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The new chapter was interesting. I felt Sakura was being rather childish with her remarks at Naruto. He impressed me with his response, he's really grown alot. Still, you'd think she'd learned her lesson after what Shikamaru and Sai were talking to him about, but then again, I guess this makes sense when you think about it. I figured it interesting as soon as she said she was going to go..I figured what she was going to tell Naruto would be different from what Sai or Shikamaru had in mind lol I can't wait to see the fight between Kisame and Killerbee, that fight is going to be BEAST. Though I honestly feel that the fight may go in Kisame's favor. Its really hard to say though.

 

I mean, they both are S-Class Ninja, but then, Kisame can go into his blade and has Biju level Chakra unto himself, meanwhile Killerbee has vast swordsmanship and skill that even without a Biju pretty much raeped Sasuke, but meanwhile he also has the Eight Tails which we obviously didn't see much of its powers as he was clearly just toying with Sasuke the whole match. I also can't wait to see what becomes of Suigetsu and Juugo, hopefully more character development. Good to see them seperate from uber hax Sasuke and Go-jump-off-a-very-high-cliff-now Karin. I wonder how many Naruto Intellectuals this site has..if there are enough maybe I can have some debates..I miss the days that I pwned people in Naruto Debates, including people considered "Smart" =p (What can I say, I'm a Narutard who remembers alot -.-' XD) Besides, the only way to fix me being a lil rusty in some areas of debates is to get more experience back in. ^.^

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There's nothing much to debate about. Sakura acting childish is debatable, with her timing. I think if she were to confess to Naruto at a different time, he would've taken it more like a goofball. Sakura probably doesn't understand what is running through Naruto's mind either (?)

 

I will have to side with Killer Bee despite me really wanting Kisame to win (he is my favorite character). Killer Bee has a natural element advantage over Kisame, which makes a big difference. Even though Kisame has chakra to match Killer Bee, he doesn't have the extra boost from a bijuu (Killer Bee in his complete 8-Tails form). I mean, if Killer Bee were to go into 8-Tails, how can Kisame stop him? Just another Suiton shark technique? That won't do anything to the Hachibi's raw chakra attacks. Sure he beat the 4-tails :( but he had a natural advantage and it was against a weaker bijuu.

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There's nothing much to debate about. Sakura acting childish is debatable' date=' with her timing. I think if she were to confess to Naruto at a different time, he would've taken it more like a goofball. Sakura probably doesn't understand what is running through Naruto's mind either (?)

 

I will have to side with Killer Bee despite me really wanting Kisame to win (he is my favorite character). Killer Bee has a natural element advantage over Kisame, which makes a big difference. Even though Kisame has chakra to match Killer Bee, he doesn't have the extra boost from a bijuu (Killer Bee in his complete 8-Tails form). I mean, if Killer Bee were to go into 8-Tails, how can Kisame stop him? Just another Suiton shark technique? That won't do anything to the Hachibi's raw chakra attacks. Sure he beat the 4-tails :( but he had a natural advantage and it was against a weaker bijuu.

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Sounds like debatable topics to me =p Lets see..Sakura does somewhat understand whats going on in Naruto's mind, she is just trying to make him feel better while also lieing to herself by saying she loves him too. Then she rationalises it with simple remarks about process of elimination meaning that she loves him, sense he's been there and Sasuke hasn't. He wouldn't've taken it like a goofball. The reason she's doing this shows that even in a normal situation, Naruto has matured enough that he'd say the same or similar.

 

I want Kisame to win, but it does seem Killerbee MIGHT have the advantage. Not a chakra adavantage though. They both have Biju level chakra, and their nature affinities cancel each other out (Lightning and Water are weak to each other because Water makes the lightning stronger but in turn electrocutes them both painfully.) We haven't seen nearly all of Kisame's abilities dude, he was using a small percentage of his chakra against Gai, so we really don't know what he's capable of yet. He beat Four tails and he did NOT have natural advantage. Water+lava=Glass. They weren't good odds. Also keep in mind that Shukaku, one tails was as strong as it is, and yet this was four tails. Granted, 8 is double of four. I'm also not saying Kisame will win or that Killerbee will win..it just seems that are too many variables to really say. It feels like a close match to me.

 

Kisame will probably do better at first though because Killerbee is clearly not taking him seriously. Keep this in mind, since Killerbee was just toying around, we really don't know his actual level either. They both are very up in the air in this case. Not to mention Kisame's Samehada can absorb Biju level chakra, as its shown to do to Kyuubi Chakra, if you remember part 1. Kisame clearly has the homefield advantage in some areas, but then so does Killerbee. That's why I say it could go either way, btu we also haven't seen the truth strength of either one. Lets hope Kishi doesn't screw this up. Because recently chapters have been really dissapointing and its clear he trolled a fanfic for the Juubi idea.

Come on' date=' Naruto debates are fun.

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If me and my bro (figurative bro) both got in a debate with you and the smartest naruto people you knew I bet we'd pwn you guys =p

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Come on' date=' Naruto debates are fun.

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If me and my bro (figurative bro) both got in a debate with you and the smartest naruto people you knew I bet we'd pwn you guys =p

 

And if you lose the debate? Or neither side wins?

 

Before Tobi was revealed to be Madara, two people were once arguing whether Tobi was Obito or Danzo. In turn, it turned out that they were both wrong. And Tobi was actually Madara.

 

Because recently chapters have been really dissapointing and its clear he trolled a fanfic for the Juubi idea.

Sasuke VS Raikage = Not epic?

 

And the Jubi part MIGHT be correct but it's not 100% clear. But it was kinda obvious that this sorta thing was obviously obvious. Even without seeing a fanfic or any other kind of form, anyone could of thought of something like that.

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=p Lets see..Sakura does somewhat understand whats going on in Naruto's mind' date=' she is just trying to make him feel better while also lieing to herself by saying she loves him too.

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I've heard that she's not lying to herself, but to Naruto. She can't shake the feelings she had for Sasuke, but doesn't want to see Naruto push himself so far after all this time.

 

Then she rationalises it with simple remarks about process of elimination meaning that she loves him, sense he's been there and Sasuke hasn't. He wouldn't've taken it like a goofball. The reason she's doing this shows that even in a normal situation, Naruto has matured enough that he'd say the same or similar.

 

Elfman of Fairy Tail approves of Naruto's manliness.

 

I want Kisame to win, but it does seem Killerbee MIGHT have the advantage. Not a chakra adavantage though. They both have Biju level chakra, and their nature affinities cancel each other out (Lightning and Water are weak to each other because Water makes the lightning stronger but in turn electrocutes them both painfully.) We haven't seen nearly all of Kisame's abilities dude, he was using a small percentage of his chakra against Gai, so we really don't know what he's capable of yet. He beat Four tails and he did NOT have natural advantage. Water+lava=Glass. They weren't good odds. Also keep in mind that Shukaku, one tails was as strong as it is, and yet this was four tails. Granted, 8 is double of four. I'm also not saying Kisame will win or that Killerbee will win..it just seems that are too many variables to really say. It feels like a close match to me.

 

According to Neji, Kisame at 30% chakra is the equivalent of Naruto when utilizing the Kyuubi's chakra just before gaining a tail. Make of that what you will.

 

Kisame will probably do better at first though because Killerbee is clearly not taking him seriously.

 

He got ambushed by four Akatsuki "members". He'll be suspicious about having to deal with only one this time.

 

Because recently chapters have been really dissapointing and its clear he trolled a fanfic for the Juubi idea.

 

Only the last chapter was bad because of how terrible Sakura is at lying. There has always been speculation that the chakra of all Bijuu stored in Gedo Mazo would create some uber demon, and the Juubi more or less proved that. It also does settle the curiosity regarding where the Bijuu came from, though I am curious of where the Juubi came from.

 

If me and my bro (figurative bro) both got in a debate with you and the smartest naruto people you knew I bet we'd pwn you guys =p

 

We shall how that goes.

 

After I showed a friend of mine a picture of the Juubi, I pointed out how the eye is a combination of the Rinnegan and Sharingan. Because of this, he concluded that the Juubi is the origin of the Sharingan, and that it was its blood that created it. Of course, this still leaves me baffled about Kakashi's statement very early on that the Sharingan supposedly descended from the Byakugan. Of course, this is coming from the same guy who thought getting the Rinnegan was a mutation, so it's likely he was wrong there.

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So if Kisame at 30% chakra equals Naruto at 1-Tail, shouldn't Killer Bee at 8-Tails be able to topple Kisame at 100%? Kisame was already using more than a quarter of his chakra to match a 1-Tail, so in theory, he should use all of his chakra by around the 6-Tails? Statistically it sounds that Killer Bee has the advantage. I don't see how Water + Lava = Glass, wouldn't water just harden the lava and convert it to hardened rock? In the Water vs Lightning, lightnig can't stop water but it can travel through water and shock anything touching it. I doubt Killer Bee would be eletricuted by his own element, especially since he is a S-Class Jinchuriki who is the brother of the kage who uses lightning chakra as armor. I think more of this battle will be taijutsu because Killer Bee has his un-readable 8-sword battle style while Kisame has superhuman strength with a massive shredder. So I see it as speed vs strength. Too bad we don't know how physically muscular Killer Bee is.

 

On a side note: If Killer Bee goes 8-Tails and uses that chakra energy ball attack, how can Kisame stop that if Sasuke was barely able to escape alive? Luckily Sasuke had Amaterasu.

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Come on' date=' Naruto debates are fun.

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If me and my bro (figurative bro) both got in a debate with you and the smartest naruto people you knew I bet we'd pwn you guys =p

 

And if you lose the debate? Or neither side wins?

 

Before Tobi was revealed to be Madara, two people were once arguing whether Tobi was Obito or Danzo. In turn, it turned out that they were both wrong. And Tobi was actually Madara.

 

Because recently chapters have been really dissapointing and its clear he trolled a fanfic for the Juubi idea.

Sasuke VS Raikage = Not epic?

 

And the Jubi part MIGHT be correct but it's not 100% clear. But it was kinda obvious that this sorta thing was obviously obvious. Even without seeing a fanfic or any other kind of form' date=' anyone could of thought of something like that.

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If someone on this site or anywhere else beat me and Angeal together (even with the help of two friends for them) I'll be extremely impressed because your smarter than anyone I've ever met online. You'll have earned it and its fun anyways =p lol

 

As for Tobi being Obitio..I always thought that was fail lol Obito was clearly crushed by rocks. My debates are based on facts presented. The facts say Tobi couldn't be Obito.

 

Sasuke vs Raikage wasn't that epic, no. First off: Raikage just did a couple wrestling moves. Granted the lightning around his body was cool, but it was much of a fight before Sasuke trolled the fight with his MS. Then when he did that, Gaara stepped up, not much happened, Sasuke was about to lose to Mizukage and then suddenly Zetsu saves him, more or less. So no, that wasn't epic. It was somewhat cool to see, I'll give you that, but no, not epic. Which is sad because it could've been...easily.

 

The thing was it made Kyuubi suddenly appear useless and in addition made no sense as a plot device. I mean, that is something that mainly the n00bs would say, or in fanfiction and suddenly it happens? Kishi clearly pulled that one out of his ass. There was no prior information to support this, it made no sense, and it has 1 eye and no snout. Sad to say..but more lame than 6tails and 7tails and they are aren't even beasts! (they're a slug and a bug!) He's even openly admitted thats what he did with 2-8 tails. They were an afterthought to give Akatsuki more motivation other than Kyuubi, and Shukaku was retconned into Ichibi. Not to mention the lame grand plan of the guy whose supposed to be a genius. Its even more childish than the whiny nagato who is easily controlled and seeks approval by asking people questions all the time to get them to change his mind...at least Nagato's plan made sense. Madara is too old for such a childish thought as a forced fake peace through Genjutsu. There's got to be more to his plan than that or Kishi has failed in a series that's been declineing ever sense the Sasuke and Sai Arc ended. Sure, its had its cool moments but theres been far too many disappointments. (Plus most of the Pain invasion arc was just bleh..Rinnegan is stupid other than Gravity Pain) I will say though, I'm still going to read this series to the end either way. I'm still a Naruto fan, even if its mainly for what it was and could be, rather than what it is now. Who knows? Maybe the Kisame vs Killerbee fight and Fourth Ninja War can help some.

I've heard that she's not lying to herself' date=' but to Naruto. She can't shake the feelings she had for Sasuke, but doesn't want to see Naruto push himself so far after all this time.

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No. She wouldn't lie to Naruto like that, its not like her. But she WOULD lie to herself. Sakura wants Naruto to be strong, this is true, but lieing to him wouldn't help and she knows that. No, look at how into that she was. She clearly honestly thought what she was saying was true. She just lied to herself.

 

According to Neji, Kisame at 30% chakra is the equivalent of Naruto when utilizing the Kyuubi's chakra just before gaining a tail. Make of that what you will.

 

Hmm..good point. However that is only at 30%. Furthermore, that wasn't Kisame's actual body so its possible it may've expended chakra or handled it differently, in theory. But as for just straight facts, you make a good point however we can't say what that'll mean for 8-tails and furthermore, its still Biju in level with his chakra, and plus Samehada can absorb Chakra..but you do present a valid point, I'll give you that. I still reinforce that this fight really could go either way though. But I will say if he pulls out his full Biju form, the only reason its still questionable is its probably poor mobility due to it having no back legs.

 

 

He got ambushed by four Akatsuki "members". He'll be suspicious about having to deal with only one this time.

Did you pay attention to Killerbee at all last chapter dude? He didn't care at all. Its because he did so well against what he believed to be 4 members earlier that he's so cocky. He clearly is underestimating Kisame and thinking it'll be a quick fight. He also was only toying with Team Hawk, so its hard to say what level he truely is, however I must say that him underestimating Kisame could give him enough of a headstart to turn this battle more in his favor. Though in the end, its very likely Kisame will die..would make sense based on the rumors that 8-tails will attack Konoha later...and the confirmed interview that shows that 3 new members will join Akatsuki that are better than Hidan, Kakuzu and Orochimaru..also that one will be the "Hokage's" brother..interesting isn't it? Ah but I'm off topic forgive me lol

 

Only the last chapter was bad because of how terrible Sakura is at lying. There has always been speculation that the chakra of all Bijuu stored in Gedo Mazo would create some uber demon, and the Juubi more or less proved that. It also does settle the curiosity regarding where the Bijuu came from, though I am curious of where the Juubi came from.

I figured something uber, but my theory made more sense, even though a bit of a stretch. I can copy it and paste it here if you like. Its a theory on how the Biju=Madara's real chakra levels and power. Keep in mind this theory is rather old tho..but sure as heck made more and more sense up until the whole Juubi thing came into the picture.

We shall see how that goes.

 

After I showed a friend of mine a picture of the Juubi, I pointed out how the eye is a combination of the Rinnegan and Sharingan. Because of this, he concluded that the Juubi is the origin of the Sharingan, and that it was its blood that created it. Of course, this still leaves me baffled about Kakashi's statement very early on that the Sharingan supposedly descended from the Byakugan. Of course, this is coming from the same guy who thought getting the Rinnegan was a mutation, so it's likely he was wrong there.

If I can get him to join, we shall see indeed lol

 

As for the rest of what you said:

It was rumored. My thoughts are that this goes well with what I've believed for a long time. Dark Chakra created the Sharingan, as Kishimoto has always stated. Also the Uchiha came from the Elder brother, who had the Sage's eyes. Likely the Byakugan came somehow from the Rinnegan, and in turn, somewhere, the Sages Eyes also had one other mutation: Juubi-like energy creating the Sharingan. Makes sense. Dark Chakra+Sages Eyes=Sharingan.

 

Meanwhile Byakugan, rumored to come from the Sharingan, is partially due to their simliarities, but it actually came from the Sages Eyes in a different way, but that would further explain why the rumor surfaced. Whose to say the Rinnegan isn't a mutation? Notice it lay dorment for years. Technically its possible that its a mutated Kekkei Genkai. basically, the recessive Genes of mixed blood causes a recessive mutation that leads to there being no Rinnegan for many years, largley due to the only domniate one probably going to Sharingan and Byakugan. Thus, it lay dorment for many years until Nagato came along. Course, this is all in theory of course.

 

Feel free to point out any flaws with this post if there genuinely are any..I'm sleepy atm so there might be somethings forgotten, etc. lol

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