Naruto

[Fusion X. Denver]

It's just a guess, but actually Remo pointed it out to me =P

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Rin as a Spy...so I did somewhat hit the mark when I said:

 

 

Anyways, I do think Rin could be Senju/Uzumaki, + add the fact that she could have gained/had information about The Rain/The Flame Village(s) and her information as well as body would be a key factor in deciding not just a battle but a tremendous piece of the war. This would indicate why Kakashi had to kill Rin: To protect and keep those secrets from being exploited by the enemy.

[Zextra]

Chapter 606 is out:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c606/

[Mr.WHAM]

It was so beautiful...all those plot holes got filled...sooo nicely.

Next is Rin, or maybe we will find out in he middle of battle from kakashi

[Kakashi Hatake]

I doubt that the reason behind Rin will be filled by Obito. We will likely have to wait until later for Kakashi to reveal it or something.

But Naruto keeps getting better now that he's filling the plot holes so nicely.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Black Zetsu = Will of Madara. Very interesting.

Obito "chooses" not to kill Kakashi for revenge because he still sees that Rin "could" be alive.

Madara teaches him the techniques of the "six paths",

Madara inplants the Rinnengan onto Nagato who is Senju

And the plan commences.

 

From there everything is "history" so to speak. Brief, simple, informative and thoughtful is what I have to say on this chapter.

[Kakashi Hatake]

Black Zetsu = Will of Madara. Very interesting.

Obito "chooses" not to kill Kakashi for revenge because he still sees that Rin "could" be alive.

Madara teaches him the techniques of the "six paths",

Madara inplants the Rinnengan onto Nagato who is Senju

And the plan commences.

 

From there everything is "history" so to speak. Brief, simple, informative and thoughtful is what I have to say on this chapter.

Obito didn't spare Kakashi because Rin "could" be alive. He knows that Rin is dead. He likely chose not to kill Kakashi because Kakashi was his comrade. I mean, Obito wanted this Dream World plan to come to fruition so that he could live peacfully together with Rin and Kakashi. He even stated that he wanted kakashi there too.

[·Toot]

Obito didn't spare Kakashi because Rin "could" be alive. He knows that Rin is dead. He likely chose not to kill Kakashi because Kakashi was his comrade. I mean, Obito wanted this Dream World plan to come to fruition so that he could live peacefully together with Rin and Kakashi. He even stated that he wanted kakashi there too.

And if it worked, I wonder how they would live in peace. Lol how would they feel towards the person who turned the world into a living hell :P.

 

I was always suspicious about that Black Zetsu. It was weird to me how it never multiplied while he White Zetsu did. I guess it all makes sense now.

I guess when Naruto kills Sasuke, this is all going to happen again. lol

[Kakashi Hatake]

I guess when Naruto kills Sasuke, this is all going to happen again. lol

Huh? What do you mean?

[Phantom Roxas]

Didn't expect that to be Black Zetsu's origin. Oh well, I guess it makes sense.

 

As I thought, Nagato got the Rinnegan without realizing it.

 

At least it seems like this flashback is moving forward, although so far we've only got an explanation for why Obito wants the dream world, but not why he's been so brutal about accomplishing that goal.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Obito didn't spare Kakashi because Rin "could" be alive. He knows that Rin is dead. He likely chose not to kill Kakashi because Kakashi was his comrade. I mean, Obito wanted this Dream World plan to come to fruition so that he could live peacfully together with Rin and Kakashi. He even stated that he wanted kakashi there too.

 

There's a thing called "Denial", which Obitobi and Madara both wreak of. Still, it's because of that Denial towards true reality that has driven them to do what they do. In the most simplest of sense, they both sound butt hurt to an unfathomable level. Then again...Obito lost the one he loved most and Madara was ignored by his entire clan.

[Kakashi Hatake]

There's a thing called "Denial", which Obitobi and Madara both wreak of. Still, it's because of that Denial towards true reality that has driven them to do what they do. In the most simplest of sense, they both sound butt hurt to an unfathomable level. Then again...Obito lost the one he loved most and Madara was ignored by his entire clan.

If you had the power to change the world in any way you wanted, wouldn't you take it? I mean, great trageties have heppened in both of their lives, so of course they're "butt hurt", and they have the chance to live in a world where it's like it never happened. It's like saying a man who lost his wife is butt-hurt at the world because he wants her back. Not only is it insensitive, it's rude. :I

[Fusion X. Denver]

[spoiler=Knew it.]

Knew Nagato had Madara's Rinnegan.

And knew that Rinnegan could only be awakened with Uchiha/Senju DNA (when we were led to believe Sharingan just evolved into Rinnegan way back when).

Although, I'm bothered that Madara "gave them to him when they were still children, in a way they wouldn't notice." How do you not notice that?

And I can definitely accept Black Zetsu being Madara's will, it's just...how do you implant your will into things?

And if the Gedo Mazo statue is the empty shell of the Ten Tails, does that mean that's pretty much what it looks like with a giant Sharinnegan in its face?

If so, I was hoping for a cooler design...

As for Rin...I was kinda hoping there'd be more to Obito's agenda then it all being just for Rin, but it's not like it doesn't work. I think it'd be easier to go with if we knew more about Rin as a person, but some could argue who she was doesn't matter or affect anything.

 

Overall, mixed feelings on some things, but I'm also very glad that all these plot holes people were griping about are being filled nicely with every coming chapter.

 

[Kakashi Hatake]

[spoiler=Knew it.]

Knew Nagato had Madara's Rinnegan.

And knew that Rinnegan could only be awakened with Uchiha/Senju DNA (when we were led to believe Sharingan just evolved into Rinnegan way back when).

Although, I'm bothered that Madara "gave them to him when they were still children, in a way they wouldn't notice." How do you not notice that?

And I can definitely accept Black Zetsu being Madara's will, it's just...how do you implant your will into things?

And if the Gedo Mazo statue is the empty shell of the Ten Tails, does that mean that's pretty much what it looks like with a giant Sharinnegan in its face?

If so, I was hoping for a cooler design...

As for Rin...I was kinda hoping there'd be more to Obito's agenda then it all being just for Rin, but it's not like it doesn't work. I think it'd be easier to go with if we knew more about Rin as a person, but some could argue who she was doesn't matter or affect anything.

 

Overall, mixed feelings on some things, but I'm also very glad that all these plot holes people were griping about are being filled nicely with every coming chapter.

 

I don't think that Obito is doing all of this just for Rin but she was a largely contributing factor in his decisions.

[Tentacruel]

So basically, Black Zetsu was Madara the whole time.

 

 

Woeh

[Strider Tigerwolf]

It is insensitive and rude. :I

 

"fixed". It's also my point of view on the matter. To deny something that's happened in reality is just veering away from the problem. Obito and Madara both are now veering from the problem in an extremist fashion because what they wanted to happen didn't. Kakashi lost Rin and he didn't veer from the problem. He accepts (currently) that the past was the past and he had to do what he had to do for the reality he is living in. He never ran from it, but he does regret it. What is he doing right now? He's "living" in the reality, and surpricingly Naruto is too since Obito and Madara are both trying to force them into an alternate existance where truth and reality are irrelevant. What Obito should've done is accept that because in his eyes, "Rin is dead on this world" and he can't cope with that, so running into a world where everything is sunshine and happiness is provided 100% of the time is his form of escaping what inevitably happened. Reality is what it is: Reality. And no matter where you are, no matter where you go, no matter where you try to escape into, you have to deal with it, and Obito is not "dealing" with it. He's desperately trying to make sure his and Madara's escape plan succeeds.

 

Afterall, "Dying is easy. It's living that's hard." And from the looks of it, Madara and Obito don't want to live, they want to "dream".

[Kakashi Hatake]

 

 

"fixed". It's also my point of view on the matter. To deny something that's happened in reality is just veering away from the problem. Obito and Madara both are now veering from the problem in an extremist fashion because what they wanted to happen didn't. Kakashi lost Rin and he didn't veer from the problem. He accepts (currently) that the past was the past and he had to do what he had to do for the reality. He never ran from it, but he does regret it. What is he doing right now? He's "living" in the reality, and surpricingly Naruto is too since Obito and Madara are both trying to force them into an alternate existance where truth and reality are irrelevant. What Obito should've done is accept that because in his eyes, "Rin is dead on this world" and he can't cope with that, so running into a world where everything is sunshine and happiness is provided 100% of the time. Reality is what it is: Reality. And no matter where you are, no matter where you go, no matter where you try to escape into, you have to deal with it.

 

Afterall, "Dying is easy. It's living that's hard."

That's his entire point. He isn't denying anything, he's trying to make his view of "peace" come true like Pain. He wants to make a world where everyone can live in happiness so that nobody ever has to suffer like he does. He's not denying the world, he's simply trying to make it better.

 

Whoever wrote "Dying is easy, it's living that's hard." obviously didn't know what he was talking about because he had never died before.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Taking a trip from reality to a permanent dream state is not denying reality?

 

Also, it's in our Human Nature to strike about conflict. Ever heard that without Good there can be no Evil and vice versa? Without conflict we can't establish "right" from "wrong", "good" from "bad", etc, etc. There is no order, no balance. Chaos is required for existence in fact existence tends to encourage chaotic behavior. Pain, Madara, Obito are examples of said "chaos", the only problem is that if Madara and Obito actually manage to achieve their goal, the "conscious" of humanity and their interaction with the world will be entirely meaningless. It's an illusion, a dream. Can one really replace that with reality? I'm taking a stand on saying no and Obito is being real pushy on saying "I can live with Rin in my dreams! I can do anything in my dreams! F*** reality! Reality took away the one most precious to me! F*** it all! and no one will stand in my way!" TBH, I wouldn't have minded if Obito committed suicide or something, I also wouldn't have minded if he decided to go to that dream land by himself along with Madara. What I do mind and why I see Obito as one seriously deranged lunatic that deserves no pity is the fact that he is trying to drag everyone with him. Don't the people have a say in it too? Apparently in his mind, no. But the point is this: Reality requires both good and bad. Obito just wants good, nothing bad. I'd like to get hurt once in a while, especially in an existence where things can take a turn for the worst. Do I enjoy it? No. Do I accept it? Yes. Will I do something about is? Yes, but not by denying it.

[·Toot]

Huh? What do you mean?

What? About Naruto killing Sasuke?

[Kakashi Hatake]

Taking a trip from reality to a permanent dream state is not denying reality?

 

Also, it's in our Human Nature to strike about conflict. Ever heard that without Good there can be no Evil and vice versa? Without conflict we can't establish "right" from "wrong", "good" from "bad", etc, etc. There is no order, no balance. Chaos is required for existence in fact existence tends to encourage chaotic behavior. Pain, Madara, Obito are examples of said "chaos", the only problem is that if Madara and Obito actually manage to achieve their goal, the "conscious" of humanity and their interaction with the world will be entirely meaningless. It's an illusion, a dream. Can one really replace that with reality? I'm taking a stand on saying no and Obito is being real pushy on saying "I can live with Rin in my dreams! I can do anything in my dreams! F*** reality! Reality took away the one most precious to me! F*** it all! and no one will stand in my way!" TBH, I wouldn't have minded if Obito committed suicide or something, I also wouldn't have minded if he decided to go to that dream land by himself along with Madara. What I do mind and why I see Obito as one seriously deranged lunatic that deserves no pity is the fact that he is trying to drag everyone with him. Don't the people have a say in it too? Apparently in his mind, no. But the point is this: Reality requires both good and bad. Obito just wants good, nothing bad. I'd like to get hurt once in a while, especially in an existence where things can take a turn for the worst. Do I enjoy it? No. Do I accept it? Yes. Will I do something about is? Yes, but not by denying it.

Well, it's called a "war" for a reason. There's those who believe that Obito is right and those who don't. One side isn't wrong, but both sides are right.

 

What? About Naruto killing Sasuke?

Yeah, I'd like to hear why you assume Sasuke will be killed.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Well, it's called a "war" for a reason. There's those who believe that Obito is right and those who don't. One side isn't wrong, but both sides are right.

 

I would have agreed with you...except the ones who started the war are "Madara Uchiha", "Obito Uchiha" and remotely "Akatsuki" and it's members. But at it's core, it was just 2 very powerful ninjas...with a mass produced clone army called Zetsus, So who is in the right again?

[Fusion X. Denver]

Well, it's called a "war" for a reason. There's those who believe that Obito is right and those who don't. One side isn't wrong, but both sides are right from their perspective.

 

Fixed since someone could apply that logic to World War 2 and we all know that was wrong.

[Kakashi Hatake]

I would have agreed with you...except the ones who started the war are "Madara Uchiha", "Obito Uchiha" and remotely "Akatsuki" and it's members. But at it's core, it was just 2 very powerful ninjas...with a mass produced clone army called Zetsus, So who is in the right again?

My point again. From your perspective, Obito is the bad-guy. From his, he's not. War.

 

Fixed since someone could apply that logic to World War 2 and we all know that was wrong.

Thanks. I shoulda remembered to add that part.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

The thing is Obito is subjecting "EVERYONE" for "HIS" pain.

 

The shinobi alliance are trying to stop "HIM"....

 

actually...this is turning to a Debate, so thread is up.

 

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/291290-existance/

[·Toot]

Well, it's called a "war" for a reason. There's those who believe that Obito is right and those who don't. One side isn't wrong, but both sides are right.

Yeah, I'd like to hear why you assume Sasuke will be killed.

it was actually a joke lol.