God or the Bigbang Theory

[Flame Dragon]

Big Bang' date=' but what caused the Big Bang?

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Alright, I will explain this once.

Everything that exists right now, all the matter, has always existed. It doesn't matter what it has been, what it is, or what it will be, but it was, is and shall remain, as something.

 

Let's assume that the universe extends itself (which has a whole theory behind it as well, that you just got to believe or not) and go back to a very small time after the Big Bang. All the matter existed back then as well, but it had little space, as the universe was very small. All the stars, planets, etc. etc. were thrown together in this small universe, which caused extremely high temperatures.

 

Now let's go to a moment in time a very little earlier than the previous moment. The same amount of matter existed, but the universe was even smaller, which caused even higher temperatures. Every time the volume of the universe halves, the temperature doubles.

 

Finally, we will go back in time as much as possible, when the universe... didn't exist yet. All the matter that exists, existed back then. But there was no space, which means that the temperature is more than Googol. Even more than Googolplex. It was infinitely high! No, even higher! To measure the temperature at the very beginning of the universe, one would have t-

 

 

 

Where did that matter come from?

 

Lulz' date=' idunno!

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You know no one here knows what a Googol or Googolplex is right?

 

It's where that matter came that is important. Was it as string theory says and there are a hundreds of universes and ours formed when two of them came in contact. But if this is the case, how did the other universe form. At some point you come to a point of nothing and it is then that you must decide, was it that matter has always been, or is it that some higher power set everything in motion.

[OMGAKITTY]

Big Bang' date=' but what caused the Big Bang?

[/quote']

 

Alright, I will explain this once.

Everything that exists right now, all the matter, has always existed. It doesn't matter what it has been, what it is, or what it will be, but it was, is and shall remain, as something.

 

Let's assume that the universe extends itself (which has a whole theory behind it as well, that you just got to believe or not) and go back to a very small time after the Big Bang. All the matter existed back then as well, but it had little space, as the universe was very small. All the stars, planets, etc. etc. were thrown together in this small universe, which caused extremely high temperatures.

 

Now let's go to a moment in time a very little earlier than the previous moment. The same amount of matter existed, but the universe was even smaller, which caused even higher temperatures. Every time the volume of the universe halves, the temperature doubles.

 

Finally, we will go back in time as much as possible, when the universe... didn't exist yet. All the matter that exists, existed back then. But there was no space, which means that the temperature is more than Googol. Even more than Googolplex. It was infinitely high! No, even higher! To measure the temperature at the very beginning of the universe, one would have t-

 

 

 

Where did that matter come from?

 

Lulz' date=' idunno!

[/quote']

You know no one here knows what a Googol or Googolplex is right?

 

It's where that matter came that is important. Was it as string theory says and there are a hundreds of universes and ours formed when two of them came in contact. But if this is the case, how did the other universe form. At some point you come to a point of nothing and it is then that you must decide, was it that matter has always been, or is it that some higher power set everything in motion.

 

I resent that. I know what Googol and Googoplex are.

[Flame Dragon]

Big Bang' date=' but what caused the Big Bang?

[/quote']

 

Alright, I will explain this once.

Everything that exists right now, all the matter, has always existed. It doesn't matter what it has been, what it is, or what it will be, but it was, is and shall remain, as something.

 

Let's assume that the universe extends itself (which has a whole theory behind it as well, that you just got to believe or not) and go back to a very small time after the Big Bang. All the matter existed back then as well, but it had little space, as the universe was very small. All the stars, planets, etc. etc. were thrown together in this small universe, which caused extremely high temperatures.

 

Now let's go to a moment in time a very little earlier than the previous moment. The same amount of matter existed, but the universe was even smaller, which caused even higher temperatures. Every time the volume of the universe halves, the temperature doubles.

 

Finally, we will go back in time as much as possible, when the universe... didn't exist yet. All the matter that exists, existed back then. But there was no space, which means that the temperature is more than Googol. Even more than Googolplex. It was infinitely high! No, even higher! To measure the temperature at the very beginning of the universe, one would have t-

 

 

 

Where did that matter come from?

 

Lulz' date=' idunno!

[/quote']

You know no one here knows what a Googol or Googolplex is right?

 

It's where that matter came that is important. Was it as string theory says and there are a hundreds of universes and ours formed when two of them came in contact. But if this is the case, how did the other universe form. At some point you come to a point of nothing and it is then that you must decide, was it that matter has always been, or is it that some higher power set everything in motion.

 

I resent that. I know what Googol and Googoplex are.

One of the few. Besides how could no one know if Exiro and myself knew?

[Womi]

I know it too, btw. Thats where Google got it's name from.

And at the beggining, all the mass was concentrated in a onedimensional point which didnt have any size. So, there is the nothing that isnt a nothing. The fact that a onedimensional zone doesnt have any size and expansion but still can contain an unlimited amount of mass and potential energy shows how something can come into being out of nothing.

[Shonen Jump™]

interesting points of view =P

bump

[Silas Angel]

God created it all.

[Enrise]

God created it all.

 

Where is the proof that he created it all? You have none. Exactly.

You have just about as much proof as the Big Bang.

 

 

<_< Sorry, my other side sometimes takes over when something religious is being brought up.

[Womi]

God created it all.

 

Look at my posts, pl0x.

[Willieh]

My Theory: The universe it'self never started, but this is too complicated for most people to understand because of their "EVERYTHING HAS TO START!" mindset. Also the Universe will never end as it is timeless.

 

Also god doesn't exist.

 

So neither. ^ ^

[Womi]

My Theory: The universe [it'self never started] correct' date=' but this is too complicated for most people to understand because of their "EVERYTHING HAS TO START!" mindset. Also the Universe will never end [b'][[/b]as it is timeless] wrong.

 

[Also god doesn't exist] correct.

 

So neither. ^ ^

 

Time can neither begin nor disappear. There's no place with and no place without time. So the statement I marked as wrong is....wrong.

[The Dark One]

It's a very simple philosophical decision. You're either forced to face infinite regression or an uncaused cause. The fact is, sticking God in to solve the problem of infinite regression just causes the other impossibility, and also just adds another step. Therefore, you can eliminate him using Occam's Razor.

 

This being said, Occam's Razor is not provable. It's is entirely possible that a god or gods exist. Just keep in mind that the same process that allows for the existence of God (you can't prove that he doesn't) also allows for the existence of flying spaghetti monsters, mutated killer rabbits, talking chairs, ghosts, magic, telepathic dogs and absolutely any other phenomena you care to think up.

 

Because of the impossibility of living your life in such a way that takes into account the possibility of all those theoretical circumstances, it is generally accepted that the burden of proof lays not upon the atheist but the theist. Just as a self-proclaimed wizard would not be believed until he proved his supposed abilities, does it not make sense to discard the notion of a god until such a time as that theoretical god definitively makes himself known?

[Phantasy Dreamz]

these craps never works
when you compare religion with science
bogus + booger = crap

[Raelen]

[align=center]I believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, Three in One.

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[Super Chaos Sonic]

Its God.Think about it,earth and everything else had to be created by one being.Just think of it as a painting.

[Cyber Altair]

Big Bang.

[Красивая Ведьма]

God created the world through the Big Bang. Same story different version and all are true.

[Dark]

Here is a fun answer. Neither.

 

I do not believe in the theory of "God" because it is so far fetched, it seems irrational to me, and something must have created God, or in some religions, a human needed to exist in order to become God. God creates humans, but humans become God. There are so many holes in the theory of God, that I choose to not believe in Him/Her/Other.

 

The Big Bang theory also has its problems. How can nothing (or in some cases, a single atom) explode into an ever-expanding universe? How come there is no evidence of any explosion?

 

Both theories have holes in them, so I would choose neither, and probably think of another possibly way we were all created. However, I would favor more towards the Big Bang theory, as it is barely plausible, while God is irrational, and also, lolreligion.

 

inb4anotherreligiondebate

 

Did you know that the Catholic Church shuns Pokemon because it has evolution, which contradicts creationism from the Bible?

[OMGAKITTY]

Please don't use Catholicism as an example of Christianity as a whole -_____-

[Dark]

It's an lolreligion statement. Being up-to-date with internet memes, you should have figured that our yourself.

[Tabris]

Prove he doesn't exist.

If God doesn't exist' date=' then why do people do good things for others? Why do, even as adults when there is no one breathing down our necks, feel bad for doing horrible things? No one is watching you in the dark alley, and the person you hate is right in front of you, and you have a knife in your hand, and yet, you can't kill him. There is something, in the deepest reaches of your heart, that science could never make. If there is no one watching you when you are in that dark alley, then why can't you kill them? There's no one there, right? Wrong. You're conscience, your kindness that you have, science couldn't make that. If there is no one breathing down you're neck, then why not just take everything everybody has? You can't, because you know deep down it's wrong. But who could've put that there? Without it, our race would be destroyed. But science doesn't care if we all die, atoms don't care. So who did care enough to give us the restraint to keep ourselves alive? God. Who gave us the ability to do good, for no reason, just because you want to? God. You say if he let people die, he must not exist. Well, he knows that they've done all they could in life, so he brings them back to heaven.

 

To sum it up, science couldn't make the natural kindness in your soul. Science couldn't make your consciense, because if there is no god, then that means there are no real rules, because there is no one above you. Yet, you cannot kill them in the dark alley, because you know it's wrong, but in a world where only science exists, then there is no wrong or right, right? Wrong. God has given us order, kindness, and restraint. Most don't know how to use it, however, but that's beside the point. God has given us the things science never could. A soul, the knowledge to know right from wrong.

 

Also, was it just coincidence that all the elements that do those specific things, which we don't know why they do those specific things, were placed into the couldron called the universe? I think not.

 

You may believe whatever you want to believe, but this is what I believe.

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We can't prove he exists - not right now - but we can at least shade probabilities.

 

Anyhow, why do I feel bad when I show an unruly neighbor a piece of cement? Maybe because evolution made us so, such that we feel generous and kind without us knowing the reason why. Maybe there's a sky-fay out there who gave us all those things you speak of, then confounds us with authoritarian edicts (see yer Exodus fer further clarification). I tend to believe the former to be the authoritative answer, with all the evidence before me.

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Here is a fun answer. Neither.

 

I do not believe in the theory of "God" because it is so far fetched' date=' it seems irrational to me, and something must have created God, or in some religions, a human needed to exist in order to become God. God creates humans, but humans become God. There are so many holes in the theory of God, that I choose to not believe in Him/Her/Other.

 

The Big Bang theory also has its problems. How can nothing (or in some cases, a single atom) explode into an ever-expanding universe? How come there is no evidence of any explosion?

 

Both theories have holes in them, so I would choose neither, and probably think of another possibly way we were all created. However, I would favor more towards the Big Bang theory, as it is barely plausible, while God is irrational, and also, lolreligion.

 

inb4anotherreligiondebate

 

[i']Did you know that the Catholic Church shuns Pokemon because it has evolution, which contradicts creationism from the Bible?[/i]

 

Ridiculous sheet.

 

But anyhow, about the Big Bang, it entirely possible that this universe came from another universe. I don't have the materials to discuss it further, but google Lee Smolin (or so I think his name is).

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Please don't use Catholicism as an example of Christianity as a whole -_____-

 

Why not? Apart from some minor issues (to me - on the Trinity, the saints, Mary, Mother of God bullshit), Christians are still Christians.

[Kizzi]

What do you mean "God or the Bigbang Theory"? Is this in a fight or something? Actually, now that I come to think of it, it's disappointing that the Big Bang isn't in Faith Fighter, but I suppose it would be difficult to craft a move set for an explosion. Regardless, in Faith Fighter, God kicks ass. However, this probably isn't what you're talking about, as it's only a simulation. In a real fight I think God would just have to duck behind a few elementary particles and the outward force would do the rest. I suppose after that God would win by default. It's an interesting scenario though. On further thought, it is a bloody massive explosion. Yeah, I've changed my mind. I'm going to vouch for the Big Bang.

[The Dark One]

@ Awesome66: Altruism and morality are fully explained by the more complete evolutionary theories. Darwin's original concept of "survival of the fittest" has turned out to be a little simplistic. Instead of selfish organisms, we see a phenomena called the "selfish gene." Go read about it.

 

@ Dark: The Catholic Faith officially accepts evolution as a possibility (though it doesn't specifically support it, but that's good, because evolution isn't really under religious jurisdiction), and has for a while now. At least get your facts straight.

 

And at OMGAKITTY: Don't be a bigot. Catholicism is no more (or not significantly) idiotic than any other branch of Christianity. Seriously, why is it always the RELIGIOUS people that jump at each others' throats? It seems like they should all just be friendsd and come beat up us big bad athiests.

[PowerlinX]

The Big Bang Theaory is bulls***. God is my choice.

[OMGAKITTY]

@ Awesome66: Altruism and morality are fully explained by the more complete evolutionary theories. Darwin's original concept of "survival of the fittest" has turned out to be a little simplistic. Instead of selfish organisms' date=' we see a phenomena called the "selfish gene." Go read about it.

 

@ Dark: The Catholic Faith officially accepts evolution as a possibility (though it doesn't specifically support it, but that's good, because evolution isn't really under religious jurisdiction), and has for a while now. At least get your facts straight.

 

And at OMGAKITTY: Don't be a bigot. Catholicism is no more (or not significantly) idiotic than any other branch of Christianity. Seriously, why is it always the RELIGIOUS people that jump at each others' throats? It seems like they should all just be friendsd and come beat up us big bad athiests.

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Sorry. I don't agree with a lot of things that the Catholic church says, and it always seems that everyone views Christianity as a whole as Catholicism, I get a little tired of it.

[Skuldur]

I believe that God created the big bang.