GenzoTheHarpist Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 banned reason : tsuku-locks Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy. Since when? What is the difference between it and time seal? Unless you drop something like Mezuki anything you can use one for you can use the other for. The big difference is that Time Seal is chainable. For the Tsuku-lock, you bring back the trap, set it, and activate it in the opponent's draw phase. Time seal is no better than drastic drop off for that purpose. Yata can likewise only be used at a specific time, and yet it is banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Many of Tsukuyomi's combos are still intact. Time Seal has to be replaced with Drastic Drop Off, and its MoF combo is gone, but it can still combine with Man-Eater Bug, Old Vindictive, and especially NEEDLE WORM (I hate that card). One could argue Yata-Garasu doesn't need to be banned anymore because Chaos Emperor Dragon is banned, and any other field/hand destruction is extremely difficult to pull off. Go ahead. Argue it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 One could argue Yata-Garasu doesn't need to be banned anymore because Chaos Emperor Dragon is banned' date=' and any other field/hand destruction is extremely difficult to pull off. Go ahead. Argue it.[/quote'] It is extremely easy to pull off. clear the field (easy enough), Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi clears the hand, yata lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 One could argue Yata-Garasu doesn't need to be banned anymore because Chaos Emperor Dragon is banned' date=' and any other field/hand destruction is extremely difficult to pull off. Go ahead. Argue it.[/quote'] It is extremely easy to pull off. clear the field (easy enough), Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi clears the hand, yata lock.You argued it...and won. I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alordzynix Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 One could argue Yata-Garasu doesn't need to be banned anymore because Chaos Emperor Dragon is banned' date=' and any other field/hand destruction is extremely difficult to pull off. Go ahead. Argue it.[/quote']You can substitute Chaos Emperor Dragon with Sky Scourge Norleras. In this combo you wouldn't need sangan anymore, you could just use a card to put Yata on the top of your deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curium Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Until you can name such unacceptable locks it can make' date=' I don't see the banworthy-ness.Attack stopping with unlimited/searchable components are everywhere, I suppose you won't argue Dupe Frog plus Substitoad bannable, considering how Substitoad is highly searchable, can abuse tokens and ability to do locks (easily)?No, I don't. I said the locks I can think of are bad and it goes with out saying their done better by other cards.As for abusing FLIP monsters, easier said than done.Most FLIP monsters are weak, you have to keep them alive for a whole turn and use up your Normal Summon for your turn in exchange for a +1.It's the reason why FLIP monsters have been considered slow.If unbanning this does make FLIP monsters see play again, there's always stuff like Nobleman of Crossout.In a good format it is easy to keep a card alive for one turn. And even if you can only use it once you have expanded upon the monsters effect and still have Tsukuyomi in your hand for latter use. Also Nobleman of Crossout should be banned for the very reason that you said. It kills an already meh group of cards. Seriously, any monster with not that decent attack can run over most flip monsoters out there, you'll have to fill up your deck with 1-for-1 destruction cards or things like solemn judgment to keep it alive.The point is, +1 is really not insta-ban. Gadgets give +1 upon summoning with the only set up being having the next Gadget in the chain inside the deck, this one requires much more set up.It's not like using up a normal summon can be neglected as well. Also, do you want shield crush banned as well?Are Smashing Ground, Fissure, Soul Taker ban-worthy because they kills Face-up monsters, hence forcing the opponent to play facedowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 It's kawai. But 0 is AOK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeaux Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I would ban this card if it was a a non-Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I would ban this card if it was a a non-Spirit lol being a spirit makes it bannible. the fact u have an infinite book of moon just for a normal summon once per turn makes it broke. it actually being a spirit makes it so just limiting it does nothing other than make it harder to put in ur hand... not that sangan can do that on his own. if it wasnt a Spirit it would only work once and limiting would actually do something. 0, forevah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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