Tickle Me Emo Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 The fact that DMoC gives you back any spell in your graveyard to your hand and is a 2800 beatstick that RFPs the opponents monsters in a deadly combo. Whats worse is that when it dies it is RFPed so the opponent cant use your DMoC. even with cards like Monster Reborn banned' date=' DMoC is still nothing but plus.[/quote'] Keep in mind that it's still fairly difficult to Summon and that Monster Reborn shouldn't be taken into consideration when considering changing the list, because Monster Reborn's a Staple for Forbidden. Also take into consideration that DMoC's relatively difficult to Summon. That's its drawback. hmm lets test that... RFP Mezuki, Special summon Zombie Master. Activate the effect, special summon Goblin Zombie, tribute both for DMoC, get a search and reuse a spell. What's so much worse about this than a Monarch? The loop is the least of this guy's problems. Seriously. Care to elaborate? A 2800 ATK monster that turns draws into regenerations is certainly a force to be reckoned with' date=' but it's hardly the biggest problem here - especially now that the advent of Synchro Monsters gives all decks at least the option of pulling out RDA or something similar. The problem is more general than the loop: the balanced RFP recursion introduced by PTDN - D.D.R.'s and Escapes - simply makes it far too easy to recycle DMoC and get his effect to retrieve Spells even if the loop itself were ignored. Before PTDN, one could argue that DMoC took just enough effort to re-use - RFP recursion pretty much boiled down to "stuff that's banworthy on its own" (Dimension Fusion and RFTDD) and "stuff that isn't terribly convenient to use" (D.D.M.) - that one could at least try to argue that the cost to use justified the power of the effect, but now that Special Summoning DARK monsters of any size that have been removed from play is so easy, there simply isn't any excuse for keeping DMoC around. The loop is only one way to take advantage of his power, and isn't even the best way.[/quote'] Crab Helmets post should be enough to prove why DMoC is better than any Monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Crab Helmets post should be enough to prove why DMoC is better than any Monarch. GIVEN YOUR SCENARIO. The loop is the least of this guy's problems. Seriously. Care to elaborate? A 2800 ATK monster that turns draws into regenerations is certainly a force to be reckoned with' date=' but it's hardly the biggest problem here - especially now that the advent of Synchro Monsters gives all decks at least the option of pulling out RDA or something similar. The problem is more general than the loop: the balanced RFP recursion introduced by PTDN - D.D.R.'s and Escapes - simply makes it far too easy to recycle DMoC and get his effect to retrieve Spells even if the loop itself were ignored. Before PTDN, one could argue that DMoC took just enough effort to re-use - RFP recursion pretty much boiled down to "stuff that's banworthy on its own" (Dimension Fusion and RFTDD) and "stuff that isn't terribly convenient to use" (D.D.M.) - that one could at least try to argue that the cost to use justified the power of the effect, but now that Special Summoning DARK monsters of any size that have been removed from play is so easy, there simply isn't any excuse for keeping DMoC around. The loop is only one way to take advantage of his power, and isn't even the best way.[/quote'] The loop is the least of this guy's problems. Seriously. Care to elaborate? A 2800 ATK monster that turns draws into regenerations is certainly a force to be reckoned with' date=' but it's hardly the biggest problem here - especially now that the advent of Synchro Monsters gives all decks at least the option of pulling out RDA or something similar. The problem is more general than the loop: the balanced RFP recursion introduced by PTDN - D.D.R.'s and Escapes - simply makes it far too easy to recycle DMoC and get his effect to retrieve Spells even if the loop itself were ignored. Before PTDN, one could argue that DMoC took just enough effort to re-use - RFP recursion pretty much boiled down to "stuff that's banworthy on its own" (Dimension Fusion and RFTDD) and "stuff that isn't terribly convenient to use" (D.D.M.) - that one could at least try to argue that the cost to use justified the power of the effect, but now that Special Summoning DARK monsters of any size that have been removed from play is so easy, there simply isn't any excuse for keeping DMoC around. The loop is only one way to take advantage of his power, and isn't even the best way.[/quote'] I agree and desist in my advocation. I'll mention though, that if DMoC's Spell recursion only triggered when Normal Summoned, it'd be balanced. But it's doesn't and it isn't, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Answer this for me then, how is a monarch better than DMoC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Answer this for me then' date=' how is a monarch better than DMoC?[/quote'] You obviously didn't read my post, so I don't feel terribly obliged to grant one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2937234 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 0.0 my favorite card is that good.... I just liked his outfit. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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