Naruto

[Merci]

Well, I guess it's called Time/Space Technique for a reason.

[Death Metal]

I would love to see Itachi as a good guy. I know he's dead and all but still.

 

You must be really far behind or something....

 

Read 397 onwards.

[CarlinFan]

I think she means actually fighting alongside the other protagonists.

[Death Metal]

Oh.

 

That's boring... It would just be overkill for the antagonists. At least up until the Invasion of Pein where he would get his ass whooped like the rest of Konoha.

[Merci]

Nah, I'm sure Itachi is stronger at Pain. All he has to do is look at Pain using Amaterasu.

[CarlinFan]

Itachi is around Pain's power level, and is quite possibly stronger. He certainly wouldn't get his ass whooped. If you consider that he defeated Sasuke while terminally ill and virtually blind, imagine how powerful he was when he wasn't dying of plot-itis. He outsped Kakashi pretty easily without even using half of his power, so who knows how fast Itachi actually was? For that fight, I would bet on Itachi to win.

[Merci]

Naruto beat Pain. Sasuke is as strong as Naruto. Itachi could easily defeat Sasuke.

 

So yeah.

[CarlinFan]

Actually, Naruto didn't really beat Pain. He struck the final blow, but Pain had already used up a lot of energy killing other Konoha Shinobi, reviving Asura Path (which was destroyed by Kakashi), and, you know, making the village into a bigass crater with his mind. Plus, he actually beat Naruto and was about to take him before Hinata makes the monumental decision to stop being completely f***ing useless. So Naruto was beaten by a weakened Pain who only lost because Hinata caused Naruto to go crazy 6-tails rage.

That said, Itachi would beat Pain.

[rhstanley3]

lol, i used to like itachi and not love him, and then i woke the hell up and realized how much of a bamf itachi really is. and carlin fan, you also forgot that pain revived the one that absorbs jutsu as well while fighting naruto. but still, i think itachi could easily defeat pain.

[Death Metal]

That said' date=' Itachi would beat Pain.

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I dunno... seems like a close call. Given the fact that Pein has a Rinnegan gives him a huge advantage in the field of Ninjutsu (excluding Fire-style because Amaterasu). I will give Itachi his dues, he did help systematically kill off all of his clan but the fact remains that it is a battle of eyes, and as it is Rinnegan > Sharingan (hell, even Madara wanted Nagato's eye and he has an EMS). However, I can't really acknowledge the Rinnegan as a superior in the field on Genjutsu as Pein never really used any, that would be just about the only area Itachi excels over Nagato at.

[CarlinFan]

The fact that they both have extremely powerful ocular powers doesn't necessarily mean that it'll come down to eyes VS eyes. According to the 3rd Databook, Kakashi's speed has only grown by .5 over timeskip (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kakashi_Hatake#stats). In the Konoha Invasion, Kakashi was able to destroy Asura Path before being killed. Itachi easily outsped pre-timeskip Kakashi without using even half of his power. Itachi's too fast for Pain to deal with, not to mention the fact that with the Sharingan, he can see what each body is about to do before they do it.

When it comes to Genjutsu, Itachi wins. His illusions are especially deadly because even though there are six bodies (seven if you count Nagato himself), there's only one mind, meaning that if Itachi can hit any of the six bodies with an illusion, all six are immobilized. A 30% replica of a terminally ill Itachi was able to put Naruto under a Genjutsu simply by pointing at him. I think a 100% Itachi that isn't dying of terminal disease should be able to hit Pain with an illusion.

Nagato's eyes are stronger. But when Itachi is that much faster and can activate illusions that easily, Nagato's eyes won't count for much.

Oh, and the moment Itachi even sees Nagato himself, he wins. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Pupil_Technique:_Destiny_Threat

[rhstanley3]

besides itachi is better than pain or pain is better than itachi, what is flying thunder god technique level 2? Is it any different than level 1? He still teleported to the kunai, just when it was in the air and not on the ground. do we know anything, or what?

[usetheforcehan]

His illusions are especially deadly because even though there are six bodies (seven if you count Nagato himself)' date=' there's only one mind, meaning that if Itachi can hit any of the six bodies with an illusion, all six are immobilized. A 30% replica of a terminally ill Itachi was able to put Naruto under a Genjutsu simply by pointing at him.

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You're wrong. Even though one of the six bodies is hit by a Genjutsu, the other is unaffected if they maintain a distant to that Genjutsu. Check the battle between Jiraiya and Pain, the 3 of Pain bodies is affected by Jiraiya's Frog Song Genjutsu and killed. But the remaining Pain bodies is unaffected and save/resurrected the other fallen bodies. Genjutsu have a range limitation as far as i know.

[CarlinFan]

Note that when that happened, Nagato didn't attack Jiraiya with other bodies until after the genjutsu had been released, not to mention the fact that Itachi's genjutsu is a lot stronger than the frogs'.

[usetheforcehan]

Note that when that happened' date=' Nagato didn't attack Jiraiya with other bodies until [i']after[/i] the genjutsu had been released, not to mention the fact that Itachi's genjutsu is a lot stronger than the frogs'.

 

I don't know why Nagato didn't immediately attack Jiraiya, perhaps for a surprise or shock factor? Or perhaps it was done by Masashi-san for a reader to say "OMG! Pain have 6 Bodies!"? Or perhaps his editor want it that way so Jiraiya doesn't have to face 6 bodies of Pain right from the beginning? I don't know.

 

But the truth is Genjutsu have a range limit. Even though Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi is uber Jutsu, it cannot affect enemies from miles away. The range of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi probably limited at 100 meter. It range can be extended however, at the cost of tears of blood and blindness.

[CarlinFan]

Genjutsu = Manipulation of the target's chakra flow. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Genjutsu

Pain's Chakra Transmission Rods (his method for controlling the bodies) = 2-way conduit (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/13/ page 13-14)

 

Thus, Nagato's chakra could be disrupted through the chakra transmitters.

 

Even if Itachi couldn't do that, he could still put all six bodies under Genjutsu one by one.

[rhstanley3]

carlin fan is right. Since they all have chakra transmitters, once itachi uses the genjutsu on one, wouldn't it affect the others, even if they're not in the area? Naruto used the 2-way chakra signals in order to track Nagato (Carlinfan has the link in the post above). So if genjutsu plays with the chakra, he could essentially use the chakra transmitters to put all of the six paths of pain into a genjutsu. besides, in a single battle with all of them in a single place, he could put all 6 of them under genjutsu at the same time and incapacitate them all. Itachi would still win.

[Merci]

Cool. Itachi is stronger.

[Legend Zero]

Cool. Itachi is stronger.

 

The way Minato acted in the last chapter he'd kick Itachi's a** in his own genjutsu. =P

[Merci]

They're both awesome. Give Itachi five more years and Minato resigns then he'd become Hokage.

[Legend Zero]

They're both awesome. Give Itachi five more years and Minato resigns then he'd become Hokage.

 

<3

 

If he never died that might of happened, Kushina was his mom's friend. =3

 

Although if he didn't die I doubt Itachi wouldn't have Mangekyo. ='[

[Death Metal]

carlin fan is right. Since they all have chakra transmitters' date=' once itachi uses the genjutsu on one, wouldn't it affect the others, even if they're not in the area? Naruto used the 2-way chakra signals in order to track Nagato (Carlinfan has the link in the post above). So if genjutsu plays with the chakra, he could essentially use the chakra transmitters to put all of the six paths of pain into a genjutsu. besides, in a single battle with all of them in a single place, he could put all 6 of them under genjutsu at the same time and incapacitate them all. Itachi would still win.

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I'll give it that. Itachi wins the fight if he can place all paths under genjutsu at the same time. However it would be hard, Pein was put under the effects of Genjutsu twice during the series, both times only the paths that were targeted were affected. All genjutsu (except Izanagi) work the same, they disrupt a user's chakra and turn Illusion into 'Reality'. If we take into consideration that each Path has it's own chakra flow then we could assume that you'd have to target them all at the same time instead of just one at a time. All other jutsu are basically useless (Possibly, since we don't know if Preta Path could absorb Susanoo or Amaterasu). Sharingan's ability to see forthcoming movements is also somewhat limited due to the fact that there a multiple enemies (which is the rule of thumb for fighting an Uchiha; to attack in groups of two or more).

 

 

Oh, and I also forgot to mention that the newest chapter was total badass-er-ey. Kinda slipped my mind. xD

[CarlinFan]

If you adjust their abilities for age, Itachi wouldn't need the Mangekyou against Minato.

[Death Metal]

If you adjust their abilities for age' date=' Itachi wouldn't need the Mangekyou against Minato.

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How would he counter FTG technique?

[CarlinFan]

Sharingan has predictive abilities. He'd know it was coming and would be able to counter it, not to mention the fact that Itachi's pretty fast in his own right.