Have you ever gotten bogus rulings?

[Guest setojim]

Listen to this:

 

When i went to my locals the other day, i played against a BW deck in the 3rd round. When my opponent summoned shura while whirlwind was up, i chained mst to the trigger effect of black whirlwind. he was kinda confused so he called over a judge. the judge ruled that black whirlwind was a conditional effect and it got priority over mst. i could still activate it, but i couldnt stop the effect apparently. i thought that was kinda stupid so i chose to appeal the ruling. the judge then said that i couldnt appeal.

 

WTF!?

 

discuss

[Azuh]

MST doesn't negate, therefore the effect still occurs

[CrabHelmet]

I was informed that I couldn't activate Card Destruction while my hand was empty. This would have been game when my opponent's next Draw Phase came around, since his hand size was exactly equal at the time to his deck size. As it was... loss.

[Guest setojim]

MST doesn't negate' date=' therefore the effect still occurs

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your as dumb as the judge. continuous spell and trap cards only get any and all of their effects while on the field. if they leave even during the activation of its effect, the effect disappears. it's even in the f*cking rule book.

[Manjoume Thunder]

No. You activated MST after he summoned so the effect activated already >.>

[SephirothKirby]

Yeah, it Whirlwind still works, it already activated whether it was on the field or not.

 

One time I was told the Manticore Loop was illegal ... just 'cause.

 

One time I was told Rai-Oh could stop Monster Reborn ... just 'cause.

 

One time, after winning a fight over Cold Wave vs Oppression, she said I couldn't summon after I use Cold Wave. I don't ... really get this one, I'm not sure how you funk up that badly.

 

I want a new judge so badly.

[Azuh]

MST doesn't negate' date=' therefore the effect still occurs

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your as dumb as the judge. continuous spell and trap cards only get any and all of their effects while on the field. if they leave even during the activation of its effect, the effect disappears. it's even in the f*cking rule book.

 

Read the effect of Black Whirlwind and how its written, then come back to me

[Guest setojim]

read the rulebook.

[El Majishan]

Yeah' date=' it Whirlwind still works, it already activated whether it was on the field or not.

 

One time I was told the Manticore Loop was illegal ... just 'cause.

 

[b']One time I was told Rai-Oh could stop Monster Reborn[/b] ... just 'cause.

 

One time, after winning a fight over Cold Wave vs Oppression, she said I couldn't summon after I use Cold Wave. I don't ... really get this one, I'm not sure how you f*** up that badly.

 

I want a new judge so badly.

 

I thought it could..maybe I'm not clear on the ruling but can you explain to me why you needed a judge to clear that up.

[SephirothKirby]

Thunder King Rai-Oh and Solemn Judgment cannot negate the effect of a card that Special Summons another card. It can only stop the summon of a card that resulted from a Summoning Condition (Synchro, Contact Fusion, Judgment Dragon, Cydra, DAD).

 

Also, because someone tried to stop Reborn w/ Rai-Oh and my friend pointed out that it couldn't. She did not rule in his favour.

[Curium]

You guys sound so sure when you say Black Whirlwind still works, I'm having a bit a doubt...

 

See here, according to lolwikia http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Royal_Oppression

If the effect of "Royal Oppression" is activated' date=' and "Mystical Space Typhoon" or "Dust Tornado" is chained to destroy "Royal Oppression", then the effect of "Royal Oppression" disappears because it is a Continuous Trap Card, and the Special Summon will not be negated. [/Quote']

 

So the chain goes:

Monster Special Summoned

( 1 ) Royal Oppression activated

( 2 ) MST destroys Royal Oppression

Then

MST resolves, destroying Royal Oppression.

Then although Royal Oppression's effect is activated, it does not resolve successfully because the Continuous Trap Card is not on the field, and then the monster's special summon succeeds.

 

I know Black Whirlwind is a Continous Spell instead, but I don't see why it would make a difference.

The chain goes extremely similar as well:

Mosnter is normal summoned

( 1 ) Black Whirlwind activates

( 2 ) MST destroys Black Whirlwind

 

I was informed that I couldn't activate Card Destruction while my hand was empty. This would have been game when my opponent's next Draw Phase came around' date=' since his hand size was exactly equal at the time to his deck size. As it was... loss.

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I don't know how credible lolwikia is for rulings, but it says you can't. :/

[Manjoume Thunder]

I was informed that I couldn't activate Card Destruction while my hand was empty. This would have been game when my opponent's next Draw Phase came around' date=' since his hand size was exactly equal at the time to his deck size. As it was... loss.

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I don't know how credible lolwikia is for rulings, but it says you can't. :/

 

Not realy sure 'bout whirlwind, but you can definately activate Card (not hand) destruction with an empty hand.

[Curium]

I was informed that I couldn't activate Card Destruction while my hand was empty. This would have been game when my opponent's next Draw Phase came around' date=' since his hand size was exactly equal at the time to his deck size. As it was... loss.

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I don't know how credible lolwikia is for rulings, but it says you can't. :/

 

Not realy sure 'bout whirlwind, but you can definately activate Card (not hand) destruction with an empty hand.

 

Oops, sorry about that, just read the ruling more carefully, my fault.

[Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic]

People gotta start understanding that you do what the cards say. The only thing MST says is destroy a spell or trap card on the field. Does it say negate the effect? I don't think so. See now if it says negate the activation or effect then it wouldn't work.

 

Now what I don't understand is a ruling on Stratos. Does it's effect still work even when your opponent activates BTH because it doesn't say negate the summon?

[Manjoume Thunder]

People gotta start understanding that you do what the cards say. The only thing MST says is destroy a spell or trap card on the field. Does it say negate the effect? I don't think so. See now if it says negate the activation or effect then it wouldn't work.

 

Now what I don't understand is a ruling on Stratos. Does it's effect still work even when your opponent activates BTH because it doesn't say negate the summon?

BTH doesn't say negate the summon SOlemn does.

[Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic]

So does the counter that bounces it back to the opponents hand. I forgot what it's name was.

[Manjoume Thunder]

So does the counter that bounces it back to the opponents hand. I forgot what it's name was.

 

Forced back. I amnot sure 'bout him :d

[Mysty]

So does the counter that bounces it back to the opponents hand. I forgot what it's name was.

 

If it negates the Summon, Stratos's effect is stopped. If it doesn't negate the Summon, Stratos's effect activates. Forced Back negates the summon, so Stratos's effect does not activate.

[Curium]

People gotta start understanding that you do what the cards say. The only thing MST says is destroy a spell or trap card on the field. Does it say negate the effect? I don't think so. See now if it says negate the activation or effect then it wouldn't work.

 

Remember that Black Whirlwind is a Continous Spell Card.

 

Continous S/T works differently than normal ones.

 

It's like when you activate Call of the Haunted and your opponent chains MST to destroy it, you do not get to summon the monster.

I think you don't get to draw a card too when you special summon a monster from your graveyard with Card of Safe Return on the field, and your opponent chains MST to destroy CoSR as well.

 

Activating a effect is one thing, whether a effect resolves is another thing.

Continous cards have to be on the field for their effects to resolve. So, even if it's activation is not negated, it effect still does not resolve.

[Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic]

But it's effect still starts because the card was on the field. It's effect can't just disappear. If the effect starts it has to end unless a card says negate the effect of.....

[Curium]

But it's effect still starts because the card was on the field. It's effect can't just disappear. If the effect starts it has to end unless a card says negate the effect of.....

 

I've already explained this at Post#11

 

You guys sound so sure when you say Black Whirlwind still works' date=' I'm having a bit a doubt...

 

See here, according to lolwikia http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Royal_Oppression

If the effect of "Royal Oppression" is activated, and "Mystical Space Typhoon" or "Dust Tornado" is chained to destroy "Royal Oppression", then the effect of "Royal Oppression" disappears because it is a Continuous Trap Card, and the Special Summon will not be negated. [/Quote]

 

So the chain goes:

Monster Special Summoned

( 1 ) Royal Oppression activated

( 2 ) MST destroys Royal Oppression

Then

MST resolves, destroying Royal Oppression.

Then although Royal Oppression's effect is activated, it does not resolve successfully because the Continuous Trap Card is not on the field, and then the monster's special summon succeeds.

 

I know Black Whirlwind is a Continous Spell instead, but I don't see why it would make a difference.

The chain goes extremely similar as well:

Mosnter is normal summoned

( 1 ) Black Whirlwind activates

( 2 ) MST destroys Black Whirlwind

 

The key point here is, Continuous Cards have to remain face up in order for their effects to successfully resolve, even if it has already activated.

[Mysty]

Even though this issue doesn't seem to be resolved, here are two crappy rulings I got during a Sneak Preview:

 

1. I activated Crystal Abundance, and my opponent activated Dust Tornado to destroy one of my Crystals. The judge ruled that Crystal Abundance isn't a cost and that, if one of the Crystals is destroyed, the Crystal Abundance is stopped. I lost that duel.

 

2. My opponent had Cloudian - Smoke Ball and Turbulance on the field. He activates The League of Uniform Nomenclature and summons Cloudian - Eye of the Typhoon and two other Cloudians. He said that these cards had the same name as Cloudian - Smoke Ball: Cloudian. Even though they only share the same title, I didn't bother to call him out on it. It didn't really matter to me because I knew I would win that duel. I won by Mataza Whack.

[Guest Star]

I'm pretty sure that Rai-Oh can negate the Summon of a monster Summoned by Monster Reborn, as it can negate the Summon of a monster Summoned by Pyramid Turtle; I would assume the same ruling applies.

[Kira the Savior]

I got a ruling from an assisant judge that Citadel of Enymion (whatever that spellcaster city thing is called) could stop another field spell from destroying it by removing a spell counter. Then I asked the main judge and he agreed with me and not the assisant judge that it couldnt

[The Dark One]

So far, just about everyone in this thread is ridiculously far off.

 

Black Whirlwind's text is also ridiculously imprecise and misleading. It's effect doesn't work the way you would think. Both Black Whirlwind and the summoned monster must be on the field at the time of resolution for it's effect to be applied. That's why Bottomless can shut it down, and that's also why MST can shut it down.