Naruto

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

Well, you see, Sasuke might become the poster-boy of Madara's dream, and in the final battle, he'll have shouting match with Naruto wherein both philosophies will clash. Or he'll help Orochimaru with the counter-genjutsu thingy (basically as the "shining knight" that all the fangirls have been waiting to see, he'll arrive with his gang of Orochimaru and Taka to stop Madara and thereby gain repentance)

[Fusion X. Denver]

In regards to the physical body thing, I think their sense of time would be skewed kinda like Itachi's Tsukuyomi and the person would feel like they've lived a lifetime.

Otherwise the plan wouldn't make much sense.

 

I'm pretty sure Sasuke's still planning revenge on Obito for helping Itachi kill the clan. I believe he'll team up with Naruto at first to take down their common enemy, then comes their epic fight.

[Kakashi Hatake]

In regards to the physical body thing, I think their sense of time would be skewed kinda like Itachi's Tsukuyomi and the person would feel like they've lived a lifetime.

Otherwise the plan wouldn't make much sense.

 

I'm pretty sure Sasuke's still planning revenge on Obito for helping Itachi kill the clan. I believe he'll team up with Naruto at first to take down their common enemy, then comes their epic fight.

Obito helped Itachi wipe out the Uchihas? How?

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Sasuke mentioned that Itachi had to have help to defeat all of the Uchiha, and Itachi confirmed that "Madara" helped him. Then Obito said that Itachi found him and asked for his help in exterminating the clan.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

Obito helped Itachi wipe out the Uchihas? How?

As Tobi

 

 

In regards to the physical body thing, I think their sense of time would be skewed kinda like Itachi's Tsukuyomi and the person would feel like they've lived a lifetime.

Otherwise the plan wouldn't make much sense.

So basically, Madara's plan is just a couple days of awesome partying? What happens afterwards?

I'm pretty sure Sasuke's still planning revenge on Obito for helping Itachi kill the clan.

Well, it's not like Obito killed Kakashi even though he saw it happen, so he might just use the same excuse Obito used back then. Also, the last time he tried to get revenge on the person he thought killed his clan, it ended pretty badly

[Fusion X. Denver]

Obito helped Itachi wipe out the Uchihas? How?

 

These are the things you miss when you skip stuff bro :T

Well, it's not like Obito killed Kakashi even though he saw it happen, so he might just use the same excuse Obito used back then. Also, the last time he tried to get revenge on the person he thought killed his clan, it ended pretty badly

 

Obito and Sasuke are very different people.

And Sasuke's willing to kill anyone responsible for the death of his clan, even indirectly like with the village. I'm pretty sure he's planning on taking him down.

[Kakashi Hatake]

These are the things you miss when you skip stuff bro :T

I only skipped almost everything. xD But really, I only skipped the un-needed stuff and the Pain arc because I already pieced together everything that happened.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

Obito and Sasuke are very different people.

And Sasuke's willing to kill anyone responsible for the death of his clan, even indirectly like with the village. I'm pretty sure he's planning on taking him down.

Well, after talking with Itachi I'd be willing to believe that he's changed, but might still support Obito BECAUSE of his ideals and not because he wanted Konoha to die

 

 

And to be honest, the only two people who got any characterization and were aware/ordered the mission to kill the Uchiha at the time are dead

 

 

Three if you include Old Man Third

[TheComposer]

You know, Kakashi may have had to kill Rin to get the Mangekyou to beat the Rain ninja. And maybe he used it to warp away whateve the Rain ninja had gotten their hands on.

 

It's very unlikely, but it is possible.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

You know, Kakashi may have had to kill Rin to get the Mangekyou to beat the Rain ninja. And maybe he used it to warp away whateve the Rain ninja had gotten their hands on.

 

It's very unlikely, but it is possible.

Seeing as he passed out just after stabbing Rin without even using the Mangekyo, he clearly wasn't in any state to use it even if he knew how to get mangekyo and was actively trying to get for whatever reason.

 

This is something that I'd rather just wait to see on since we have just too little information to make an accurate guess on

[TheComposer]

Seeing as he passed out just after stabbing Rin without even using the Mangekyo, he clearly wasn't in any state to use it even if he knew how to get mangekyo and was actively trying to get for whatever reason.

 

This is something that I'd rather just wait to see on since we have just too little information to make an accurate guess on

Well he still could have warped something away.

 

I just felt like throwing the idea around.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Nah, if that were the case, Kakashi would have been using Mangekyo during Part 1.

[Merci]

The reason why I joined in the argument, I figured it out. It was to convince you guys that Tobi and Madara are in the right >.>

 

But fine. Feel free to hold onto your half-assed silly ideals, which I bet originated from all kinds of manga where they support reckless behaviour and actions that are actually completely useless and delusional in this reality. But honestly. Not everyone can overcome their problems, a large percentage of people fail. To simplify what I said in the last page, it gives everyone a chance to succeed...and it's not gonna be stagnant either. Infinite Tsukuyomi is not bringing forth a stagnant heaven, but an everchanging perfect dream, fit to the person's wants. And nobody will ever notice.

 

In fact, it may have already succeeded long ago, and what we are witnessing now is Naruto's dream of defeating Tobi and saving the whole world. It isn't really such a stretch, is it? Think about it. Not only had he mastered the Sage Mode when even Jiraiya couldn't, and this was made harder sinec the Kyuubi was inside him, but he also conveniently mastered the Kyuubi within less than a day, Kushina or no Kushina. And now he's accomplishing all these feats and being called a hero by the whole shinobi world...isn't that what 'Naruto Uzumaki' would dream if he ever fell into Infinite Tsukuyomi? Just a mindscrewing suggestion.

 

Actually, I like that suggestion so much I'm gonna believe it. Sasuke suddenly seeing a path of redemption after already committing so many horrible deeds, and even coldly telling Gaara that he had closed his eyes long ago, and all that other stuff he did such as murdering samurai and mercilessly stabbing through Karin to get to Danzo...yeah, that's the kind of thing dream Naruto would want. Not only that, but he also got to meet both of his parents, who conveniently sealed themselves into his stomach along with the Kyuubi. And his speed apparently outmatches the Raikage. And he apparently earned the favor of the other Bijuu, who are conveniently not mindless once you allow yourselves to be eaten by them, thus bringing forth some imaginary flaw about Edo Tensei. And also, all of Konoha was conveniently revived by Rinne Tensei. I wonder how far it really stretches though...? No doubt his memories of the Kyuubi being stolen to complete the Juubi have been forgotten, and Killer Bee must've in truth fallen to Kisame... it had been too convenient for the Samehada to suddenly change sides....and it doesn't make sense for Tobi anyway to start a Fourth Shinobi War...in fact, why didn't he just teleport both Naruto and Killer Bee into somewhere where all the Akatsuki have been gathered, and then just beat them both up while they're still confused, since he knew both of their locations, instead of idiotically sending Taka and Kisame to do the job? Too convenient, EVERYTHING is too convenient...

 

*runs off to type a large-scale theory about it*

 

.........

 

 

But anyway, ignoring my musings, Kakashi didn't have the Mangekyou in Part 1. Or he did, but he wasn't aware of it and had no idea how to activate it.

[TheComposer]

However, it was active immediately after he killed Rin. I know it's an idea that is most likely far off the right one, but I just felt like seeing what you guys thought about it. Too many Rin may have been a spy comments, wanted to change things up. o-o

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

I wonder if any of you really fully understand the implications of Infinite Tsukuyomi. Right now, this is an argument over whether it is right or wrong based on morality.

 

However, I feel like pointing out 2 things.

1. Most likely, anyone placed under Infinite Tsukuyomi would not even know about it. They would live on in an eternal "bliss" wrought by Obito and Madara.

2. This would probably strip you of emotion and free will. Life would be content, but you would be little more than an automaton. There would be no such thing as war and anger and hatred, but by the same token, there would be no happiness, joy or love.

[Merci]

2. This would probably strip you of emotion and free will. Life would be content, but you would be little more than an automaton. There would be no such thing as war and anger and hatred, but by the same token, there would be no happiness, joy or love.

 

Really? Where was this stated? I thought that they lived their own perfect dream, not Tobi and Madara's stupid dreams.

 

But in any case, I do agree that there's something flawed about Infinite Tsukuyomi. While the illusion will probably last a lifetime, more if the person in question decided that they wanted immortality or a longer longevity, in reality they will be in a trance forever, and starve to death. Within less than a week or two, everything will have starved to death, and life on the world will be no more. Still...

 

1. Most likely, anyone placed under Infinite Tsukuyomi would not even know about it. They would live on in an eternal "bliss" wrought by Obito and Madara.

 

I think they would know about it. But in their dreamland, they would simply go on to continue fighting in the war which would end quickly, and no doubt the shinobi in question played a vital role in winning and then become famous or stuff. And then life will continue on as normal, perfectly...oh, but with all the dead comrades having returned to life, as well as everyone else dead they wanted to meet. And then la la la, perfect dream live it forever.

 

They will know about Infinite Tsukuyomi itself, but they will never realize that they themselves are inside it. Thus, my Naruto-Infinite-Tsukuyomi-Theory.

 

At least, that's what Obito and Madara imply.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

Merciful idiot, I don't know if you already read my previous post, but how do they intend to keep everyone alive? Will everyone die after three days of lack of water or will the genjutsu end after a day with everyone having had a lifetime of "happiness"?

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Merciful idiot, I don't know if you already read my previous post, but how do they intend to keep everyone alive? Will everyone die after three days of lack of water or will the genjutsu end after a day with everyone having had a lifetime of "happiness"?

I would think they wouldn't intend to. To many people to feed and such. Plus they would be in the dream too.

[Merci]

Merciful idiot, I don't know if you already read my previous post, but how do they intend to keep everyone alive? Will everyone die after three days of lack of water or will the genjutsu end after a day with everyone having had a lifetime of "happiness"?

Really? Where was this stated? I thought that they lived their own perfect dream, not Tobi and Madara's stupid dreams.

 

But in any case, I do agree that there's something flawed about Infinite Tsukuyomi. While the illusion will probably last a lifetime, more if the person in question decided that they wanted immortality or a longer longevity, in reality they will be in a trance forever, and starve to death. Within less than a week or two, everything will have starved to death, and life on the world will be no more. Still...

 

This reality is cruel ;-;

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

 

 

 

This reality is cruel ;-;

I am so sorry I skimmed over that

 

 

BUT AT LEAST WE FOUND ONE HOLE IN THE PLAN.

 

Which I doubt our heroes would argue since it's more of a logistical problem than a philosophical

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

I am so sorry I skimmed over that

 

 

BUT AT LEAST WE FOUND ONE HOLE IN THE PLAN.

 

Which I doubt our heroes would argue since it's more of a logistical problem than a philosophical

Well it's not really a hole since it's fairy likely that when their bodies do die the illusion will send them off with a peaceful death.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

 

Well it's not really a hole since it's fairy likely that when their bodies do die the illusion will send them off with a peaceful death.

 

Genjutsu is one thing

But murder is murder

[Legend Zero]

The reason why I joined in the argument, I figured it out. It was to convince you guys that Tobi and Madara are in the right >.>

 

But fine. Feel free to hold onto your half-assed silly ideals, which I bet originated from all kinds of manga where they support reckless behaviour and actions that are actually completely useless and delusional in this reality. But honestly. Not everyone can overcome their problems, a large percentage of people fail. To simplify what I said in the last page, it gives everyone a chance to succeed...and it's not gonna be stagnant either. Infinite Tsukuyomi is not bringing forth a stagnant heaven, but an everchanging perfect dream, fit to the person's wants. And nobody will ever notice.

 

In fact, it may have already succeeded long ago, and what we are witnessing now is Naruto's dream of defeating Tobi and saving the whole world. It isn't really such a stretch, is it? Think about it. Not only had he mastered the Sage Mode when even Jiraiya couldn't, and this was made harder sinec the Kyuubi was inside him, but he also conveniently mastered the Kyuubi within less than a day, Kushina or no Kushina. And now he's accomplishing all these feats and being called a hero by the whole shinobi world...isn't that what 'Naruto Uzumaki' would dream if he ever fell into Infinite Tsukuyomi? Just a mindscrewing suggestion.

 

Actually, I like that suggestion so much I'm gonna believe it. Sasuke suddenly seeing a path of redemption after already committing so many horrible deeds, and even coldly telling Gaara that he had closed his eyes long ago, and all that other stuff he did such as murdering samurai and mercilessly stabbing through Karin to get to Danzo...yeah, that's the kind of thing dream Naruto would want. Not only that, but he also got to meet both of his parents, who conveniently sealed themselves into his stomach along with the Kyuubi. And his speed apparently outmatches the Raikage. And he apparently earned the favor of the other Bijuu, who are conveniently not mindless once you allow yourselves to be eaten by them, thus bringing forth some imaginary flaw about Edo Tensei. And also, all of Konoha was conveniently revived by Rinne Tensei. I wonder how far it really stretches though...? No doubt his memories of the Kyuubi being stolen to complete the Juubi have been forgotten, and Killer Bee must've in truth fallen to Kisame... it had been too convenient for the Samehada to suddenly change sides....and it doesn't make sense for Tobi anyway to start a Fourth Shinobi War...in fact, why didn't he just teleport both Naruto and Killer Bee into somewhere where all the Akatsuki have been gathered, and then just beat them both up while they're still confused, since he knew both of their locations, instead of idiotically sending Taka and Kisame to do the job? Too convenient, EVERYTHING is too convenient...

 

*runs off to type a large-scale theory about it*

 

.........

 

 

But anyway, ignoring my musings, Kakashi didn't have the Mangekyou in Part 1. Or he did, but he wasn't aware of it and had no idea how to activate it.

Naruto is the same as Harry Potter. :o

 

It makes me laugh.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

He probably didn't have or had failed to measure the power of the Kyuubi. I know Tobi expected alot from him, and apparently still does, but even with just his eye he had a tough time against Konan so he must have estimated he would have a bit of trouble against the tailed beasts unless he obtained the Rinnengan from Nagato. That would explain why he sent Taka and Kisame: To estimate his hypothesis and measure some degree of the left over Tailed Beast's powers.

 

BTW...Who the hell are Minato's Team Mates? O_o I just realized that they've never been mentioned except for that flashback with Kushina.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Genjutsu is one thing

But murder is murder

Murder is the premeditated intent to kill someone. This isn't with the intent to kill but to bring peace. -Though yes death will happen-