Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Don't forget him regenerating his arm in Zetsu cells right after the Danzo thing. A lot of people have been griping about the age thing with Minato; I guess it makes sense that he just had a growth spurt like Kakashi. The real question is how he got so strong in that timeframe. The Zetsu cells might be what gave him the power. Also, one has to ask where he got the cells. It could have been Madara or Orochimaru. I'd say Madara because he said he knew Tobi. And hey, he would have been around the same age as Naruto or Sasuke are currently, who got that strong in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Think about it for a bit guys, Obito/Tobi isn't that strong. If I can quote Kakashi for a sec, "It's ONE jutsu!". That's it. That is his so called "strength" that people find unfathomable for him to get in a couple years (which might have just come with his Mangekyou). The only argument that I can even take seriously is the Nagato-Rinnegan one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Think about it for a bit guys, Obito/Tobi isn't that strong. If I can quote Kakashi for a sec, "It's ONE jutsu!". That's it. That is his so called "strength" that people find unfathomable for him to get in a couple years (which might have just come with his Mangekyou). The only argument that I can even take seriously is the Nagaoto-Rinnegan one. Madara gave him that. He's the only one to ever achieve it. Either that or Obito somehow achieved 88-mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Think about it for a bit guys, Obito/Tobi isn't that strong. If I can quote Kakashi for a sec, "It's ONE jutsu!". That's it. That is his so called "strength" that people find unfathomable for him to get in a couple years (which might have just come with his Mangekyou). The only argument that I can even take seriously is the Nagato-Rinnegan one. I guess you make a good point. It just seems hard for me to get past the idea that one jutsu can put a guy on the 4th Hokage's level.You'd think Minato would sense it was his former student, or maybe the Zetsu cells really muddle that. Orochimaru will probably provide the explanation for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I still don't get what everyone's problem is. Stuff like why isn't he dead, how does he still have his eye, why is he evil when he died for his friends. I'm sure all of that will be explained but I worry about how could that explanation will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Think about it for a bit guys, Obito/Tobi isn't that strong. If I can quote Kakashi for a sec, "It's ONE jutsu!". That's it. That is his so called "strength" that people find unfathomable for him to get in a couple years (which might have just come with his Mangekyou).The only argument that I can even take seriously is the Nagato-Rinnegan one.Problem with him not being that strong- He's stated repeatedly he had a different level of power but lost most of it. He's in a weakened state now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Problem with him not being that strong- He's stated repeatedly he had a different level of power but lost most of it. He's in a weakened state now.That was likely a lie to work under the cover of Madara's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I doubt that Tobito could beat Naruto 1on1. I don't think that he has that kind of power to begin with. He really seemed to be a lot weaker once Kakashi figured out his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Stuff like why isn't he dead, how does he still have his eye, why is he evil when he died for his friends. I'm sure all of that will be explained but I worry about how could that explanation will be. The first two can be explained by sheer anime-logic. You've seen One Piece, you know how it is. The last one, we'll just have to wait for Kishi to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 The first two can be explained by sheer anime-logic. You've seen One Piece, you know how it is. The last one, we'll just have to wait for Kishi to explain it.The only time OP pulled something like that is with Pell. Most other times characters have taken extreme beatings (something common in battle manga) but never did they go so far as to have someone human live after having been crushed by a ton of rocks. Don't think lost limbs ever come back in OP, and even if they did they likely had an in-universe reason why. Toriko did this a while back. Sure Naruto could use the whole magical cells of the 1st but that would be stupid. Still, I know in the end we really do need to wait on Kishi and hope he gives a good explination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Guys, I've got it. Read this entire post please.Read chapter 503. In it, Tobi bleeds. There's white and red blood seeping out of his sleeve. This points to him being rebuilt with Zetsu cells. Zetsu very well could have something to do with Senju DNA, which would explain why he could control the 9-Tails. As for his height, Kakashi and Might Guy were shown being quite tall during that flashback.What makes it obvious he's Obito is the fact that he knew Minato, and how to infiltrate the Leaf, as well as how to force Minato to use his Flying Thunder God technique. Madara's brother would have no idea about Minato's powers.It's Obito. It's obvious. It always was. Seriously, I don't get how people thought Tobi was as old as people thought he was when Kakashi and Gai were shown to be old enough to have it make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Seriously, I don't get how people thought Tobi was as old as people thought he was when Kakashi and Gai were shown to be old enough to have it make sense.Everyone's saying that now that it's shown that it's Obito. By the way, guys, if this ends up being a person controlling Obito, we should call him Tobito instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 The only time OP pulled something like that is with Pell. Most other times characters have taken extreme beatings (something common in battle manga) but never did they go so far as to have someone human live after having been crushed by a ton of rocks. Don't think lost limbs ever come back in OP, and even if they did they likely had an in-universe reason why. Toriko did this a while back. Sure Naruto could use the whole magical cells of the 1st but that would be stupid. Ah, but it was never explicitly shown that his eye was crushed. And IMO, being rebuilt by Zetsu cells wouldn't be that stupid. Just look what Orochimaru can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Ah, but it was never explicitly shown that his eye was crushed. And IMO, being rebuilt by Zetsu cells wouldn't be that stupid. Just look what Orochimaru can do. That looks crushed. Also, I was under the impression that Tobito (I love how I saw that as I was writing it) made Zetsu. And again, it wouldn't be Zetsu's cells, rather the the 1st hokage. Granted it seems like that is what White Zetsu is, so maybe the black half is special? If we was rebuilt that also opens up questions like why Obito? If he was brought back who did and what was their motives? How could they do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I'm getting the feeling that Black Zetsu is actually somehow directly related to the Senju Clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 That looks crushed. Also, I was under the impression that Tobito (I love how I saw that as I was writing it) made Zetsu. I was messing around with the idea that Orochimaru made Zetsu and his cells helped him develop his snake regeneration techniques, but not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Sorry for interrupting, but found a random image that could fit here very well: It's more of a joke [/obviously]I'll just leave it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Black Zetsu was white. Turned black to reattach himself into Obito, regenerating his crushed half. This causes a chakra mix which muddles Obito's original chakra which is why Minato couldn't notice it was Obito. And in reality...it ISN'T Obito himself but just his body! The White Zetsu is a creation from Izuna who embedded his own thoughts/ideals into it so he dies, and then acts as Zetsu in the backgrounds. Once he finds Obito's half body and everything, he "possesses" it and all of Obito's memories become his own, which is why he was able to fare against Minato. The reason he stated himself as "Madara" was for 2 things: 1.) Provide a state of fear. 2.) Bypass the fact that he's in fact a "reincarnated" form of his late brother, but with far less power (because he no longer had his own Mangyeko. However, during the span that Kakashi/Everyone else was growing up, "Black Zetsu Half Obito Mixed Izuna" unlocked Obito's Mangyeko, Kamui and developed began to use/create that realm we keep seeing him being "teleported" into. This explains why he "bleed white/red blood", why he has the intel from long before Obito's time, why he has a grasp of how Konoha worked and how to face Minato to a certain extent, why he doesn't have as much power as he used to, and why he is able to control the tailed beasts to a certain degree. I bet I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [spoiler=I get what went wrong] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Tobi being Teuchi has been a popular theory for a while, and I love how silly it is. Black Zetsu has been heavily implied to be the main part of Zetsu, especially since it was White Zetsu that got cloned, and I think Black Zetsu was typically the one who had to explain things to White Zetsu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 That looks crushed. Also, I was under the impression that Tobito (I love how I saw that as I was writing it) made Zetsu. And again, it wouldn't be Zetsu's cells, rather the the 1st hokage. Granted it seems like that is what White Zetsu is, so maybe the black half is special? If we was rebuilt that also opens up questions like why Obito? If he was brought back who did and what was their motives? How could they do it? His head was crushed, the eye is well inside the skull. I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. Although the bolder would have killed him, his eye very well could be in tact. The rest of the questions, well, just wait for Kishi to explain it instead of calling BS. [spoiler=I get what went wrong] And Naruto will say, "Hey bro, I was friend-zoned too," and use his Jesus no Jutsu to bring Obito back to the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 His head was crushed, the eye is well inside the skull. I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. Although the bolder would have killed him, his eye very well could be in tact. The rest of the questions, well, just wait for Kishi to explain it instead of calling BS.If the right side of his head was crushed I think everything on that part of his brain was broken to pieces too. That would include his skull and eye. Again, I'm not calling BS. I'm worried when those questions get answered they won't be done well and it will be something about magical cells of the 1st or Orochimaru. If its something like what Chance Furlong said, than I'd be a lot happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Honestly, there's no way Orochimaru isn't involved with Tobi in some shape or form. He was able to foresee many of Tobi's actions and he's taking Sasuke to learn the whole truth behind everything that's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 But this is a show about magical ninjas. Can you really suspend your belief for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 But this is a show about magical ninjas. Can you really suspend your belief for this?Suspension of disbelief would let me beleive that people can have special powers or that a damaged body can be fixed. It doesn't let me beleive that the eye could survive being crushed since even though the characters have magical powers they are still are susceptible to things that can damage/kill normal people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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