What the Pros don't want you to know! [Spoiler & Unethical Allert]

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this thread reminded me of a video I saw. It was a game at regionals and this kid was looking through his opponent's graveyard when two of his friends, one holding the camera and the sly bastard, recorded the sly one stealing their teammates opponents deck while he wasn't looking.

 

On topic: Heh, stacking. It's what separates pros from everyone else.

 

It really isn't difficult if you know what you're doing. Since I don't feel like another ban, I'm not going to offer advice on this subject.

[「tea.leaf」]

This is just a habit, so I don't know if it's stacking:

 

I'd sort all of my cards out, usually by alphabetical order into monsters, spells and traps.

 

I'd then place monsters above spells and then traps, face-up.

 

The pile is flipped over and then distributed into five piles, going both directions. (Dealing right, then left at the end, and so on.)

 

I then pick up the pile I ended on and repeat dealing until there are only two piles.

 

From that, I put the top card of the pile I ended on in the middle, and I do the same with the other pile into the new middle pile.

 

I repeat until all the cards are interspersed into one stack, which I riffle three times, and then offer to cut.

 

Thereafter, between games, I only riffle three times and offer to cut, I don't pile shuffle unless I modify the deck (not siding).

 

After search effects, I riffle once and offer to cut.

 

Also, table shuffling IS pile shuffling, the type of pile shuffling you're talking about is called stripping.

[Spiff!]

I table shuffle, is that bad?

 

But seriously, I usually just plain shuffle, or if I feel like showing off, I shuffle the way they do in the anime, i.e. endwise.

[RyanAtlus]

I know what you mean.

At a tourney' date=' I had to go up against an 11-year old. He wanted me to shuffle his Deck, so I touched it and said it was fine. He kept whining about it, and when I said for the third time I didn't want to shuffle, he took his Deck and ran of to the Judge. He came back a minute later. I wanted to shuffle it then of course; he might've well have stacked his opening hand while being away. Judge asked wether I had indeed not wanted to shuffle, and when I answered he gave the kid a warning! XD

 

CHEATING MUST BE STOPPED!

 

Question: I run a Countdown Deck, so I like having FC in my opening hand. Are there legal ways to keep them from sticking?

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New sleeves if they are old. Or sleeves if they are un sleeved. If you can, never play on a table. Play mats are intended to keep your sleeves fresh, and sleeves are intended to keep your cards fresh. Try to wash your hands before touching your deck, and if you can don't touch your deck unless your playing.

 

With "sticking", I meant that there are always two or three together. Not really sticky.

[ihop]

If both players stack, put rubbish cards on top and then card destruction, because your opponent has probably put really good cards on top.

[.Frostpaw]

Wow, I just perfected the "Soft Stacking" technique...

 

I shall not post how to because I don't want to be banned.

 

I'm going to leave that up to Nate12345 if he wants to. Which we all know he won't want to do that.

[iAmNateXero]

UPDATED WITH NEW INDEX CATEGORY, AND SOFT STACKING II. I ALSO THINK ALL CAPS IS RANDY!

 

Knock yourselves out, and this time... please don't send me a hundred and one pm's thanking me. Im really not doing anything special.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Wow, this is really good :D

 

Now I can get back at those guys who cheat when I play them for fun (:))

[evilhorus]

I believe in karma' date=' so whenever somebody cheats me, a brick falls and breaks their foot later that day. It's all good.

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. . . . . . .

 

Did you plant the brick?

 

Knowing Akira... no he didnt he payed someone else to do it cause hes to obvious a suspect.

 

 

 

Lets not make him angry. XD

[Tickle Me Emo]

This is just a habit' date=' so I don't know if it's stacking:

 

I'd sort all of my cards out, usually by alphabetical order into monsters, spells and traps.

 

I'd then place monsters above spells and then traps, face-up.

 

The pile is flipped over and then distributed into five piles, going both directions. (Dealing right, then left at the end, and so on.)

 

I then pick up the pile I ended on and repeat dealing until there are only two piles.

 

From that, I put the top card of the pile I ended on in the middle, and I do the same with the other pile into the new middle pile.

 

I repeat until all the cards are interspersed into one stack, which I riffle three times, and then offer to cut.

 

Thereafter, between games, I only riffle three times and offer to cut, I don't pile shuffle unless I modify the deck (not siding).

 

After search effects, I riffle once and offer to cut.

 

Also, table shuffling IS pile shuffling, the type of pile shuffling you're talking about is called stripping.

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lol I do the same thing... I really hope it aint stacking, I dont wanna be pro if I gotta cheat to win.

[iAmNateXero]

Tea is right, Its called strip shuffling, but I use magic terms because I don't know the actual terms. XP SO IT IS FOREVER PILE SHUFFLING in this thread! *Feel my squirly wrath!*

[RyanAtlus]

I always make 10 stacks of four cards. If my stacks would be numbered like this...

 

1 2 3 4 5

6 7 8 9 0

 

I sort the cards like this: 1 7 3 9 5 0 4 8 2 6 and do that 4 times.

 

I then put 1 on top of 6, 7 on to of 2 , 3 on 8, 9 on 4, and 5 on 0.

 

I let the opponent choose the order of the stacks to re-form the deck.

[cerberus21]

Is this cheating?

 

First, i make out perfect hands.

Then i shuffle the deck in a crappy way (Like just moving the top half to the bottom a couple of times)

Then i shuffle it for real. It's just kind of a habit i do in between games to make sure i don't get all spell or all trap hands.

[HORUS]

The first post in this topic could have been:

 

If you suspect that your opponent is stacking, shuffle their deck really well.

 

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[Tickle Me Emo]

Is this cheating?

 

First' date=' i make out perfect hands.

Then i shuffle the deck in a crappy way (Like just moving the top half to the bottom a couple of times)

Then i shuffle it for real. It's just kind of a habit i do in between games to make sure i don't get all spell or all trap hands.

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That is stacking.

[「tea.leaf」]

I placed this thread in the Index, so there shouldn't be too many worries of this getting lost.

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The first post in this topic could have been:

 

Make your shuffling look legit so your opponent will see no need to cut. If the shuffling looks convincing they'll never notice that all of your starting hands have both brain control and emergency teleport' date=' no matter how badly you destroy them. ;D[/b']

 

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[cerberus21]

Is this cheating?

 

First' date=' i make out perfect hands.

Then i shuffle the deck in a crappy way (Like just moving the top half to the bottom a couple of times)

Then i shuffle it for real. It's just kind of a habit i do in between games to make sure i don't get all spell or all trap hands.

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That is stacking.

 

*Guiiiiiilty...*

[Von Csent]

Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game, a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters?

 

I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this:

 

1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 20

11 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary.

 

Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.

[Aximil]

I cut my deck into a random number of stacks (all face-down) each containing a random number of cards, place them ontop of eachother in a random order, and the randomly shuffle the f*ck out of it. I then offer my opponent to shuffle. When using my LS deck, I always get a Judgment Dragon in my opening hand. Is that cheating? ^_^

 

lol, on-topic: Thanks for the list of cheating. Now I can start telling the judges they are cheating since I know what a few ways look like now.

[iAmNateXero]

Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game' date=' a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters?

 

I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this:

 

1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 20

11 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary.

 

Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.

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You would often get stacked because your eyes are not on the opponent for to long. Did it occur to you that your opponent is stacking you when you cut / shuffle their deck?

I cut my deck into a random number of stacks (all face-down) each containing a random number of cards' date=' place them ontop of eachother in a random order, and the randomly shuffle the f*ck out of it. I then offer my opponent to shuffle. When using my LS deck, I always get a Judgment Dragon in my opening hand. Is that cheating? ^_^

 

lol, on-topic: Thanks for the list of cheating. Now I can start telling the judges they are cheating since I know what a few ways look like now.

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No, you are just lucky I guess.

[Von Csent]

Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game' date=' a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters?

 

I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this:

 

1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 20

11 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary.

 

Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.

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You would often get stacked because your eyes are not on the opponent for to long. Did it occur to you that your opponent is stacking you when you cut / shuffle their deck?

 

I guess I'm the only person on earth who can overhand shuffle without looking at the deck I'm shuffling, keeping focus on my deck being shuffled.

 

And since I overhand my deck a few times after piling, my opponent would have to turn my deck face-up and look through the deck to set up a bad hand for me. Which is obvious and easy to catch.

[.Frostpaw]

Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game' date=' a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters?

 

I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this:

 

1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 20

11 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary.

 

Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.

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You would often get stacked because your eyes are not on the opponent for to long. Did it occur to you that your opponent is stacking you when you cut / shuffle their deck?

I cut my deck into a random number of stacks (all face-down) each containing a random number of cards' date=' place them ontop of eachother in a random order, and the randomly shuffle the f*ck out of it. I then offer my opponent to shuffle. When using my LS deck, I always get a Judgment Dragon in my opening hand. Is that cheating? ^_^

 

lol, on-topic: Thanks for the list of cheating. Now I can start telling the judges they are cheating since I know what a few ways look like now.

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No, you are just lucky I guess.

 

Thanks for this list of cheating. This one guy at my lolocals wins almost every tourney. I suspect he's cheating. Every time I go to shuffle his deck, he's like "be careful, the deck is valuable." I'm going to watch him carefully from now on. Then I can at least find out if he is cheating or not.

[iAmNateXero]

Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game' date=' a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters?

 

I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this:

 

1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 20

11 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary.

 

Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.

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You would often get stacked because your eyes are not on the opponent for to long. Did it occur to you that your opponent is stacking you when you cut / shuffle their deck?

 

I guess I'm the only person on earth who can overhand shuffle without looking at the deck I'm shuffling, keeping focus on my deck being shuffled.

 

And since I overhand my deck a few times after piling, my opponent would have to turn my deck face-up and look through the deck to set up a bad hand for me. Which is obvious and easy to catch.

 

Not true, all they would have to do is pick your deck up and shuffle it sideways. And your stacked.

[Von Csent]

Since you always get to shuffle your opponent's deck before a game' date=' a simple overhand shuffle will mess up any and all order. Why the deep discussion about counters?

 

I build my decks (face-up) with the monsters on top, in ATK order, then Spells, then Traps, with all duplicates together. If it is a newly-constructed deck, I deal like this:

 

1 12 3 14 5 16 7 18 9 20

11 2 13 4 15 6 17 8 19 10 And repeat as necessary.

 

Then a string of overhands. It is completely mixed up.

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You would often get stacked because your eyes are not on the opponent for to long. Did it occur to you that your opponent is stacking you when you cut / shuffle their deck?

 

I guess I'm the only person on earth who can overhand shuffle without looking at the deck I'm shuffling, keeping focus on my deck being shuffled.

 

And since I overhand my deck a few times after piling, my opponent would have to turn my deck face-up and look through the deck to set up a bad hand for me. Which is obvious and easy to catch.

 

Not true, all they would have to do is pick your deck up and shuffle it sideways. And your stacked.

 

But my opponent will not have much control over the cards. Unless he is a magician and is an expert at shuffle control, only one or two cards will be rigged. And if my deck is truely good, this should make no difference.

 

I guess what I am getting at is that you seem a little paranoid about shuffling. Unless your opponent is, as I said, a fluid performer of card tricks, they can do little, if anything, about a well-shuffled deck without making their efforts too obvious.

 

Try taking a thoroughly shuffled deck and see if you can rig a bad hand without looking suspicious. I am going to guess that you cannot. Most players will be the same way.