Naruto

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

I bet Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation or something. Though, it does make me wonder. Who were the other reincarnations? I'm guessing Minato and Hashirama is another of Ashura's reincarnation.

 

Also, Kishi just called Kaguya the "Rabbit Princess". Really can't avoid the cliches, can you Kishi? Next thing we know she's from the moon and the Hagoromo clan really are moon people. Maybe the language Hagoromo spoke in was moonspeak? Might explain why Naruto didn't understand.

Minato wasn't a reincarnation. He has no confirmed Uchiha rival/brother nor was he considered to be horrible.

 

Hashirama was though. Madara was definitely an Indra type, and even though he wasn't really a horrible shinobi, Naruto's been compared to him numerous times now.

 

Also, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Sasuke is quite apparently the next Indra.

 

As for Naruto not understanding, I think that has to do with the English translation. My bet is that Hagoromo was speaking in an archaic form of Japanese, and Naruto being the lovable idiot that he is, didn't really grasp what he was saying. However, I'd laugh hysterically if it actually was "moonspeak".

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Hmm... Makes sense, I guess. That means there's a really, really long gap between reincarnations then. 

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Something just occurred to me.

 

How can Indra use Susanoo and how can Ashura use Bijuu Mode? Indra is the first known person to possess the Sharingan (Hagoromo has only ever demonstrated the Rinnegan) and Ashura was never confirmed as a Jinchuuriki.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Indra actually had an unknown dojutsu that seems to be a degraded Rinnegan in his first appearance. (When they're explaining the origins of the Senju vs Uchiha conflict) Kishi forgot about that and gave him a Sharingan for some weird reason. It's likely that he activated Mangekyo after his dad's death, and later achieved Eternal Mangekyo because he's "The original Sharingan" or some bull. That, or he got Eternal through one of Hagomoro's Brother's descendant. Though that might be unlikely, as it's not confirmed that he has the Rinnegan.

 

Ashura's cloak might not actually be nine-tails chakra, but rather just a chakra cloak that he can make. Apparently he possess Hagoromo's "body", and we've seen how people who possess the Sage's power make chakra cloaks. (Obito and Madara's clothes after they became jinchuriki) A bit far-fetched, but it's a pretty good explanation since it's unlikely he became a jinchuriki.

[Phantom Roxas]

The reincarnation was actually hinted at when Naruto saved the Bijuu, with them speculating that Naruto had some connection to Hagoromo, and some people actually did think it meant reincarnation. However, given how Hagoromo basically says that he, Ashura, and Indra are "chakra ghosts" that wander around, I think it's less like Naruto was directly reincarnated from Ashura, but rather that Ashura's spirit came to inhibit Naruto. As for who Ashura would have possessed before, it would have been Kushina, or at least some on her family tree, since she is descended from Ashura.

 

As for this forcing a "destiny" theme, it's more that every major war boils down to the same two families fighting. It's a wonder that Hagoromo and his brother actually worked together.

[Flame Dragon]

I am quite curious to know about Hagoromo's brother now.

 

Obviously he shares a part in this story now, since they went out of the way to add him in.

 

 

Yea, when it said he had a brother that raised a flag. I'm like, this is new information, I wonder what this will mean.

 

 

As for Naruto not understanding, I think that has to do with the English translation. My bet is that Hagoromo was speaking in an archaic form of Japanese, and Naruto being the lovable idiot that he is, didn't really grasp what he was saying. However, I'd laugh hysterically if it actually was "moonspeak".

 

That seems like a resonable conclusion. Going to be interesting to see what Shonen Jump does for the translation.

 

Not going to lie, I didn't catch the whole "moon rabbits" connection until just now. I do love me the Moonfolk.

[Tentacruel]

She can't be from the moon considering her son created the moon.

 

Also this manga keeps getting more and more contrived. 

[Philemon]

She can't be from the moon considering her son created the moon.

 

Also this manga keeps getting more and more contrived. 

 

There's other planets with other moon's, maybe that's way the Sage (still can't spell his name) sealed the Ten Tails into a homemade Moon, then-Earth didn't have one.

[Sleepy]

So she was the world's first shakra-holding person due to the power of the Juubi Juubi Fruit  [/One Piece Ok]

[vla1ne]

So she was the world's first shakra-holding person due to the power of the Juubi Juubi Fruit  [/One Piece Ok]

So the water walk technique was created to prevent herself from drowning after she ate the devil fruit?

 

On another note, If these three (the sage and his kids) had so much power that they could possess others of their bloodline as time went on, Is there any reason to believe that the mother/grandmother couldn't, or hasn't done the same at one point or another?

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Hmm

 

So Hogoromo created Ninshuu, then his brother must have created ninjutsu perhaps?

[Fusion X. Denver]

Huh.

I'm not sure how I feel about all the new developments from this chapter. On one hand, it annoys me how Naruto's previous message of f*ck destiny has been severely contradicted at this point. But that aside, I find it interesting how Hagoromo fought the Juubi with his brother, why wasn't his brother passed down in legend? 

I missed the moon-rabbit thing as well, but I'm fine with that. I personally like how Kishi borrows from Japanese tales for stuff in his manga.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

There's a possibility that I thought of.

 

We know that the Uzumaki clan and the Senju clan (and the Uchiha clan) are distantly related. It's possible that the Uzumaki clan was founded by Hagoromo's brother as a clan to seal away the Tailed Beasts should they run amok, hence their affinity with sealing techniques. Of course, since over time people believed the Sage of the Six Paths to be a myth, they forgot the purpose of their sealing techniques, or their beliefs were corrupted, much in the same way as Ninshu vs Ninjutsu.

 

It's also possible that Ginkaku and Kinkaku are from the line of Hagoromo's brother since they appear similar in stature (from what we can see so far).

[Akiyuri]

The older brother should be Sasuke. Kishi, you can try to prove me wrong, but I know you won't.

[Phantom Roxas]

There's a possibility that I thought of.

 

We know that the Uzumaki clan and the Senju clan (and the Uchiha clan) are distantly related. It's possible that the Uzumaki clan was founded by Hagoromo's brother as a clan to seal away the Tailed Beasts should they run amok, hence their affinity with sealing techniques. Of course, since over time people believed the Sage of the Six Paths to be a myth, they forgot the purpose of their sealing techniques, or their beliefs were corrupted, much in the same way as Ninshu vs Ninjutsu.

 

It's also possible that Ginkaku and Kinkaku are from the line of Hagoromo's brother since they appear similar in stature (from what we can see so far).

Obito said that Asura was the ancestor of the Senju, making him the ancestor of the Uzumaki as well.

 

And yes, it's actually Asura, and his rivalry with his brother is a reference to Buddhist mythology. Anyone remember the Devas from Digimon Tamers? Those were referencing what these two are referencing. What's interesting is that Indra is named for the leading god, while Asura is named after the beings who opposed the gods, and are typically demonized as a result, referencing the fact that Hagoromo's son Indra is naturally talented, while his brother Asura was not. However, the problem here seems to be that the Indra of Buddhist mythology is good, while the asuras are evil. I guess Kishimoto had to choose which aspect was more important to base the sons on.

[Philemon]

Obito said that Asura was the ancestor of the Senju, making him the ancestor of the Uzumaki as well.

 

And yes, it's actually Asura, and his rivalry with his brother is a reference to Buddhist mythology. Anyone remember the Devas from Digimon Tamers? Those were referencing what these two are referencing. What's interesting is that Indra is named for the leading god, while Asura is named after the beings who opposed the gods, and are typically demonized as a result, referencing the fact that Hagoromo's son Indra is naturally talented, while his brother Asura was not. However, the problem here seems to be that the Indra of Buddhist mythology is good, while the Asuras are evil. I guess Kishimoto had to choose which aspect was more important to base the sons on.

 

I think the reason's it's Asura and Indra and not Asura and Deva was we already had the Asura Path and the Deva Path with Pain. Although it's weird Kishi would name one brother after the King of Deva, and the the other after a race of beings instead of a single one, like Rahu or Virochana. Then again it might be symbolism that I'm missing, Indra is one guy while Asura has a whole army of people to back him up.

[Legend Zero]

The Asura army represents how Asura (and Naruto) gathered friends to become strong?

[Jake the Sage]

The Asura army represents how Asura (and Naruto) gathered friends to become strong?

 

Yeah pretty much. At leas that is what I'm getting from it. Asura didn't have his father or older brother's natural talent. So instead he trained himself very hard and surrounded himself with friends and allies and thus became an equal strength to his brother.

[Flame Dragon]

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/671

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

So, I would assume Gamamaru is either Hagaromo's brother or a toad.

 

So both Sasuke and Naruto are being visited. Makes sense. However, Sasuke's answer is still a bit of a mystery. I imagine it has something to do with using power to destroy Shinju and the Tailed Beasts then using power to maintain order, kind of like a dictator.

 

It looks like the final battle against Madara is set to begin.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

[spoiler=Tonight in Naruto:]

Hagoromo becomes a quiz show host,

Gai turns Super Saiyan,

And Madara is still an insufferable asshat.

 

Now I wonder what Hagoromo said to Sasuke.

Also, if the Byakugan is the first ever Dojutsu, why is it now the weakest? This chapter got me hyped for what kind of power-up Ashura- *ahem* Naruto gets.

 

 

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[spoiler=Tonight in Naruto:]

Hagoromo becomes a quiz show host,

Gai turns Super Saiyan,

And Madara is still an insufferable asshat.

 

Now I wonder what Hagoromo said to Sasuke.

Also, if the Byakugan is the first ever Dojutsu, why is it now the weakest? This chapter got me hyped for what kind of power-up Ashura- *ahem* Naruto gets.

 

 

Because it's hard to say that Byakugan is the first ever Dojutsu at this point. Kaguya had both the Sharingan and the Byakugan.

 

[spoiler=Kind of like this]

 

 

However, for you Might Guy fans, we still have to see Night Moth performed first. Seems like an allusion to how a moth is attracted to a flame and is burned.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Kaguya actually had the Byakugan and the Sharinrinnegan, like the one Juubi has.

[Akiyuri]

It is probably going to be Naruto + Sasuke > madara. Then Naruto vs Sasuke.

[Merci]

It is probably going to be Naruto + Sasuke > madara. Then Naruto vs Sasuke.

That's what I'm thinking too.

 

Though I still wonder about Orochimaru. Is he seriously just going to stand there and watch?