[DISC]Wrath of God

[burnpsy]

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Discard 1 card from your hand. Negate the activation of an Effect Monster's effect and destroy that Effect Monster.

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Viable side against cards with ignition effects?

[tonisanoob]

play it in glads

 

be an idiot

[burnpsy]

We know. Isn't the GB version of this just 4 threads down?

[Father Wolf]

Terrible Side for the current meta.

[BehindTheMask]

 

You rang?

 

Also, I like divine wrath.

[burnpsy]

Wolf, this can stop Cat, JD, DAD, all GBs, and nearly every other monster worth using in the meta.

 

How exactly is it a bad side?

 

Also, I knew someone would bring MtG into this.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Wolf' date=' this can stop Cat, JD, DAD, all GBs, and nearly every other monster worth using in the meta.[/quote']

 

Bottomless Trap Hole also hits quite a few of those, and it doesn't require a discard.

[Lazer Yoshi]

MAYBE in Counter Fairies, but not too likely.

[CrabHelmet]

It never made sense to me how "bury" meant monsters can't be regenerated while "destroy" meant they could. If you bury something, you give it a proper funeral and put its corpse in the ground ready for restoration, but if you destroy something, it's just completely obliterated. Seems backwards to me.

[Exiro]

It never made sense to me how "bury" meant monsters can't be regenerated while "destroy" meant they could. If you bury something' date=' you give it a proper funeral and put its corpse in the ground ready for restoration, but if you destroy something, it's just completely obliterated. Seems backwards to me.

[/quote']

 

Lol, true.

But they did scrap 'bury' a long time ago.

However, their mistake was not thinking of another keyword for it, and print the full text all the time. That was also stupid.

Of course, that is incomparable to how Konami only used the keyword 'piercing damage' once, and on all other cards, prints that whole pile of text that is simply annoying to read.

[CrabHelmet]

It never made sense to me how "bury" meant monsters can't be regenerated while "destroy" meant they could. If you bury something' date=' you give it a proper funeral and put its corpse in the ground ready for restoration, but if you destroy something, it's just completely obliterated. Seems backwards to me.

[/quote']

 

Lol, true.

But they did scrap 'bury' a long time ago.

However, their mistake was not thinking of another keyword for it, and print the full text all the time. That was also stupid.

Of course, that is incomparable to how Konami only used the keyword 'piercing damage' once, and on all other cards, prints that whole pile of text that is simply annoying to read.

 

Konami should use more keywords in general. Piercing would be nice, but what about Union, where the monsters actually have "Union" written as an extra-type but still have the seven lines of text explaining their effect each time? Ditto for Gemini, which doesn't even have as much variation as Union Monsters (where there are at least some minor differences between cards regarding whether they can block all destruction or just destruction by battle)?

[Mysty]

It never made sense to me how "bury" meant monsters can't be regenerated while "destroy" meant they could. If you bury something' date=' you give it a proper funeral and put its corpse in the ground ready for restoration, but if you destroy something, it's just completely obliterated. Seems backwards to me.

[/quote']

 

Lol, true.

But they did scrap 'bury' a long time ago.

However, their mistake was not thinking of another keyword for it, and print the full text all the time. That was also stupid.

Of course, that is incomparable to how Konami only used the keyword 'piercing damage' once, and on all other cards, prints that whole pile of text that is simply annoying to read.

 

Konami should use more keywords in general. Piercing would be nice, but what about Union, where the monsters actually have "Union" written as an extra-type but still have the seven lines of text explaining their effect each time? Ditto for Gemini, which doesn't even have as much variation as Union Monsters (where there are at least some minor differences between cards regarding whether they can block all destruction or just destruction by battle)?

 

I think the main idea is that Konami doesn't want to use keywords except for those really needed, like activate, discard, Tribute, etc. After all, you would have to instantly know that piercing damage meant that a monster with higher ATK will inflict damage whether or not the opponent's monster is in Attack or Defense Position, and they would have to add that term to the rulebook. Konami probably doesn't want effects on a card that won't mean anything to a new player. Magic: The Gathering remedies this situation with Core Sets that use the reminder text of each keyword ability. Yugioh really doesn't have any core set types of sets except for the Dark Beginning and Dark Revelation Booster Sets.

Also, how would you make Union a keyword. There are a few parts to a Union ability: what the monster can be equipped to, what ability it gives the equipped monster, and the text in the parentheses. All 3 of those things can be different on each card. Gemini, however, I can see being made into a keyword, but how would it be worded?

[RyanAtlus]

It never made sense to me how "bury" meant monsters can't be regenerated while "destroy" meant they could. If you bury something' date=' you give it a proper funeral and put its corpse in the ground ready for restoration, but if you destroy something, it's just completely obliterated. Seems backwards to me.

[/quote']

 

Lol, true.

But they did scrap 'bury' a long time ago.

However, their mistake was not thinking of another keyword for it, and print the full text all the time. That was also stupid.

Of course, that is incomparable to how Konami only used the keyword 'piercing damage' once, and on all other cards, prints that whole pile of text that is simply annoying to read.

 

Konami should use more keywords in general. Piercing would be nice, but what about Union, where the monsters actually have "Union" written as an extra-type but still have the seven lines of text explaining their effect each time? Ditto for Gemini, which doesn't even have as much variation as Union Monsters (where there are at least some minor differences between cards regarding whether they can block all destruction or just destruction by battle)?

 

I think the main idea is that Konami doesn't want to use keywords except for those really needed, like activate, discard, Tribute, etc. After all, you would have to instantly know that piercing damage meant that a monster with higher ATK will inflict damage whether or not the opponent's monster is in Attack or Defense Position, and they would have to add that term to the rulebook. Konami probably doesn't want effects on a card that won't mean anything to a new player. Magic: The Gathering remedies this situation with Core Sets that use the reminder text of each keyword ability. Yugioh really doesn't have any core set types of sets except for the Dark Beginning and Dark Revelation Booster Sets.

Also, how would you make Union a keyword. There are a few parts to a Union ability: what the monster can be equipped to, what ability it gives the equipped monster, and the text in the parentheses. All 3 of those things can be different on each card. Gemini, however, I can see being made into a keyword, but how would it be worded?

 

When this Card is Gemini Summoned, it gains the following effect: ...

[EnkoMaun]

It never made sense to me how "bury" meant monsters can't be regenerated while "destroy" meant they could. If you bury something' date=' you give it a proper funeral and put its corpse in the ground ready for restoration, but if you destroy something, it's just completely obliterated. Seems backwards to me.

[/quote']

 

Lol, true.

But they did scrap 'bury' a long time ago.

However, their mistake was not thinking of another keyword for it, and print the full text all the time. That was also stupid.

Of course, that is incomparable to how Konami only used the keyword 'piercing damage' once, and on all other cards, prints that whole pile of text that is simply annoying to read.

 

Konami should use more keywords in general. Piercing would be nice, but what about Union, where the monsters actually have "Union" written as an extra-type but still have the seven lines of text explaining their effect each time? Ditto for Gemini, which doesn't even have as much variation as Union Monsters (where there are at least some minor differences between cards regarding whether they can block all destruction or just destruction by battle)?

 

I think the main idea is that Konami doesn't want to use keywords except for those really needed, like activate, discard, Tribute, etc. After all, you would have to instantly know that piercing damage meant that a monster with higher ATK will inflict damage whether or not the opponent's monster is in Attack or Defense Position, and they would have to add that term to the rulebook. Konami probably doesn't want effects on a card that won't mean anything to a new player. Magic: The Gathering remedies this situation with Core Sets that use the reminder text of each keyword ability. Yugioh really doesn't have any core set types of sets except for the Dark Beginning and Dark Revelation Booster Sets.

Also, how would you make Union a keyword. There are a few parts to a Union ability: what the monster can be equipped to, what ability it gives the equipped monster, and the text in the parentheses. All 3 of those things can be different on each card. Gemini, however, I can see being made into a keyword, but how would it be worded?

 

When this Card is Gemini Summoned, it gains the following effect: ...

 

nope.

Gemini's effect's activate when they're Normal Summoned once more time.

If it was a kind of a special summon, maybe. But it's not.

 

Making gemini effects into a keyword is kinda tough.

 

But Unions can be done.

 

Like: "Once per turn, you can Unite this card with "Dark Blade" (or wutevah) OR Special Summon this United Monster to your side of the field."

 

And konami can add that to the rulebook, are they that lazy?

 

They wasted 2-3 pages on synchros.

[CrabHelmet]

Union with Dark Blade: this stuff happens. (Protects destruction by battle.)

Gemini: this stuff happens.

Spirit.

 

Wording really isn't much of a problem when you're using keywords, since keywords are designed to avoid long and complicated wording.

 

Also, they should make more Toons and should make Class A and Class C keywords. There's only one Class B, so that wouldn't really be needed unless they made more (which they should).

[Von Csent]

Gemini is ridiculously easy to keyword. Include "Gemini" on the type-line, and write the effect as if it were a regular effect monster. Since Gemini's have no effect upon the first Normal summon, the "Gemini" type is all that is required to indicate that the effect activates when it is summoned again.

 

Basically, Konami needs to utilize the type-line more. Of course, most of the cards we are discussing have a sub-type anyway, so it is not going to be much of an adjustment.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Why are discussing keywords?

[Von Csent]

Why are discussing keywords?

 

Topics evolve.

[Dweller of Parables]

So why is Wrath of God in this thread?

Unearth.

Vigilance.

Haste.

Evoke.

...

Better terms.

[Exiro]

I think the main idea is that Konami doesn't want to use keywords except for those really needed' date=' like activate, discard, Tribute, etc.

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Actually, these aren't keywords.

If you'd write out the definition of 'discard', you'd probably get 'send to the Graveyard from your hand', but that is something different from discarding. Same for Tribute. They're the simplest ways to write them.

[Mysty]

I think the main idea is that Konami doesn't want to use keywords except for those really needed' date=' like activate, discard, Tribute, etc.

[/quote']

 

Actually, these aren't keywords.

If you'd write out the definition of 'discard', you'd probably get 'send to the Graveyard from your hand', but that is something different from discarding. Same for Tribute. They're the simplest ways to write them.

 

Actually, Tribute means "offer as a Tribute" if that counts, though that is basically errata. Tributing technically isn't a word. My main point still stands though. It would be a good idea to give more meaning to the subtypes rather than just labeling cards, such as built-in effects. My question is: how would the following card be errata'd to be worded correctly if the Spirit subtype gained the stereotypical Spirit effects?

[CrabHelmet]

Just add a note saying that it doesn't follow usual Spirit rules. It's the same as the way Magic's cards with no coloured cost can have little notes saying "_______ is blue" or whatever to give them a colour.

 

You know what we need a keyword for? "To be destroy as a result of battle and sent to the graveyard". That could be condensed into one word very easily, and it shows up so often that it would easily be worthwhile.

[Von Csent]

Yomato-no-Kami would be worded as is, but remove the bounce clause.

 

You know what we need a keyword for? "To be destroy as a result of battle and sent to the graveyard". That could be condensed into one word very easily' date=' and it shows up so often that it would easily be worthwhile.

[/quote']

 

Though the Censors wouldn't like it, "kill" is an appropriate word. Ex: "When this card is killed..." Other alternatives include "slay" and "execute".

[CrabHelmet]

TO BE DESTROY

 

Nice typing there, Crab.

[Guest Delinquent Girl NiAtSoFi]

My Body As A Shield is better. It negates Spells and Traps as well for only 1500 life.