YCM-kun, what do you think of Tsukuyomi?

[CrabHelmet]

This reminds me of that time I was dueling someone who hadn't played in a while, and he used Enemy Controller to switch my Colossal Fighter to defense mode and attacked it.

 

What made it awesome was that he did so while I had two copies of COSR on the field.

[Alordzynix]

What made it awesome was that he did so while I had two copies of COSR on the field.

I knew it, Crab helmet cheats! Card of Safe Return is limited! Try talking yourself out of this one! =D

 

Back on topic: I think it doesn't deserve to be banned anymore. I mean even with his lockdown (if you can still pull it off), how good would that lock be in the current meta?

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

What made it awesome was that he did so while I had two copies of COSR on the field.

I knew it' date=' Crab helmet cheats! Card of Safe Return is limited! Try talking yourself out of this one! =D

 

Back on topic: I think it doesn't deserve to be banned anymore. I mean even with his lockdown (if you can still pull it off), how good would that lock be in the current meta?

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Don't be stupid, please.

[Alordzynix]

What made it awesome was that he did so while I had two copies of COSR on the field.

I knew it' date=' Crab helmet cheats! Card of Safe Return is limited! Try talking yourself out of this one! =D

 

Back on topic: I think it doesn't deserve to be banned anymore. I mean even with his lockdown (if you can still pull it off), how good would that lock be in the current meta?

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Don't be stupid, please.

The first part was a joke. Only focus on the second part. The lockdown he/she used to have can't (and if wouldn't be top tier) be pulled so the little he/she doesn't really deserve to be banned for the little use it has.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

[Static]

In this current meta, it could be at 3 and nothing would happen.

 

In a proper Meta, Morphing Jar would be banned, and this card could be at 1 and not promote skill-less playing.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

 

What about threatening roar, mask of darkness and ryko?

 

There's more than 1 way to lock with tsukuyomi.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

 

What about threatening roar' date=' mask of darkness and ryko?

 

There's more than 1 way to lock with tsukuyomi.

[/quote']

 

Weak lock, all it does is stop your opponent from attacking and will fail if they destroy mask. That lock is in no way banworthy.

[Crow™]

TBH, I really don't see why this card is banned. It doesn't seem very good to me....

[Lazer Yoshi]

It should be at 3.

Book of Moon's at 3, right?

If Book is at 3, this should be at 3.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

 

What about threatening roar' date=' mask of darkness and ryko?

 

There's more than 1 way to lock with tsukuyomi.

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Weak lock, all it does is stop your opponent from attacking and will fail if they destroy mask. That lock is in no way banworthy.

 

It's still a lock. You'd need to deal with ryko, mask of darkness, and a couple more flip effects for tsuku to be harmless.

 

This is like a permanent book of moon compared to the spell when you lose it when you play it. Grand mole is a permanent compulsory evacuation device, but this can also kill anything with less than 1100 def. I know you need to forfeit your normal summon but if you can manage to control the field it doesn't matter plus there's so many good sp summon these days.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

It's still a lock. You'd need to deal with ryko' date=' mask of darkness, and a couple more flip effects for tsuku to be harmless.[/quote']

I didn't realize all locks were banworthy regardless of if they're actually effective or not. You've opened my eyes. Quick! Ban Level Limit Area B! It can lock your opponent from attacking!

 

This is like a permanent book of moon compared to the spell when you lose it when you play it. Grand mole is a permanent compulsory evacuation device' date=' but this can also kill anything with less than 1100 def. I know you need to forfeit your normal summon but if you can manage to control the field it doesn't matter plus there's so many good sp summon these days.

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Until it gets destroyed of course. Even a simple "Trap Hole" can prevent these combos from being realized. The only reason the Time Seal lock works is because it prevents your opponent from gaining the resources necessary to kill Tsukuyomi. In all of these other locks, your opponent can and will be able to find something to kill Tsuku with.

[Huntar!]

Limited. I dont think it causes too much of a threat.

[Flame Dragon]

Should remain banned.

 

Even with some of the locks banned it can still do locks. Hell even if this is crappy, Swords of Revealing Light + Magician of Faith + Giant Trunade + This = Your opponent can not attack as long untill they draw into monster or spell/trap destruction. Sure that might not be so hard, but since MoF is at 3 on a good list you can easily replace her if she is destroyed. Again I know this is crappy but odds are people can think of much better ones if they tried.

 

Besides that this can also combo with other Flip monster that on their own aren't bad, but having their effect being constantly reusable would make them become bad. These include the draw and card destruction ones.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Should remain banned.

 

Even with some of the locks banned it can still do locks. Hell even if this is crappy' date=' Swords of Revealing Light + Magician of Faith + Giant Trunade + This = Your opponent can not attack as long untill they draw into monster or spell/trap destruction. Sure that might not be so hard, but since MoF is at 3 on a good list you can easily replace her if she is destroyed. [b']Again I know this is crappy but odds are people can think of much better ones if they tried. [/b]

 

Besides that this can also combo with other Flip monster that on their own aren't bad, but having their effect being constantly reusable would make them become bad. These include the draw and card destruction ones.

Wow so you think this should be banned because there MIGHT be a good combo with it? So stupid.

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Limited. I dont think it causes too much of a threat.

 

I'd love to hear why something that causes little threat should be limited.

[Flame Dragon]

Should remain banned.

 

Even with some of the locks banned it can still do locks. Hell even if this is crappy' date=' Swords of Revealing Light + Magician of Faith + Giant Trunade + This = Your opponent can not attack as long untill they draw into monster or spell/trap destruction. Sure that might not be so hard, but since MoF is at 3 on a good list you can easily replace her if she is destroyed. [b']Again I know this is crappy but odds are people can think of much better ones if they tried. [/b]

 

Besides that this can also combo with other Flip monster that on their own aren't bad, but having their effect being constantly reusable would make them become bad. These include the draw and card destruction ones.

Wow so you think this should be banned because there MIGHT be a good combo with it? So stupid.

That is stupid, luckily I don't think that. I think that this thing can lock with cards (granted the ones I think of aren't the best). I also think that nothing is as simple as they appear and that this has uses besides the most apparent, as such I think their are other combos with this, however when determining it's blameworthiness I'm not counting in those unknowns. I'm simply making a note of them.

 

Right now I think this is banworthy because of the abuse it allows for the flip monsters, namely the draw and card destroyers, the ability to do locks, even crappy ones, is an extra.

 

Now what makes this different from other 1 for 1 is that they are reuseable.

[SUPERYUGI!GO!!]

if he became unbanned, man-eater bug and ultimate off ring would have to become limited or else you could combo to destroy all the cards

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

if he became unbanned' date=' man-eater bug and ultimate off ring would have to become limited or else you could combo to destroy all the cards

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Please leave; do not return if you value your life.

[Curium]

Should remain banned.

 

Even with some of the locks banned it can still do locks. Hell even if this is crappy' date=' Swords of Revealing Light + Magician of Faith + Giant Trunade + This = Your opponent can not attack as long untill they draw into monster or spell/trap destruction. Sure that might not be so hard, but since MoF is at 3 on a good list you can easily replace her if she is destroyed. [b']Again I know this is crappy but odds are people can think of much better ones if they tried. [/b]

 

Besides that this can also combo with other Flip monster that on their own aren't bad, but having their effect being constantly reusable would make them become bad. These include the draw and card destruction ones.

Wow so you think this should be banned because there MIGHT be a good combo with it? So stupid.

That is stupid, luckily I don't think that. I think that this thing can lock with cards (granted the ones I think of aren't the best). I also think that nothing is as simple as they appear and that this has uses besides the most apparent, as such I think their are other combos with this, however when determining it's blameworthiness I'm not counting in those unknowns. I'm simply making a note of them.

 

Right now I think this is banworthy because of the abuse it allows for the flip monsters, namely the draw and card destroyers, the ability to do locks, even crappy ones, is an extra.

 

Now what makes this different from other 1 for 1 is that they are reuseable.

 

Until you can name such unacceptable locks it can make, I don't see the banworthy-ness.

Attack stopping with unlimited/searchable components are everywhere, I suppose you won't argue Dupe Frog plus Substitoad bannable, considering how Substitoad is highly searchable, can abuse tokens and ability to do locks (easily)?

 

As for abusing FLIP monsters, easier said than done.

Most FLIP monsters are weak, you have to keep them alive for a whole turn and use up your Normal Summon for your turn in exchange for a +1.

It's the reason why FLIP monsters have been considered slow.

If unbanning this does make FLIP monsters see play again, there's always stuff like Nobleman of Crossout.

[MetaGame]

if he became unbanned' date=' man-eater bug and ultimate off ring would have to become limited or else you could combo to destroy all the cards

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Please leave; do not return if you value your life.

 

That wasn't nice. :(

 

Tsukuyomi is a fair card on its own and so is Ultimate Offering, but as all good players should know paying lifepoints or not losing card advantage for card advantage isn't exactly fair even if it is harder to use than Judgment Dragon or Dark Armed Dragon.

[Flame Dragon]

Should remain banned.

 

Even with some of the locks banned it can still do locks. Hell even if this is crappy' date=' Swords of Revealing Light + Magician of Faith + Giant Trunade + This = Your opponent can not attack as long untill they draw into monster or spell/trap destruction. Sure that might not be so hard, but since MoF is at 3 on a good list you can easily replace her if she is destroyed. [b']Again I know this is crappy but odds are people can think of much better ones if they tried. [/b]

 

Besides that this can also combo with other Flip monster that on their own aren't bad, but having their effect being constantly reusable would make them become bad. These include the draw and card destruction ones.

Wow so you think this should be banned because there MIGHT be a good combo with it? So stupid.

That is stupid, luckily I don't think that. I think that this thing can lock with cards (granted the ones I think of aren't the best). I also think that nothing is as simple as they appear and that this has uses besides the most apparent, as such I think their are other combos with this, however when determining it's blameworthiness I'm not counting in those unknowns. I'm simply making a note of them.

 

Right now I think this is banworthy because of the abuse it allows for the flip monsters, namely the draw and card destroyers, the ability to do locks, even crappy ones, is an extra.

 

Now what makes this different from other 1 for 1 is that they are reuseable.

 

Until you can name such unacceptable locks it can make, I don't see the banworthy-ness.

Attack stopping with unlimited/searchable components are everywhere, I suppose you won't argue Dupe Frog plus Substitoad bannable, considering how Substitoad is highly searchable, can abuse tokens and ability to do locks (easily)?

No, I don't. I said the locks I can think of are bad and it goes with out saying their done better by other cards.

As for abusing FLIP monsters, easier said than done.

Most FLIP monsters are weak, you have to keep them alive for a whole turn and use up your Normal Summon for your turn in exchange for a +1.

It's the reason why FLIP monsters have been considered slow.

If unbanning this does make FLIP monsters see play again, there's always stuff like Nobleman of Crossout.

In a good format it is easy to keep a card alive for one turn. And even if you can only use it once you have expanded upon the monsters effect and still have Tsukuyomi in your hand for latter use. Also Nobleman of Crossout should be banned for the very reason that you said. It kills an already meh group of cards.

[Exiro]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

 

Since when?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

 

Since when?

 

What is the difference between it and time seal? Unless you drop something like Mezuki anything you can use one for you can use the other for.

[Exiro]

banned

 

reason : tsuku-locks

 

Time seal and Drastic Drop-Off are banworthy.

 

Since when?

 

What is the difference between it and time seal? Unless you drop something like Mezuki anything you can use one for you can use the other for.

 

The big difference is that Time Seal is chainable.