Mehmani Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I want to make a point. What most people think of as Atheism, isn't Atheism. Anyone that believes that Religion is wrong and should be destroyed (e.g. Me) is actually an Anti-Theist. A-the-ist - No-god-ist.Anti-the-ist - Against-god-ist. See the difference? Atheists believe there is no God, but don't crow about it to everyone.Anti-Theists (e.g. Me, Richard Dawkins) believe there is no God and want to destroy all Religion, thinking it is the bane of society and causes huge bias. Just a simple point. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octiles Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I don't care, actually =/ The name doesn't matter as long as we understand what we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Anti-Theism 4 Lyfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindingTheEverlight Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I knew the difference. I honestly can go both ways on this. First of all I don't believe in God, and I believe the word's "under God" should be removed from the pledge. I guess that's about as far into it as I'll go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maliki Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismal Euphony Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I don't believe in God, but I respect other people's beliefs in God because I expect them to respect the fact that I don't. I'm not going to rant and rave about how God doesn't exist and how people shouldn't believe in him, so I expect that people don't rant and rave about how he does exist and how I should believe in him. It annoys the hell out of me. I believe the word's "under God" should be removed from the pledge. This. Not everyone believes that this country is under someone that they don't believe in/worship. My friend is 100% Native American and his family practices a weird old Native American religion that does not worship a God. He refuses to pledge to the flag in school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Most religions in the world worship some sort of deity, so it's not like it's a violation of Church and State. Removing the words "under God" from the pledge would only further vilify the religious people of the nation, by saying that their beliefs are undeserving of being part of our nation's heritage. It is a pointless action that serves only to demean religion. Also, on the point of the difference between athiest and anti-theist, does it really matter, take things on a case by case basis, when rights are infringed upon, there is a problem, but other than that, people have a right to think what they think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Most religions in the world worship some sort of deity' date=' so it's not like it's a violation of Church and State. Removing the words "under God" from the pledge would only further vilify the religious people of the nation, by saying that their beliefs are undeserving of being part of our nation's heritage. It is a pointless action that serves only to demean religion.[/quote'] Then why doesn't money say "under Ganesh/Krishna/Allah"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Because we're a Western society, where the primary religion calls it's deity God, but it still has the same meaning of under Ganesh/Krishna/Allah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ganesh is not "the one" and would not qualify as such on money. He is just a demi-urge, so to speak. (like a Seraphim in the Order of Heaven) Krishna is merely an avatar of the one, Brahman is the one eternal, and it is not conscious because Hinduism is not founded on BULLSHIT, DARWINIZED WESTERN PHILOSOPHY OF POSSESSIONS = WORTH. Now I don't care whether or not God exists; reality is based on what I want it and believe it to be, not what some objective, logical bullshit makes it. If I believe in god, he exists to me, if I don't, he doesn't. Saying that any system of belief that doesn't interact with the necessary function of a being is "wrong" is unjust and is an inherently wrong and stupid thing to do. Anti-theism overlooks the fact that Religion is the most necessary thing on the earth today. People are more easily controlled when the ruled group believes the same things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I know that Ganesh and Krishna are not "the one", but they are still deities which are prayed to by a certain religious group. The problem with anti-theism is that it infringes upon the rights of religious people to worship freely, by attempting to institutionalize the idea that religion is inherently evil and should be removed from the populace and from government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Religion should be the tool of government; people should all believe the same thing and there should not be religious FREEDOM. But there should still be religion. If morality deceives, then the entire world should be deceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsoleteAcc Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Most religions in the world worship some sort of deity' date=' so it's not like it's a violation of Church and State. Removing the words "under God" from the pledge would only further vilify the religious people of the nation, by saying that their beliefs are undeserving of being part of our nation's heritage. It is a pointless action that serves only to demean religion. Also, on the point of the difference between athiest and anti-theist, does it really matter, take things on a case by case basis, when rights are infringed upon, there is a problem, but other than that, people have a right to think what they think.[/quote']well if it can say "under god" why cant they have "against god" or "down with god" lolits simply becuz the majority is christian and its corrupting everything this country was built on. religion is really ruining this country and all others. the orignal pledge did not have "under god" at all, it was added by the christian church. which is bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 - It was not added by the Church, and if you're going to make a claim like that, have something to back it up.- The United States was founded based on a Judeo-Christian morality, by a group of people who had originally come to the new world seeking freedom from the tyrannical religious oppression in England. - Because having "against God" is defamatory, and derogatory towards a specific group, and so is illegal as it infringes upon that group's rights, it's the same as Hate Speech, though not falling under that particular segment of laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid. Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I know the difference, and i always have. I remember it like this... A-Without Theism-ReligionAnti-Against Theism-Religion lol.But i respect your decision, for its your decision. Religion, like what Static said, is something to calm the people of Earth. Its your direction, and without direction where are you? Its something that people need too have in their lives because without it, what else would we be? We have to believe in something, and it could be compared to breathing. We have to have the idea of something to believe in, as well as having the air to breathe. As much as the human mind can think of there is religion to "back it up". As long as we have imagination, Religion will exist. Thats because its logical to think that something MUST have put us here, something must have made the earth, the stars, and the people. In the end, we all suffer the same fate. And in the end, we wont know who's right or who's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehemohurts Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 guys guys guys dont argue about god or else youll go to hell its times like these when i say, "what would jesus do" he would make everything better and happier and awesome jesus 4 life man christianity ruels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 guys guys guys dont argue about god or else youll go to hell its times like these when i say' date=' "what would jesus do" he would make everything better and happier and awesome jesus 4 life man christianity ruels[/quote'] fail troll is fail. Who's dupe account is this? Nazello? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehemohurts Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 guys guys guys dont argue about god or else youll go to hell its times like these when i say' date=' "what would jesus do" he would make everything better and happier and awesome jesus 4 life man christianity ruels[/quote'] fail troll is fail. Who's dupe account is this? Nazello? yeah it's nazello lol XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmodius Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 The real question is, who gives a funk? I don't believe in god, but I don't go around saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrise Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 guys guys guys dont argue about god or else youll go to hell its times like these when i say' date=' "what would jesus do" he would make everything better and happier and awesome jesus 4 life man christianity ruels[/quote'] Screw what Jesus would do, he's not you, if you got yourself into a mess you get out yourself. And hi Nazello. Anti-Theism, I think it's rubbing off of meh <_<Atheism/Agnostic, this is like me I guess? But I hate people who preach on how great their religion is. Pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparta™ Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I believe both Anti - Theists and Atheists have wrong ideas. But that's me. I'm Christian, so I guess I should feel that way. But I don't hate Atheists or Anti - Theists, in fact, one of my best friends is an Atheist. I have no problem with them, I just feel they have it all wrong and that there is a true religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I know that Ganesh and Krishna are not "the one"' date=' but they are still deities which are prayed to by a certain religious group. The problem with [b']anti-theism is that it infringes upon the rights of religious people to worship freely, by attempting to institutionalize the idea that religion is inherently evil[/b] and should be removed from the populace and from government. Wrong. Read a book, watch a program about it.Anti-Theism promotes the destruction of religion. Some people go around doing it all the time, I don't. Do you think it's wrong to dismiss all Christians as nutjobs? I is certain you will think that is wrong and answer 'yes'. Am I right? Then why do you dismiss all Anti-Theists as xenophobic professors? Oh, and what makes your Christian God any more real than Brahma or Allah? Tell me, please tell me! If you have absolute, incriminating proof, then show me. Tell me. Go on, are you too afraid? Must you crawl back under the ridiculous bandwagon of faith? That is my opinion, and you have told me yours. I respect that.The real question is' date=' who gives a f***? I don't believe in god, but I don't go around saying it.[/quote'] I'm not saying anything. I'm not telling everyone to become an Atheist. I'm merely informing them of the difference between Anti-Theism and Atheism, and the way they are percieved in Popular Culture and Media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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