GuardianLeft Arm of the Forbidden OneLeft Leg of the Forbidden OneLonefire BlossomMagical Stone ExcavationMagician of FaithMask of DarknessMetamorphosisMezukiMind CrushMonster GateMystical Space TyphoonNeo-Spacian Grand MoleOjama TrioOverload FusionPlaguespreader ZombieReasoningReinforcement of the ArmyRight Arm of the Forbidden OneRight Leg of the Forbidden OneScapegoatSmashing GroundSolemn JudgmentSummoner MonkSwords of Revealing LightThe Transmigration ProphecyTorrential TributeTsukuyomiWall of Revealing Light I love this game. If I missed anything, do tell me.[/align']Bump it up!So, you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.And the exodia parts are unlimited. YOU ARE A GENIUS. [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 [align=center]Father... ... yes son? I wanna kill you. Mother... I wanna... Banned: Arcana Force 0 - The FoolAll-Out AttacksBattle ManiaBlackwing Armor MasterBlasting the RuinsBreaker the Magical WarriorBrionac' date=' Dragon of the Ice BarrierBrain ControlCall of the HauntedCard TrooperChain StrikeChaos SorcererChimeratech OverdragonCyber DragonCyber Twin DragonDark Armed DragonDemise, King of ArmageddonExodia the Forbidden OneGladiator Beast GyzarusGorz the Emissary of DarknessGravity BindHeavy StormJudgment DragonLevel Limit - Area BLimiter RemovalMagic CylinderMarshmallonMegamorphMirror ForceMorphing JarOne for OneReturn from the Different DimensionRescue CatRoyal OppressionSnipe HunterSpirit ReaperSanganTrap DustshootTreeborn FrogUltimate OfferingUnited We Stand Limited: Elemental Hero StratosManticore of DarknessNight Assailant Semi-Limited: NONE Unlimited: Advanced Ritual ArtAllure of DarknessBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindBlack Rose DragonBottomless Trap HoleCathderal of NoblesCard DestructionCeasefireCold WaveDandylionDestiny Hero - MaliciousDewloren, Tiger Prince of the Ice BarrierEmergency TeleportFoolish BurialFuture FusionGiant TrunadeGladiator Beast BestiariGoblin ZombieGold SarcophagusGoyo GuardianLeft Arm of the Forbidden OneLeft Leg of the Forbidden OneLonefire BlossomMagical Stone ExcavationMagician of FaithMask of DarknessMetamorphosisMezukiMind CrushMonster GateMystical Space TyphoonNeo-Spacian Grand MoleOjama TrioOverload FusionPlaguespreader ZombieReasoningReinforcement of the ArmyRight Arm of the Forbidden OneRight Leg of the Forbidden OneScapegoatSmashing GroundSolemn JudgmentSummoner MonkSwords of Revealing LightThe Transmigration ProphecyTorrential TributeTsukuyomiWall of Revealing Light I love this game. If I missed anything, do tell me.[/align']Bump it up!So, you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.And the exodia parts are unlimited. YOU ARE A GENIUS. [/sarcasm] He banned the head at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 [align=center]Father... ... yes son? I wanna kill you. Mother... I wanna... Banned: Arcana Force 0 - The FoolAll-Out AttacksBattle ManiaBlackwing Armor MasterBlasting the RuinsBreaker the Magical WarriorBrionac' date=' Dragon of the Ice BarrierBrain ControlCall of the HauntedCard TrooperChain StrikeChaos SorcererChimeratech OverdragonCyber DragonCyber Twin DragonDark Armed DragonDemise, King of ArmageddonExodia the Forbidden OneGladiator Beast GyzarusGorz the Emissary of DarknessGravity BindHeavy StormJudgment DragonLevel Limit - Area BLimiter RemovalMagic CylinderMarshmallonMegamorphMirror ForceMorphing JarOne for OneReturn from the Different DimensionRescue CatRoyal OppressionSnipe HunterSpirit ReaperSanganTrap DustshootTreeborn FrogUltimate OfferingUnited We Stand Limited: Elemental Hero StratosManticore of DarknessNight Assailant Semi-Limited: NONE Unlimited: Advanced Ritual ArtAllure of DarknessBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindBlack Rose DragonBottomless Trap HoleCathderal of NoblesCard DestructionCeasefireCold WaveDandylionDestiny Hero - MaliciousDewloren, Tiger Prince of the Ice BarrierEmergency TeleportFoolish BurialFuture FusionGiant TrunadeGladiator Beast BestiariGoblin ZombieGold SarcophagusGoyo GuardianLeft Arm of the Forbidden OneLeft Leg of the Forbidden OneLonefire BlossomMagical Stone ExcavationMagician of FaithMask of DarknessMetamorphosisMezukiMind CrushMonster GateMystical Space TyphoonNeo-Spacian Grand MoleOjama TrioOverload FusionPlaguespreader ZombieReasoningReinforcement of the ArmyRight Arm of the Forbidden OneRight Leg of the Forbidden OneScapegoatSmashing GroundSolemn JudgmentSummoner MonkSwords of Revealing LightThe Transmigration ProphecyTorrential TributeTsukuyomiWall of Revealing Light I love this game. If I missed anything, do tell me.[/align']Bump it up!So, you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.And the exodia parts are unlimited. YOU ARE A GENIUS. [/sarcasm] He banned the head at least.that's even more genius.Worst imaginary banlist I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 So, you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else. Uh... isn't that the thing we usually do when we construct our own lists? Or is it that common sense doesn't apply here? And the exodia parts are unlimited. Ever read Lord of the Flies, Enko? THE HEAD THE HEAD THE FUCKIN' HEAD is banned.that's even more genius. Yes, dear, like havin' FIVE 200 ATK 300 DEF LEVEL VANILLA SPELLCASTERS isn't.Well, dear Enko, I'll ruffle your kafuffles for a bit more and venture out: what has yer pansies in a twist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Malicious should be @0 or 2.At 1 he is pointless.At 3 he is abusable. Edit: Most of the bans are bad :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 So' date=' you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.[/i'] Uh... isn't that the thing we usually do when we construct our own lists? Or is it that common sense doesn't apply here? But you've done it in such a ridiculous way. 3 or 0 theory is bullsh*t. And the exodia parts are unlimited. Ever read Lord of the Flies, Enko? THE HEAD THE HEAD THE FUCKIN' HEAD is banned. That might be a fact, but it still doesn't help make this "banlist" better. ZOMGBANZing everything, then unlimiting some useless sheet to break all combos available isn't a "banlist." A banlist like this would never help the TCG anyway.Also, where's Yata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 So' date=' you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.[/i'] Uh... isn't that the thing we usually do when we construct our own lists? Or is it that common sense doesn't apply here? But you've done it in such a ridiculous way. 3 or 0 theory is bullsh*t. And the exodia parts are unlimited. Ever read Lord of the Flies, Enko? THE HEAD THE HEAD THE FUCKIN' HEAD is banned. That might be a fact, but it still doesn't help make this "banlist" better. ZOMGBANZing everything, then unlimiting some useless s*** to break all combos available isn't a "banlist." A banlist like this would never help the TCG anyway.Also, where's Yata? These are only the changes to the current ban list he would make, hence no CED-EotE or pot of Greed or any of that because those are already banned.I would love to point out quite a few errors about this list, but let's see if Judgment Dragon or anybody else will point them out.Also, @enko, I think 3 or 0 logic would do a few things a bit different, such as probably banning Mind Master, unlimiting 141, putting Card Trooper at 2, and keeping Malicious at either 2 or 1/0.3/0 logic is probably the best way to make a banlist in my opinion since it's based on killing all the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 You banned United We Stand, but not Mage Power? And you unlimited Tsukuyomi? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 You banned United We Stand' date=' but not Mage Power? And you unlimited Tsukuyomi? Why?[/quote'] Read the bolded italicized underlined words. So' date=' you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.[/i'] Uh... isn't that the thing we usually do when we construct our own lists? Or is it that common sense doesn't apply here? But you've done it in such a ridiculous way. 3 or 0 theory is bullsh*t. And the exodia parts are unlimited. Ever read Lord of the Flies, Enko? THE HEAD THE HEAD THE FUCKIN' HEAD is banned. That might be a fact, but it still doesn't help make this "banlist" better. ZOMGBANZing everything, then unlimiting some useless s*** to break all combos available isn't a "banlist." A banlist like this would never help the TCG anyway.Also, where's Yata? These are only the changes to the current ban list he would make, not the complete banlist, hence no CED-EotE or pot of Greed or any of that because those are already banned.I would love to point out quite a few errors about this list, but let's see if Judgment Dragon or anybody else will point them out.Also, @enko, I think 3 or 0 logic would do a few things a bit different, such as probably banning Mind Master, unlimiting 141, putting Card Trooper at 2, and keeping Malicious at either 2 or 1/0.3/0 logic is probably the best way to make a banlist in my opinion since it's based on killing all the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Whys this in TCG section >.> oh wait its a banlist not a deck >_>" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 But you've done it in such a ridiculous way. 3 or 0 theory is bullsh*t. Bullshit? We do advocate for the banning of cards on their intrinsic merits or their combos with other cards, not because - not simply because - some archetype's been lordin' it over all. Now where oh where is the bullshit you speak of? That might be a fact, but it still doesn't help make this "banlist" better. ZOMGBANZing everything, then unlimiting some useless s*** to break all combos available isn't a "banlist." A banlist like this would never help the TCG anyway. Dismissin' me before ye test it? Eh? Eh? And, sir, I'm not breaking all combos available. Crystal Beasts have 3 TT. I still have my loops with Begone, Knave! Also, where's Yata? Those not mentioned will remain where they are.You banned United We Stand' date=' but not Mage Power? And you unlimited Tsukuyomi? Why?[/quote'] From the bottom! Unless you're inordinately afraid of soft locks or even softer loops, I don't see why Tsukuyomi must stay banned. And UWS? Simply because you could actually swarm? Which makes me remember - Ben-Kei banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 But you've done it in such a ridiculous way. 3 or 0 theory is bullsh*t. Bullshit? We do advocate for the banning of cards on their intrinsic merits or their combos with other cards' date=' not because - not simply because - some archetype's been lordin' it over all. Now where oh where is the bullshit you speak of? [i']That might be a fact, but it still doesn't help make this "banlist" better. ZOMGBANZing everything, then unlimiting some useless s*** to break all combos available isn't a "banlist." A banlist like this would never help the TCG anyway.[/i] Dismissin' me before ye test it? Eh? Eh? And, sir, I'm not breaking all combos available. Crystal Beasts have 3 TT. I still have my loops with Begone, Knave! Also, where's Yata? Those not mentioned will remain where they are.You banned United We Stand' date=' but not Mage Power? And you unlimited Tsukuyomi? Why?[/quote'] From the bottom! Unless you're inordinately afraid of soft locks or even softer loops, I don't see why Tsukuyomi must stay banned. And UWS? Simply because you could actually swarm? Which makes me remember - Ben-Kei banned.Explain your motive. Why are you trying to destroy a nice deck strategy, while you can just ban or limit mage power, the way it's supposed to be. Are you trying to distrupt every single deck available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaWave Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 This entire list is full of LOLYCM-ness. Just because you aren't good enough to avoid a good card doesn't mean it should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 So' date=' you banned the things you don't like, and unlimited everything else.[/i'] Uh... isn't that the thing we usually do when we construct our own lists? Or is it that common sense doesn't apply here? No, it does not. The idea isn't to stop the cards and combos YOU want stopped; the idea is to stop the cards and combos EVERYONE wants stopped. This entire list is full of LOLYCM-ness. Just because you aren't good enough to avoid a good card doesn't mean it should be banned.This. Use the true 3/0 format procedure and this list will be a lot better. I guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I can make a better banlist than this in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I can make a better banlist than this in no time. PLEASE do so. In fact, why not also write all the other banned cards so people don't get confused about why CED-EotE isn't on the list? Either that or declare that the list you make is just what you would change about the official September list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 And UWS? Simply because you could actually swarm? I wasn't talking about United We Stand not being banworthy. I was talking about Mage Power being being banworthy' date=' since it rewards players that simply mindlessy Set their Spell/Trap cards just for an gigantic power house. And Giant Trunade at 3, it just adds more control to Mage Power, since you can decide which of the returned cards needs to be set and which one should stay on the field, without hurting Mage Power too much. Which makes me remember - Ben-Kei banned. How I missed Ben Kei, is behond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkoMaun Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 All right, this topic is now discussing this banlist:As Mystery said, the things I'm listing here are just the things I edit from September '09. Don't ask why there isn't a COD-EotE is in here plox. BAN'DJudgement DragonCall of the HauntedChimeratech OverdragonCyber Twin Dragon LIMIT'DMonster RebornThousand-Eyes RestrictCard of Safe ReturnChaos Sorcerer (this is where it must stay.)Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon (so that LS can never make a comeback)Breaker the Magical WarriorBrionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier SEMI'DPlaguespreader ZombieBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindCold WaveFuture FusionCyber Dragon UNLIMIT'DSolemn JudgementReinforcement of the ArmyGiant Trunade I missed anything? Tell me, I'll add that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exyst Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 All right' date=' this topic is now discussing this banlist:As Mystery said, the things I'm listing here are just the things I edit from September '09. Don't ask why there isn't a COD-EotE is in here plox. [b']BAN'D[/b]Judgement DragonCall of the HauntedChimeratech OverdragonCyber Twin Dragon LIMIT'DMonster RebornThousand-Eyes RestrictCard of Safe ReturnChaos Sorcerer (this is where it must stay.)Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon (so that LS can never make a comeback)Breaker the Magical WarriorMetamorphosisBrionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier SEMI'DPlaguespreader ZombieBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindCold WaveFuture FusionCyber Dragon UNLIMIT'DSolemn JudgementReinforcement of the ArmyGiant Trunade I missed anything? Tell me, I'll add that up. Cyber End staying Unlimited while Metamorphosis is at 1, not the best idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 LIMIT'DMonster RebornThousand-Eyes RestrictCard of Safe ReturnChaos Sorcerer (this is where it must stay.)Gragonith' date=' Lightsworn Dragon (so that LS can never make a comeback)[/quote'] From these 5 cards, I can already tell this list is terrible, even though I can already say it when I saw Monster Reborn limited. EDIT: Wheeeee, I just noticed DAD isn't banned in EnkoMaun's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaWave Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 LIMIT'DMonster RebornThousand-Eyes RestrictCard of Safe ReturnChaos Sorcerer (this is where it must stay.)Gragonith' date=' Lightsworn Dragon (so that LS can never make a comeback)[/quote'] From these 5 cards, I can already tell this list is terrible, even though I can already say it when I saw Monster Reborn limited. EDIT: Wheeeee, I just noticed DAD isn't banned. Who the hell runs Gragonith in a decent LS build? Thousand-Eyes Restrict should Stay banned. So should Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 The amount of hate this list is getting simply for being a fairly standard 3/0 build is absolutely disgusting. All of you are colossal morons and you should all feel horribly ashamed. This especially applies to EnkoMaun, whose idea of a "better" list has Monster Reborn, COSR, and TER legalized, and Gragonith Limited, but to be fair, he isn't much dafter than the rest of you morons. Say, Tabris, why are Card Trooper and One For One banned? And with COSR at 0, is there really any need to stop the Manticore loop, since it doesn't actually do anything, and thus doesn't hurt the game? Also, why are Gellenduo and Taro considered acceptable, but not The Fool? They do have additional weaknesses, but said weaknesses are relatively minor, and it ends up seeming rather inconsistent - if The Fool is banworthy for saying "you gotta run monster removal", why is Gellenduo acceptable for saying "you gotta run monster removal or burn", and Taro for saying "you gotta run monster removal or some sort of destruction that kills something else on the field"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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