Naruto

[Fusion X. Denver]

The others maintained their Bijuu form, but considering how Tobi is control of them, chances are he'll use it to force B to revert.

 

You know, I wonder if this is how Deidara got his arm back. Tobi went into Kamui to get it so Kakuzu could stitch it back on.

 

Didn't they just get sucked back into the Gedo Mazo statue?

>can't remember

 

And actually, Kakashi only vanquished Deidara's elbow, the arm just fell to the ground which Tobi found with Zetsu before Deidara reappeared.

[·Toot]

The mask broke! :o

 

I got 2000 points on Izuna

[Monkey]

His Kamui is different than Kakashi's, at that, and it seems to have 2.5 variations.

 

1. The general dodge

2. An absorption. From what we saw with those 2 ROOTs, the Aburame and Yamanaka, we seem to need near-physical contact to suck something in, with him. At that, think about how BIG B and Gyuki are, and how much chakra it would take to pull something huge in with him, unless he's gonna make him force-revert before doing so which, again, would cost a good deal of Chakra. The "teleportation" use seems to be the same as this.

 

Tobi's eye is to Tsukuyomi as Kakashi's eye is to Amatetasu. Obito could use both eyes the same way Itachi could use both, each eye has its own technique. So yeah, there's variations.

 

And the way I see it, Obito's eyes are much more powerful than Itachi's. Kamui can dodge Amaterasu and send it away and just don't look Itachi in the eye.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Tobi's eye is to Tsukuyomi as Kakashi's eye is to Amatetasu. Obito could use both eyes the same way Itachi could use both, each eye has its own technique. So yeah, there's variations.

I see why you say this, but it isn't quite the same. Actually, Space-Time Migration is the reverse of Kamui. Kamui sends other objects into the different dimension. Space-Time Migration sends the user (and some things in close proximity) into the different dimension. Also, Space-Time Migration doesn't seem anywhere near as draining as Kamui, and even Kamui isn't near as draining anymore apparently. However, they don't seem to suffer from loss of vision using these techniques...this kind of leads me to think that their Mangekyo Sharingan could actually be an Eternal Mangekyo. Whether that's possible or not is anyone's guess, But it would help to explain even more why Kakashi can use Kamui and not say Amaterasu.

 

However, it just dawned on me...why doesn't Tobi use any of the Rinnegan's abilities? Even if they do have countermeasures, Tobi could still have probably avoided that shot to the face with Preta Path.

[Kakashi Hatake]

What are we even discussing?

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

What are we even discussing?

A little bit of everything. How eye techniques work, who Tobi is, why Gyuki hasn't been captured yet, etc.

 

At least that's how I see it.

[Blake]

... wait a second, Wynn just reminded me.

 

Tobi's not an Uchiha, if my theory is correct.

It is, hence my thoughts being that it has to do with it not being HIS eye. The transplant might have something to do with the lack of blindness. I mean, Danzo wasn't blind either, but he could only use his in a seriously long down time.

 

If this is the case, it would explain why Kakashi has Mangekyou without blindness, and could also explain why Tobi isn't going blind. If he was an Uchiha, he'd definitely go blind, or so it seems.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[spoiler=Only open if you seriously want to know who Tobi has to be]

 

Yeah, this was kind of asked for at this point.

 

[Kakashi Hatake]

Unless he has the eternal mangekyou sharingan.

 

I don't know why anyone ruling Obitio out of being Tobi because it's "impossible" or something. Hasn;t the Naruto series proven that "impossible" bullsh*t happens all of the time in that series?

[Blake]

Unless he has the eternal mangekyou sharingan.

I don't know why anyone ruling Obitio out of being Tobi because it's "impossible" or something. Hasn;t the Naruto series proven that "impossible" bullsh*t happens all of the time in that series?

... Have you been paying attention? Look at all the Mangekyous, Eternal included. There's a pattern.

 

Eternal Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eyes look different than Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eyes. They take on features of both eyes. Tobi has a plain Mangekyou, just like Kakashi It's not eternal.

 

Obito theory creates plotholes.

 

Tobi is way too old to be Obito. Madara has acknowledged both Tobi and his Chakra Signature, so it has to be someone Madara knows. Time travel just covers the problem and makes even more stupid happen.

 

It could be a body jumper, but in that case, Orochimaru just got completely backhanded as a character.

 

It's not completely a matter of what will happen, just what should. Tobi = Obito is a seriously slippery slope.

[Kakashi Hatake]

... Have you been paying attention? Look at all the Mangekyous, Eternal included. There's a pattern.

 

Eternal Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eyes look different than Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eyes. They take on features of both eyes. Tobi has a plain Mangekyou, just like Kakashi It's not eternal.

 

Obito theory creates plotholes.

 

Tobi is way too old to be Obito. Madara has acknowledged both Tobi and his Chakra Signature, so it has to be someone Madara knows. Time travel just covers the problem and makes even more stupid happen.

 

It could be a body jumper, but in that case, Orochimaru just got completely backhanded as a character.

 

It's not completely a matter of what will happen, just what should. Tobi = Obito is a seriously slippery slope.

I have no idea what "Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eyes" means.

[Blake]

I have no idea what "Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eyes" means.

The Mangekyō Sharingan (万華鏡写輪眼; Literally meaning "Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye") is an advanced form of the Sharingan that has only been activated by a handful of Uchiha. It was also awakened by Kakashi Hatake and Tobi — two non-Uchiha through unknown means.

 

Quoted from the wiki. Though, what I find interesting is that... they outright state Tobi isn't an Uchiha.

[Kakashi Hatake]

The Mangekyō Sharingan (万華鏡写輪眼; Literally meaning "Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye") is an advanced form of the Sharingan that has only been activated by a handful of Uchiha. It was also awakened by Kakashi Hatake and Tobi — two non-Uchiha through unknown means.

 

Quoted from the wiki. Though, what I find interesting is that... they outright state Tobi isn't an Uchiha.

Why not just say "Mangekyo Sharingan"? It's quicker and more widely understood.

[Blake]

Why not just say "Mangekyo Sharingan"? It's quicker and more widely understood.

It's a joke. Given the context you really should've been able to figure it out, and if not, idk how you can't use context clues.

 

Also,

[spoiler=frsrs Spoiler for Movie 6]

Apparently, in Road to Ninja, Tobi possesses Naruto's alternate world version, Memma... In a movie written by Kishi himself...So chances are... given his look without mask partially... He's possessing Obito... FOL.

 

 

[Kakashi Hatake]

It's a joke. Given the context you really should've been able to figure it out, and if not, idk how you can't use context clues.

 

Also,

[spoiler=frsrs Spoiler for Movie 6]

Apparently, in Road to Ninja, Tobi possesses Naruto's alternate world version, Memma... In a movie written by Kishi himself...So chances are... given his look without mask partially... He's possessing Obito... FOL.

 

 

Didn't seem like a joke to me. There was no context pointing to the fact that it was.

 

[spoiler=reply to movie 6 thing]

CAN'T. F*CKIN'. WAIT.

 

Seriously though, I'm hoping Tobi is possesing Obito.

 

 

[Monkey]

 

I see why you say this, but it isn't quite the same. Actually, Space-Time Migration is the reverse of Kamui. Kamui sends other objects into the different dimension. Space-Time Migration sends the user (and some things in close proximity) into the different dimension. Also, Space-Time Migration doesn't seem anywhere near as draining as Kamui, and even Kamui isn't near as draining anymore apparently. However, they don't seem to suffer from loss of vision using these techniques...this kind of leads me to think that their Mangekyo Sharingan could actually be an Eternal Mangekyo. Whether that's possible or not is anyone's guess, But it would help to explain even more why Kakashi can use Kamui and not say Amaterasu.

 

Well each eye has their own technique, them being reverses doesn't really matter. The principal is still the same. Each eye has its own technique. Blindness does not occur because Kakashi's eye is a transplant. Tobi may not go blind because his is a transplant as well (or a regenerated eye). The eyes are definitely not EMS, though.

 

I was under the assumption that not every Uchiha could use Amaterasu.

 

However, it just dawned on me...why doesn't Tobi use any of the Rinnegan's abilities? Even if they do have countermeasures, Tobi could still have probably avoided that shot to the face with Preta Path.

 

Maybe he doesn't want to use the Rinnegan yet. OR IF HE HAPPENS TO USE THE RINNEGAN AND SHARINGAN AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WILL BE A CONFLICTION AND THE EYES WILL IMPLOOOODEEE!!

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

and just don't look Itachi in the eye.

or. you know, just avoid fight Itachi at all seeing as he is master of Genjutsu and counter genjutsu and Izanami (do you think he knows Izanagi as well?)

 

BTW, was it ever stated where Itachi learned Izanami?

 

And as for Wynn's question (about Tobi's Rinnigan), I think He simply doesn't have the chakra to be fighting 2 bijuu and two of Konoha's best Jonin, one of which has the same abilities as himself

 

 

Also,

[spoiler=frsrs Spoiler for Movie 6]

Apparently, in Road to Ninja, Tobi possesses Naruto's alternate world version, Memma... In a movie written by Kishi himself...So chances are... given his look without mask partially... He's possessing Obito... FOL.

 

 

So just because Kishi helped write it it automatically means he intended for it to be canon?

I mean, I can understand some element of the movie doing things that most non-canon movies can do, but ultimately, it feels kind of wrong to call a movie canon (even for Eden of the East movies)

 

excuse my crazy run-on sentence

 

I was under the assumption that not every Uchiha could use Amaterasu.

Itachi is clearly says that there were even those who killed friends and family in order to awaken the Mangekyo but never could.

 

Kishimoto just kind of forgot that not every Uchiha has to have Mangekyo to be badass

 

So in a way, that can be parallel to how Toriyama treated Saiyans in DBZ (or at least had to due to some executive meddling)

[Blake]

Movie is implied to be canon, as it is a test of Tobi's final plan the night before the war started. It is not outright canon, though.

 

And now your head is up your ass.

 

The reason those people couldn't unlock Mangekyou was because they did it for power. There was no Trauma from killing for those who failed. Mangekyou is awakened by POWERFUL trauma. Of course if you heartlessly kill it won't happen.

 

And, no, not every Uchiha has Amaterasu, but a good deal of th fan base just assumed they did. For some reason, Itachi's Mangekyou is thought of as the "Generic" Mangekyou.

[Legend Zero]

Also,

[spoiler=frsrs Spoiler for Movie 6]

Apparently, in Road to Ninja, Tobi possesses Naruto's alternate world version, Memma... In a movie written by Kishi himself...So chances are... given his look without mask partially... He's possessing Obito... FOL.

 

 

[spoiler ITS SO OBVIOUS]

Tobi is....

 

[Blake]

[spoiler ITS SO OBVIOUS]

Tobi is....

 

Jacob, I love you

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

The reason those people couldn't unlock Mangekyou was because they did it for power. There was no Trauma from killing for those who failed. Mangekyou is awakened by POWERFUL trauma. Of course if you heartlessly kill it won't happen.

But then doesn't that apply to other family members as well? (and I don't mean Eternal but just gaining the Mangekyo itself)

 

And it seemed to me that Madara and Izuna were implied pretty ruthless (unless that's just Itachi's bias to prevent Sasuke from going to "Madara")

[Blake]

But then doesn't that apply to other family members as well? (and I don't mean Eternal but just gaining the Mangekyo itself)

And it seemed to me that Madara and Izuna were implied pretty ruthless (unless that's just Itachi's bias to prevent Sasuke from going to "Madara")

But it wasn't stated the family didn't get them, just the people that killed in the name of obtaining.

 

Izuna and Madara had a strong bond, or so it's implied. They weren't heartless about it, to my knowledge.

[·Toot]

I'm confused now... If the Sharingan has 2 techniques (one in each eye), what are Sasuke's techniques?

I know the Amaterasu... What's the other? Please don't say Tsukyomi...

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

But it wasn't stated the family didn't get them, just the people that killed in the name of obtaining.

No, I meant did those who did the killing need to have to kill a friend? or would simply killing a family member let them skip straight to eternal? Does killing a beloved mentor also apply? And does viewing the trauma count? Did Itachi a mega boost from having to kill the majority of the clan?

 

But it wasn't stated the family didn't get them, just the people that killed in the name of obtaining.

No, I meant did those who did the killing need to have to kill a friend? or would simply killing a family member let them skip straight to eternal? Does killing a beloved mentor also apply? And does viewing the trauma count? Did Itachi a mega boost from having to kill the majority of the clan?

[Blake]

No, I meant did those who did the killing need to have to kill a friend? or would simply killing a family member let them skip straight to eternal? Does killing a beloved mentor also apply? And does viewing the trauma count? Did Itachi a mega boost from having to kill the majority of the clan?

... They had to suffer Trauma of loss. Kakashi's was awakened, presumably, because of the thought of being a failure once more and losing his team. Same thing goes for anyone else. Sasuke's trauma was losing his brother, presumably because he didn't have Sharingan when the massacre happened.

 

EMS is obtained by the transplant of another pair of eyes with EMS.