Phantom Roxas Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Tell me, in a format that relies on destruction via effect much more often that by battle, where does this fit on the banlist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 It belongs at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosuke Kiryu Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 ^ That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Thats... a good question. With Metamorphasis banned, its not so easy to summon. With all the "RAWR IMMA NUKE THE FIELD AND STICK UP THE MIDDLE FINGER AT YOU!!!!" this format, its not really useful. Id say THIS FORMAT it could be at 3 and do no harm to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Its an OP card. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Thats... a good question. With Metamorphasis banned' date=' its not so easy to summon. With all the "RAWR IMMA NUKE THE FIELD AND STICK UP THE MIDDLE FINGER AT YOU!!!!" this format, its not really useful. Id say THIS FORMAT it could be at 3 and do no harm to the game.[/quote'] Instant Fusion + Monster reborn/ Graceful revival/ summon limit/ Kinka- byo = 0 still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Thats... a good question. With Metamorphasis banned' date=' its not so easy to summon. With all the "RAWR IMMA NUKE THE FIELD AND STICK UP THE MIDDLE FINGER AT YOU!!!!" this format, its not really useful. Id say THIS FORMAT it could be at 3 and do no harm to the game.[/quote'] Instant Fusion + Monster reborn/ Graceful revival/ summon limit/ Kinka- byo = 0 still. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing, my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Tell me' date=' in a format that relies on destruction via effect much more often that by battle, where does this fit on the banlist?[/quote']Metamorph is banned, so.. Thats... a good question. With Metamorphasis banned' date=' its not so easy to summon. With all the "RAWR IMMA NUKE THE FIELD AND STICK UP THE MIDDLE FINGER AT YOU!!!!" this format, its not really useful. Id say THIS FORMAT it could be at 3 and do no harm to the game.[/quote'] Instant Fusion + Monster reborn/ Graceful revival/ summon limit/ Kinka- byo = 0 still.Instant Fusion would be a bit meh-ish.and Kinka-Byo would kill it. Plus, What about Macro/decks that run D.D. Crow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 funking broken. Every single person with a brain would run this if it gets limited, even in this format. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field' date='" which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] And you won't use the Thousand-Eyes Restrict as a Tribute folder/Synchro fodder, because...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Thats... a good question. With Metamorphasis banned' date=' its not so easy to summon. With all the "RAWR IMMA NUKE THE FIELD AND STICK UP THE MIDDLE FINGER AT YOU!!!!" this format, its not really useful. Id say THIS FORMAT it could be at 3 and do no harm to the game.[/quote'] Instant Fusion + Monster reborn/ Graceful revival/ summon limit/ Kinka- byo = 0 still. ?? Summon this with Instant Fusion, then revive it once it leaves the field. Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing' date=' my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] My point exactly, but I think it's Cyber End Dragon that's supposed to be banned. f***ing broken. Every single person with a brain would run this if it gets limited' date=' even in this format. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous. And you won't use the Thousand-Eyes Restrict as a Tribute folder/Synchro folder immediatly, because...? Because you use it to take your opponent's monster, then use it for Tribute/Synchro fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 this card is still banned because you can steal the monster that has the kill effect, you can't be attacked until after it's gone, and while at the end of a game usually a lot of kill effect spamming is done, most games around here do not see that often, most people attack to save resources. this card is an every turn roar, only skill drain w\could get around that, and if your facing skill drain, you don't instant fusion this. the only real problem is bringing this back to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing' date=' my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] My point exactly, but I think it's Cyber End Dragon that's supposed to be banned. Instant Fusion + Restrict would be a 2 card combo that costs 1000 Lifepoints, but would remove 1 monster from the field. Cards like Fissure do that job ALOT better. And Cyber End/Twin Dragon SHOULD be banned, if Metamorph were to ever be un-banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing' date=' my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] My point exactly, but I think it's Cyber End Dragon that's supposed to be banned. Instant Fusion + Restrict would be a 2 card combo that costs 1000 Lifepoints, but would remove 1 monster from the field. And give you a tribute/synchro fodder Cards like Fissure do that job ALOT better.See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Instant Fusion becomes another Brain Control. Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing' date=' my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] My point exactly, but I think it's Cyber End Dragon that's supposed to be banned. Instant Fusion + Restrict would be a 2 card combo that costs 1000 Lifepoints, but would remove 1 monster from the field. Cards like Fissure do that job ALOT better. And Cyber End/Twin Dragon SHOULD be banned, if Metamorph were to ever be un-banned. Indeed, that two-card combo is pretty situational. I mean, if you draw Instant Fusion but don't draw Thousand-Eyes Restrict, you can't pull it off, so it's useless. And you can't even attack with your TER, and there's clearly nothing else that can be done with it, so it's obviously just a regular 1-for-1 removal. Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing' date=' my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] For Monarch decks, like mine, that would turn into a +2 with a Monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Instant Fusion becomes another Brain Control. Metamorphosis at 3. (assume they banned Cyber twin for this one) This guy at 1. Wouldn't change a thing' date=' my arcanite/gyzarus/judgment dragon/dad/Sided in Smashing Ground/Vortex will still blow it up. It's basically turns Instant Fusion into "Destroy one monster on your opponents side of the field," which at one isn't even remotely dangerous.[/quote'] My point exactly, but I think it's Cyber End Dragon that's supposed to be banned. Instant Fusion + Restrict would be a 2 card combo that costs 1000 Lifepoints, but would remove 1 monster from the field. Cards like Fissure do that job ALOT better. And Cyber End/Twin Dragon SHOULD be banned, if Metamorph were to ever be un-banned. Indeed, that two-card combo is pretty situational. I mean, if you draw Instant Fusion but don't draw Thousand-Eyes Restrict, you can't pull it off, so it's useless. And you can't even attack with your TER, and there's clearly nothing else that can be done with it, so it's obviously just a regular 1-for-1 removal. Yeah. Crab's logic is amazing. And its a bit hard to try a fix a statement, that you realized you messed up, after Crab has already torn it apart >___> Instant Fusion basicly becomes an unlimited Brain Control, but for a whole 200 more Lifepoints, and can target any monster the Opponent has on his/her side of the field, regardless of position. So yea, I see what you did there, and I see what I did there.:/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Its still a 1-4-1 however Crab... At least this meta. Dont get me wrong Im not saying it shouldnt be banned, Im saying that this meta its not very useful and wont hurt the game MUCH. It seems to just be a Soul Exchange that you pay 1000LP for, not skip your battlephase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Its still a 1-4-1 however Crab... The user loses Instant Fusion and gains fodder. The opponent loses a monster. That is a +1. That is not a 1-for-1. At least this meta. This meta is about seeing who can play Judgment Dragoon or DSF first and declare victory. Usefulness in this meta is hardly relevant. Dont get me wrong Im not saying it shouldnt be banned' date='[/quote'] Then what is the point of your post? Do you think the current meta matters at all? Im saying that this meta its not very useful and wont hurt the game MUCH. Last Turn at 1 wouldn't be very useful and wouldn't hurt the game much in a format that is otherwise identical to the current format. It seems to just be a Soul Exchange that you pay 1000LP for' date=' not skip your battlephase.[/quote'] Skipping a Battle Phase is a much greater cost than paying 1000 Life Points, especially when the effect in question involves removing an opponent's blocker and paying for what is presumably a powerful effect or monster of some sort (which, if you're Tributing, is what is happening) - after all, one would much rather be able to take advantage of the opponent's open field and one's own strong cards lest the opponent eliminate either during the next turn. Also, note that Instant Fusion can be used to pay for things in ways that aren't considered Tributing, and as an added bonus places an extra DARK monster in your Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Its still a 1-4-1 however Crab... The user loses Instant Fusion and gains fodder. The opponent loses a monster. That is a +1. That is not a 1-for-1. At least this meta. This meta is about seeing who can play Judgment Dragoon or DSF first and declare victory. Usefulness in this meta is hardly relevant. Dont get me wrong Im not saying it shouldnt be banned' date='[/quote'] Then what is the point of your post? Do you think the current meta matters at all? Im saying that this meta its not very useful and wont hurt the game MUCH. Last Turn at 1 wouldn't be very useful and wouldn't hurt the game much in a format that is otherwise identical to the current format. It seems to just be a Soul Exchange that you pay 1000LP for' date=' not skip your battlephase.[/quote'] Skipping a Battle Phase is a much greater cost than paying 1000 Life Points, especially when the effect in question involves removing an opponent's blocker and paying for what is presumably a powerful effect or monster of some sort (which, if you're Tributing, is what is happening) - after all, one would much rather be able to take advantage of the opponent's open field and one's own strong cards lest the opponent eliminate either during the next turn. Also, note that Instant Fusion can be used to pay for things in ways that aren't considered Tributing, and as an added bonus places an extra DARK monster in your Graveyard. Okay Ill admit you beat me quite hard in that post, which is your specialty. However I beat you at this. Tell me' date=' in a format that relies on destruction via effect much more often that by battle, where does this fit on the banlist?[/quote'] Thus ITT we discuss Thousand Eyes Restrict based on the CURRENT meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 BRD middel fingered this card XD as their are cards that can nuke like BRD and the orange humming brid of death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Tell me' date=' in a format that relies on destruction via effect much more often that by battle, where does this fit on the banlist?[/quote'] Thus ITT we discuss Thousand Eyes Restrict based on the CURRENT meta. Not necessarily. The topic creator just said "a format" - not necessarily the current format. Furthermore, the implication that the current meta should determine list position is inherently false, rendering the question essentially meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Tell me' date=' in a format that relies on destruction via effect much more often that by battle, where does this fit on the banlist?[/quote'] Thus ITT we discuss Thousand Eyes Restrict based on the CURRENT meta. Not necessarily. The topic creator just said "a format" - not necessarily the current format. Furthermore, the implication that the current meta should determine list position is inherently false, rendering the question essentially meaningless. Which is why, like I said, THIS FORMAT it could be unbanned and not have a MAJOR effect on the game, but in a good format it should be at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Tell me' date=' in a format that relies on destruction via effect much more often that by battle, where does this fit on the banlist?[/quote'] Thus ITT we discuss Thousand Eyes Restrict based on the CURRENT meta. Not necessarily. The topic creator just said "a format" - not necessarily the current format. Furthermore, the implication that the current meta should determine list position is inherently false, rendering the question essentially meaningless. I actually was talking about the current meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 And you won't use the Thousand-Eyes Restrict as a Tribute folder/Synchro folder immediatly' date=' because...?[/quote'] Because you use it to take your opponent's monster, then use it for Tribute/Synchro fodder. That's actually what I meant '_' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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