[TWFD] Solemn Judgment.

[Tabris]

Y'all know him fer too long.

 

Do gripe in here.

[Crow™]

[TWFD] = ?

 

Anyway, I never bought a playset and I'm glad I didn't. Getting 1 should be easier now.

[Tabris]

The Will's funking Discussion.

 

As ye can see, I'm pissed.

[CrabHelmet]

And the moral of the story is that you should never use decent cards, because Konami will take them down for the crime of seeing play.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Sucks that it got limited.

 

Sucks even worse is that people think it's a good decision.

[Mister Sir]

Just about as random to me as BTH, tbh.

 

Though I do see it's consistency in Glads...

[Tabris]

And the moral of the story is that you should never use decent cards' date=' because Konami will take them down for the crime of seeing play.

[/quote']

 

Speakin' of which, I'm givin' y'all Jae's defense:

 

http://go-ygo.com/yugioh-ban-list-discussion-solemn-judgment-good/#more-687

 

Do read and spit.

 

EDIT: To those too lazy to read (GOODNESS), the moral of our never-champ's spin is this: Solemn's broke because it's used offensively, end of fuckin' story.

[arkel]

Some of the so-called "best" people at my locals are still running 1 of these formats. Their reasoning? It's "tech". I need to move to Texas and be with Seph >.>

[Guest PikaPerson01]

*reads above link*

 

Those who want Heavy Storm banned or adjusted are ignorant of the benefits one Storm brings to the game.

 

That's stupid, because those that want Heavy Storm banned typically also want a plethora of other things banned, a lot of things unlimited, etc etc that completely change the way the game would be played. I'm almost tempted to stop reading, but this guy doesn't seem TOO stupid, so I may give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Xazeon]

I seriously need to punch Konami for making a childern's card game with a rediculous banlist.

[Felix]

Sucks that it got limited.

 

Sucks even worse is that people think it's a good decision.

 

I'm just happy because I don't have to worry about it as much.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Finished the article.

 

Never been a fan of using bannable cards as an argument for or against a card. "Your opponent uses Solemn, and THEN nukes the field with DAD and Gyzarus." That line of thinking is stupid since DAD and Gyzarus shouldn't have been made anyway.

[CrabHelmet]

And the moral of the story is that you should never use decent cards' date=' because Konami will take them down for the crime of seeing play.

[/quote']

 

Speakin' of which, I'm givin' y'all Jae's defense:

 

http://go-ygo.com/yugioh-ban-list-discussion-solemn-judgment-good/#more-687

 

Do read and spit.

 

EDIT: To those too lazy to read (GOODNESS), the moral of our never-champ's spin is this: Solemn's broke because it's used offensively, end of fuckin' story.

 

This is what I got out of the article:

 

1) When you use it, you gain advantage via the opponent's card AND whatever the opponent paid for that card AND whatever Life Points you avoided losing to that card AND whatever cards you avoided losing to that card AND whatever those protected cards can give you in the future AND whatever the cards they give you can themselves give in the future AND oh just screw it and ban anything that removes or protects anything because by this point we've made out all negation to be a +5 that also causes a gain of lots of Life Points or something.

 

2) Solemn should be banned because it promotes a fast format when used in tandem with DAD and Gyzarus and whatever other big nuke stuff people are using, and it's pretty clear that Solemn is the problem here.

 

Did I miss anything?

[.Gideon.]

Best. Decision. Eva, hah, hate me !

 

Solemn was always a Pain in the Amss.

 

now seeing it's limited, maybe we will get back to HotH and Divine Judgement. Maybe

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Solemn Judgments been unlimited for 8 years and no one ever had a problem with it before PTDN came out.

[Tabris]

And the moral of the story is that you should never use decent cards' date=' because Konami will take them down for the crime of seeing play.

[/quote']

 

Speakin' of which, I'm givin' y'all Jae's defense:

 

http://go-ygo.com/yugioh-ban-list-discussion-solemn-judgment-good/#more-687

 

Do read and spit.

 

EDIT: To those too lazy to read (GOODNESS), the moral of our never-champ's spin is this: Solemn's broke because it's used offensively, end of fuckin' story.

 

This is what I got out of the article:

 

1) When you use it, you gain advantage via the opponent's card AND whatever the opponent paid for that card AND whatever Life Points you avoided losing to that card AND whatever cards you avoided losing to that card AND whatever those protected cards can give you in the future AND whatever the cards they give you can themselves give in the future AND oh just screw it and ban anything that removes or protects anything because by this point we've made out all negation to be a +5 that also causes a gain of lots of Life Points or something.

 

2) Solemn should be banned because it promotes a fast format when used in tandem with DAD and Gyzarus and whatever other big nuke stuff people are using, and it's pretty clear that Solemn is the problem here.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

:D

 

None, dear Crab.

 

Do proceed - it seems you've a lot to say.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Solemn Judgments been unlimited for 8 years and no one ever had a problem with it before PTDN came out.

 

People've had problems with it since Six Sams, not to say that they're right.

[CrabHelmet]

And the moral of the story is that you should never use decent cards' date=' because Konami will take them down for the crime of seeing play.

[/quote']

 

Speakin' of which, I'm givin' y'all Jae's defense:

 

http://go-ygo.com/yugioh-ban-list-discussion-solemn-judgment-good/#more-687

 

Do read and spit.

 

EDIT: To those too lazy to read (GOODNESS), the moral of our never-champ's spin is this: Solemn's broke because it's used offensively, end of fuckin' story.

 

This is what I got out of the article:

 

1) When you use it, you gain advantage via the opponent's card AND whatever the opponent paid for that card AND whatever Life Points you avoided losing to that card AND whatever cards you avoided losing to that card AND whatever those protected cards can give you in the future AND whatever the cards they give you can themselves give in the future AND oh just screw it and ban anything that removes or protects anything because by this point we've made out all negation to be a +5 that also causes a gain of lots of Life Points or something.

 

2) Solemn should be banned because it promotes a fast format when used in tandem with DAD and Gyzarus and whatever other big nuke stuff people are using, and it's pretty clear that Solemn is the problem here.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

:D

 

None, dear Crab.

 

Do proceed - it seems you've a lot to say.

 

Then I will.

 

His argument reaches the point where Jar of Greed should be banned because it lets you draw Dekoichi (+0/+0) which lets you draw (+1/+0) and blocks an attack of, shall we say, 2400 (+1/+2400), and the card you drew can then kill something by battle (+2/+2400), inflict damage by battle (+2/+3000), kill something by effect (+3/+3000), and block some incoming damage (+3/+5000), and it's quite obvious that any card that can give a +3 to Card Advantage and a +5000 to Life Point Advantage should be banned immediately. Also, Jar of Greed lets you draw DAD, so it causes field nukes and lucksack victories and an unspeakably fast format.

 

Solemn Judgments been unlimited for 8 years and no one ever had a problem with it before PTDN came out.

 

People've had problems with it since Six Sams' date=' not to say that they're right.

[/quote']

 

A large part of the article's thesis was that Solemn's presence causes the game to dissolve into a fast-paced exercise in nuke-swarm-win and that the only solution is to remove Solemn (or at least some copies of it) from circulation. Pika's counterargument is that Solemn quite obviously did not have this effect, and that the game did not reach that state until DAD came out - maybe, just maybe, the cards that do the nuking, swarming, and winning might have something to do with this?

 

Case history is far easier to use as a disproof than as a proof, especially when the thing being disproved is "Solemn will cause this to always happen always!" and the disproof is "Did its text change a year and a half ago?".

[Felix]

Solemn Judgments been unlimited for 8 years and no one ever had a problem with it before PTDN came out.

 

People've had problems with it since Six Sams' date=' not to say that they're right.

[/quote']

 

... even though we are.

[Tabris]

Then I will.

 

His argument reaches the point where Jar of Greed should be banned because it lets you draw Dekoichi (+0/+0) which lets you draw (+1/+0) and blocks an attack of, shall we say, 2400 (+1/+2400), and the card you drew can then kill something by battle (+2/+2400), inflict damage by battle (+2/+3000), kill something by effect (+3/+3000), and block some incoming damage (+3/+5000), and it's quite obvious that any card that can give a +3 to Card Advantage and a +5000 to Life Point Advantage should be banned immediately. Also, Jar of Greed lets you draw DAD, so it causes field nukes and lucksack victories and an unspeakably fast format.

 

As far as I know, he does have a problem with floaters per se, and had a long-running discussion in Pojo's banlist forums on the banworthiness of Stratos. (I do think you know this, but if not...)

 

Proceed from there, if ye wanna proceed some more.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

[spoiler=Really Long Quote]

And the moral of the story is that you should never use decent cards' date=' because Konami will take them down for the crime of seeing play.

[/quote']

 

Speakin' of which, I'm givin' y'all Jae's defense:

 

http://go-ygo.com/yugioh-ban-list-discussion-solemn-judgment-good/#more-687

 

Do read and spit.

 

EDIT: To those too lazy to read (GOODNESS), the moral of our never-champ's spin is this: Solemn's broke because it's used offensively, end of fuckin' story.

 

This is what I got out of the article:

 

1) When you use it, you gain advantage via the opponent's card AND whatever the opponent paid for that card AND whatever Life Points you avoided losing to that card AND whatever cards you avoided losing to that card AND whatever those protected cards can give you in the future AND whatever the cards they give you can themselves give in the future AND oh just screw it and ban anything that removes or protects anything because by this point we've made out all negation to be a +5 that also causes a gain of lots of Life Points or something.

 

2) Solemn should be banned because it promotes a fast format when used in tandem with DAD and Gyzarus and whatever other big nuke stuff people are using, and it's pretty clear that Solemn is the problem here.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

:D

 

None, dear Crab.

 

Do proceed - it seems you've a lot to say.

 

Then I will.

 

His argument reaches the point where Jar of Greed should be banned because it lets you draw Dekoichi (+0/+0) which lets you draw (+1/+0) and blocks an attack of, shall we say, 2400 (+1/+2400), and the card you drew can then kill something by battle (+2/+2400), inflict damage by battle (+2/+3000), kill something by effect (+3/+3000), and block some incoming damage (+3/+5000), and it's quite obvious that any card that can give a +3 to Card Advantage and a +5000 to Life Point Advantage should be banned immediately. Also, Jar of Greed lets you draw DAD, so it causes field nukes and lucksack victories and an unspeakably fast format.

 

Solemn Judgments been unlimited for 8 years and no one ever had a problem with it before PTDN came out.

 

People've had problems with it since Six Sams' date=' not to say that they're right.

[/quote']

 

A large part of the article's thesis was that Solemn's presence causes the game to dissolve into a fast-paced exercise in nuke-swarm-win and that the only solution is to remove Solemn (or at least some copies of it) from circulation. Pika's counterargument is that Solemn quite obviously did not have this effect, and that the game did not reach that state until DAD came out - maybe, just maybe, the cards that do the nuking, swarming, and winning might have something to do with this?

 

Case history is far easier to use as a disproof than as a proof, especially when the thing being disproved is "Solemn will cause this to always happen always!" and the disproof is "Did its text change a year and a half ago?".

 

 

 

 

Crab and Pika are correct, Solemn is not the problem. Why did it go 8 years with no limitations? Because the card itself is fair, it is the cards it is comboed and used with that are the problem. While I would be sad to see DAD and the other nukers go, they are the problem, not Solemn itself.

[CrabHelmet]

As far as I know' date=' he does have a problem with floaters per se, and had a long-running discussion in Pojo's banlist forums on the banworthiness of Stratos. (I do think you know this, but if not...)

[/quote']

 

I did see the discussion on Stratos, but if I recall correctly, the (intelligent) arguments against it had to do with the unique combination of how much support it had, how versatile it was, the quality of the cards it could tutor, its ability to attack after being Summoned, the fact that it floated instantly rather than after flipping or dying, and its fairly high ATK.

 

Incidentally, what was the outcome of that discussion? If there was a significant one, I mean, though there usually isn't.

 

Also, if he has a standing problem with floaters... this wouldn't be Shining Blue-Eyes, would it? I seem to remember him going into every topic to declare that floaters were the only cards worth playing and blah blah blah.

 

Proceed from there' date=' if ye wanna proceed some more.

[/quote']

 

There's really not much more to say beyond MOMENTUM AND TEMPO EXIST BAN EVERYTHING.

[tonisanoob]

only bad players want solemn banned as they hate it being used against their horrific combos

 

solemn lets be fair was fine where it was at, however my only gripe is i need to find 6 extra cards to put in my glad beast deck due to the funking list ¬_¬

[Guest PikaPerson01]

however my only gripe is i need to find 6 extra cards to put in my glad beast deck due to the f***ing list ¬_¬

B'AWW!!! I played Synchro Cat and lost 3 in my extra and 4 in my main and I'm not complaining. (Until... this post I guess... but I sold the DSFs on e-bay, and the majority of the main deck was almost all commons or rares, and the ones that weren't can easily find a new home in a new deck, like Mirror Force and whatnot.)

[CrabHelmet]

I played Crystal Beasts and lost... well, a Summon Priest and a Rescue Cat, but at least that's not TOO bad. Besides, it's not like I really play this game anyhow.