Static Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Since when are people allowed to shuffle your deck before you start playing? You're allowed one cut if I remember correctly, and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie_Fudo Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 nice conspiration theory maquerade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAELOVE Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Very good post sir. I too am tired of the cheating/stacking going around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game' date=' a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters? I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this: 1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 2011 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary. Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.[/quote'] You would often get stacked because your eyes are not on the opponent for to long. Did it occur to you that your opponent is stacking you when you cut / shuffle their deck? I guess I'm the only person on earth who can overhand shuffle without looking at the deck I'm shuffling, keeping focus on my deck being shuffled. And since I overhand my deck a few times after piling, my opponent would have to turn my deck face-up and look through the deck to set up a bad hand for me. Which is obvious and easy to catch. Not true, all they would have to do is pick your deck up and shuffle it sideways. And your stacked. But my opponent will not have much control over the cards. Unless he is a magician and is an expert at shuffle control, only one or two cards will be rigged. And if my deck is truely good, this should make no difference. I guess what I am getting at is that you seem a little paranoid about shuffling. Unless your opponent is, as I said, a fluid performer of card tricks, they can do little, if anything, about a well-shuffled deck without making their efforts too obvious. Try taking a thoroughly shuffled deck and see if you can rig a bad hand without looking suspicious. I am going to guess that you cannot. Most players will be the same way. You are completely naive. I don't care what your playing, or how well your deck is shuffled. All I need is one glance, and I'll know what your playing. The first thing I do when I cut an opponents deck is Fan it out. This gives me an over view of what you are playing from there, I put anything I don't want you to have at the bottom. If you watch any of my duels you can clearly see me fanning out everything. Even in fun duels, I may not cheat you, but I never want to be surprised. Stacking is second nature to most, and usually undetectable. Just because its not obvious to you, doesn't mean its not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Why on earth would you let the opponent fan your deck out face-up?! That is a stupid mistake, and an action that is forbidden at tournaments. It is your fault for letting the opponent see your deck. The whole point of the game is to not let your opponent see your strategy. Your opponent is entitled to know deck size, hand size, and Graveyard contents. Deck contents are always secret. Looking at your opponents deck and putting good cards on the bottom is cheating at all times, and not to mention impossible to do unless your opponent, nor tournament officials, are watching you shuffle. Which will never happen, unless you are reffed by monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Why on earth would you let the opponent fan your deck out face-up?! Its not face up' date=' its on its side. The fan is so small that you'd never know it was happening if you wondered your eyes for even a second. That is a stupid mistake, and an action that is forbidden at tournaments.What? forbidden? You mean to tell me that cheating is against the rules, and that it never happens? No... shut up. I don't believe you. It is your fault for letting the opponent see your deck. Malicious intent is never a fault. If this is the case it is your fault that terrorist destroyed the towers. You should have kept an eye on the building, cuz I now blame you for the death of strangers. The whole point of the game is to not let your opponent see your strategy. Really? Wow Your opponent is entitled to know deck size, hand size, and Graveyard contents. Deck contents are always secret.Whats going on here? Are you seriously just playing Captian obvious to annoy me? Cuz its working. Looking at your opponents deck and putting good cards on the bottom is cheating at all times, and not to mention impossible to do unless your opponent, nor tournament officials, are watching you shuffle.THUS THIS THREADS CREATION!1st. No judge stands over you and watches anybody shuffling, they are supposed to keep moving around the room to assist anybody who needs a judges attention.2nd. Its not impossible. 3rd. This thread is a working process, your jumping to far ahead while only reading these soft stacking articles. Wait until I cover Stacking. Then see if you still believe what your spamming here today.Which will never happen, unless you are reffed by monkeys. Wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberus21 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Since when are people allowed to shuffle your deck before you start playing? You're allowed one cut if I remember correctly' date=' and that's it.[/quote'] Shuffling isn't defined in the official rules, and neither is cutting. So long as you don't look at the cards' face sides, you can do whatever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Since when are people allowed to shuffle your deck before you start playing? You're allowed one cut if I remember correctly' date=' and that's it.[/quote'] Shuffling isn't defined in the official rules, and neither is cutting. So long as you don't look at the cards' face sides, you can do whatever you want. There is three minutes given to a players to shuffle and cut. I don't know if this changed with upper deck, but yeah. There are also rules to this. The owner is never allowed to touch his deck last in a cut. There also used to be rules made by upperdeck that isn't followed by konami. The rule was that If your opponent Shuffle cuts your deck, then you are allowed to re shuffle your deck. After that shuffle, the opponent must Simple cut. Konami's rule is. Shuffle, opponent can shuffle. Owner is allowed 1 cut. Opponent is allowed 1 cut. So in a nut shell, shuffle shuffle cut cut. There also a time limit. 3 minutes is give to shuffle at the beginning of the round, and 45 seconds in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 How to shuffle:Throw your Deck in the air and then pick up all of the cards and place them face-down on a stack./topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Why impose such a generous time limit? It takes 6-7 seconds to shuffle. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how I can watch my opponent and still get stacked. Quite simply, a watchful player cannot be stacked against. Shuffling is not a science. The easy, fool-proof solution to this problem you propose is to simply watch your opponent. If they are stacking, reshuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Why impose such a generous time limit? It takes 6-7 seconds to shuffle. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how I can watch my opponent and still get stacked. Quite simply' date=' a watchful player cannot be stacked against. Shuffling is not a science. The easy, fool-proof solution to this problem you propose is to simply watch your opponent. If they are stacking, reshuffle.[/quote'] If you re shuffle, the opponent can re shuffle. It will go on for hours. The rule is you can not touch your deck last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You will eventually run out of time, so the opponent will have to do a normal shuffle just to stay in the limit. Basically, annoy the hell out of them so they shuffle legit just to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You will eventually run out of time' date=' so the opponent will [b']have[/b] to do a normal shuffle just to stay in the limit. Basically, annoy the hell out of them so they shuffle legit just to move on. tell me, is there rainbows and butterflies dancing in the hot cocoa where your from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberus21 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 If you and your opponent keep going back and forth, eventually it will be obvious that 1 of you is either cheating or a paranoid idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You will eventually run out of time' date=' so the opponent will [b']have[/b] to do a normal shuffle just to stay in the limit. Basically, annoy the hell out of them so they shuffle legit just to move on. tell me, is there rainbows and butterflies dancing in the hot cocoa where your from? No, they're ladybugs. So, what's wrong with stalling the 3 minutes? If it works, it works. Honestly though, if you think you have the solution, just say what it is. I doubt yours will be any more efficient than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 You will eventually run out of time' date=' so the opponent will [b']have[/b] to do a normal shuffle just to stay in the limit. Basically, annoy the hell out of them so they shuffle legit just to move on. tell me, is there rainbows and butterflies dancing in the hot cocoa where your from? No, they're ladybugs. So, what's wrong with stalling the 3 minutes? If it works, it works. Honestly though, if you think you have the solution, just say what it is. I doubt yours will be any more efficient than mine. Seriously, Who's joke account is this? I mean excellent work with the troll. A+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Csent Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Thank you :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 When do you add? Is it like every saturday or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted July 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Ill add today. But yeah, I think Ill add every sunday from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 What happened to the update?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well this has completely deterred me from wanting to do tournaments, yeah i pile shuffle on accident but i have no idea what i'm moving around when i do that. I rarely ever check my deck before a Duel, unless my Synchros got mixed in or i think something's missing. Would sending the bottom card of your deck to the top be considered cheating, even if it is done blindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecoboy1324 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 How are you moving the bottom up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 /\ I some times do this in the middle of a duel when I search my deck and hope my opponent doesn't mess with it (I'm such a top decker sometimes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecoboy1324 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 That is cheating according to the rules which says after your opp cuts you cant alter your cards positioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I do it during fun duels. No way will I cheat during a tournament. I want it to be completely fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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