[DISC]Stardust Dragon

[burnpsy]

 

[Jericho]

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck, stops a lot of stuff, counted by anything that removes stuff from play. /thread

[burnpsy]

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck' date=' stops a lot of stuff, counted by anything that removes stuff from play [b']without saying that it destroys the card in the process[/b]. /thread

 

Fixed.

[Darkerai]

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck' date=' stops a lot of stuff, counted by anything that [b']bounces[/b] or removes stuff from play without saying that it destroys the card in the process. /thread

 

Fixed.

[CrabHelmet]

Should be banned. As I have said before, granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate. The argument that it does nothing if you just don't run destruction fails because destruction is such a fundamentally powerful effect, and the removal that does not "destroy" is so weak by comparison, that simply dropping destruction cards just for the purpose of not being countered by this is an insane cost even before this card hits the field.

 

Its use has only seen any decrease at all because of the other broken cards also present in the legal card pool, in the same way that Treeborn Frog stopped seeing play once DAD came out.

[Static]

Should be banned. As I have said before' date=' granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate. The argument that it does nothing if you just don't run destruction fails because destruction is such a fundamentally powerful effect, and the removal that does not "destroy" is so weak by comparison, that simply dropping destruction cards just for the purpose of not being countered by this is an insane cost even before this card hits the field.

 

Its use has only seen any decrease at all because of the other broken cards also present in the legal card pool, in the same way that Treeborn Frog stopped seeing play once DAD came out.

[/quote']

 

Are you actually being serious?

 

It's easily run over, the effect isn't terrific, and it's easily played around. It's obviously a folly argument to say that running "non-destruction" cards would be the alternative that proves that Stardust is fair. But honestly, when is Stardust ever your first choice pick to sync for given the opportunity to sync for 8 stars? He's not the best 8 star synchro by any means. Logically, he should be because he should be able to +1 every time there a destruction card is played, and he is basically invulnerable to any card that "destroys." However, in actual play, it's very rare that Stardust Dragon ever makes a serious impact; it only takes a bigger monster, something easily synched out for, to run him over.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

The ultimate rare is hideous.

[Lazer Yoshi]

If you have at least 1 Tuner in your Deck, you better have as many copies of this card as possible.

Possibly the best Synchro.

My response in a picture:

[Guest JoshIcy]

Staple in any deck that includes a tuner?

[Manjoume Thunder]

Staple in any deck that includes a tuner?

[Captain Lawless]

• If I was a loaded little SoB i'd grab 3x Ghost rare, but no, I quit anyway because of kids that
  could do that to me >>; So...
  
• Bannable, at least limited by the next list. Not like it really does anything, all you need is
  one...look at Goyo and Brionac :P
  

[Static]

Best Synchro?

 

Umm..

 

[Manjoume Thunder]

Best Synchro?

 

Umm..

 

 

Fixed

[evilhorus]

Best Synchro?

 

Umm..

 

 

Fixed

 

lol

 

OT: That Ghost Rare is smexy. =D Limitable, but dont ban him. Yusei would be sad :p

[Sparta™]

Best Synchro?

 

Umm..

 

 

Fixed

 

lol

 

OT: That Ghost Rare is smexy. =D Limitable' date=' but dont ban him. Yusei would be [s']sad[/s] DEADLEH :p

 

Fixed.

 

Anyway, love the card. For once, Konami did something good and made this and Red Dragon Archfiend, along with other Synchros. The only thing that pisses me off is when you Synchro Summon and your opponent uses Solemn, and it negates your summoning, while if it was successfully played on the field, you could have negated solemn. XD

[tonisanoob]

im actually going to disagree with crab this time, the card is easily counterd by many cards that are decked regularly

 

in my glad beast deck not only do i have synchros to counter it i have solem, glad chariot, retiari, herk, and shrink and brain control all of which can counter this card

 

and yes everythign in the game can be counterd but this card cis soo easily played around nowaday, also a lot of decks dont even run destruction cards aside from heavy storm

 

this card is good but its not the best card ever or good enough to be banned

[Tickle Me Emo]

All thats ran that this can stop is the occasional vortex and mirror force, Judgment Dragon and DAD, which can rape this in terms of stats and wont need to nuke it, Bottomless Trap Hole, and heavy storm.

 

Thought Ruler Archfiend>this

 

On a side note, DDCrow makes this card cry, which is why I still main crows, cause its funny to see kids cry cause game 1 their SDD got removed.

 

edits are bold:

[Toffee.]

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck

Instant Fusion + Junk Synchron

 

Should be banned. As I have said before' date=' granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate.[/quote']

Crab, You know that Konami will simply say: "Its Yusei's main card, so we cant possibly ban it now!"

[SephirothKirby]

I really don't know where I want this on a banlist. More than anything I want an errata, that make it's conditions stricter. But Goyo first.

[EnkoMaun]

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck

Instant Fusion + Junk Synchron

 

Should be banned. As I have said before' date=' granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate.[/quote']

Crab, You know that Konami will simply say: "Its Yusei's main card, so we cant possibly ban it now!"

^this.

Konami's gaining too much money from little kids that make their parents buy millions of packs just to pull a Stardust Dragon, because YUSEI USES IT.

If it got banned, (although not many children are aware of the banlist, at least not here) then kids would say "Stardust Dragon's banned. I wanna be Yusei, but I can't so I quit!" and wouldn't buy cards.

The mind of a six-year old, people.

[Toffee.]

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck

Instant Fusion + Junk Synchron

 

Should be banned. As I have said before' date=' granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate.[/quote']

Crab, You know that Konami will simply say: "Its Yusei's main card, so we cant possibly ban it now!"

^this.

Konami's gaining too much money from little kids that make their parents buy millions of packs just to pull a Stardust Dragon, because YUSEI USES IT.

If it got banned, (although not many children are aware of the banlist, at least not here) then kids would say "Stardust Dragon's banned. I wanna be Yusei, but I can't so I quit!" and wouldn't buy cards.

The mind of a six-year old, people.

^This, again^

This is why Jaden's Hero-related cards were never really limited.

Stratos doesnt count, since he never summoned it in the show, and in the book it had like 2 different effects.

[Guest Star]

im actually going to disagree with crab this time' date=' the card is easily counterd by many cards that are decked regularly

 

in my glad beast deck not only do i have synchros to counter it i have solem, glad chariot, retiari, herk, and shrink and brain control all of which can counter this card

 

and yes everythign in the game can be counterd but this card cis soo easily played around nowaday, also a lot of decks dont even run destruction cards aside from heavy storm

 

this card is good but its not the best card ever or good enough to be banned

[/quote']

 

Just because the card is counterable, doesn't mean it's not banworthy. The simplicity of Summoning it in addition to the incredible effect completely outweights that aspect.

[CrabHelmet]

I skimmed tonisanoob's post, saw the word "nowadays", and decided not to read it.

 

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck

Instant Fusion + Junk Synchron

 

Should be banned. As I have said before' date=' granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate.[/quote']

Crab, You know that Konami will simply say: "Its Yusei's main card, so we cant possibly ban it now!"

^this.

Konami's gaining too much money from little kids that make their parents buy millions of packs just to pull a Stardust Dragon, because YUSEI USES IT.

If it got banned, (although not many children are aware of the banlist, at least not here) then kids would say "Stardust Dragon's banned. I wanna be Yusei, but I can't so I quit!" and wouldn't buy cards.

The mind of a six-year old, people.

^This, again^

This is why Jaden's Hero-related cards were never really limited.

Stratos doesnt count, since he never summoned it in the show, and in the book it had like 2 different effects.

 

But Jaden's Hero-related cards, Stratos notwithstanding, never needed to be Limited. It's not like Wildheart was breaking the game.

[EliminateHRN]

This was my first (and only) Synchro. It was also my first Ghost Rare. This has to be in the top 3 of my favorite Synchro monsters.

 

I onced used it against my sister, and it worked really good. When I used it's effect, my sister said I was cheating and quit. Easily won for me.

 

Anyway, even if it can be countered, I still think it should be Limited-Banned. However, I don't really keep up with the banlist, so I don't know where this stands right now. The effect is really good. But, of course, this is coming from a Yu-Gi-Oh n00b.

[EnkoMaun]

I skimmed tonisanoob's post' date=' saw the word "nowadays", and decided not to read it.

 

Easily summoned in a non-dedicated deck

Instant Fusion + Junk Synchron

 

Should be banned. As I have said before' date=' granting such power to completely generic Synchro Monsters is the epitome of poor card design, and Konami should be ashamed of itself for granting such a powerful ability to one with no special Summon Condition beyond the standard Synchro boilerplate.[/quote']

Crab, You know that Konami will simply say: "Its Yusei's main card, so we cant possibly ban it now!"

^this.

Konami's gaining too much money from little kids that make their parents buy millions of packs just to pull a Stardust Dragon, because YUSEI USES IT.

If it got banned, (although not many children are aware of the banlist, at least not here) then kids would say "Stardust Dragon's banned. I wanna be Yusei, but I can't so I quit!" and wouldn't buy cards.

The mind of a six-year old, people.

^This, again^

This is why Jaden's Hero-related cards were never really limited.

Stratos doesnt count, since he never summoned it in the show, and in the book it had like 2 different effects.

 

But Jaden's Hero-related cards, Stratos notwithstanding, never needed to be Limited. It's not like Wildheart was breaking the game.[/b]

Jaden's cards (most of them) sucked, and that's only one reason that they didn't limit them. Jaden, just like every single main character of Yu-Gi-Oh is idolized by 6-year olds all around the world.

 

If they limited Jaden's cards, kids wouldn't try to buy them.

If they limited any main character's trumps, they would fail.

Yugi doesn't count, because his trump card (as thought by SIX YEAR OLDS) was Dark Magician, a VANILLA, and then the god cards, which don't exist.

Although I saw a kid photocopying the pictures of the god cards and sticking them on a real card a few years ago. I lol'd.

 

EDIT: Also, many of Yugi's cards were promos in video games, and no parent would let six-year olds buy multiple copies of the same game, so they didn't have to limit those either.