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Wait, remember how many people Kabuto revived? Madara could possibly use all the people Kabuto revived (including Kisame if Kabuto revives him too) as new Path of Pain. Although, he might replace Nagato with someone else as a Path of Pain.

 

Kabuto is a traitor to the Akatsuki. Almost as obvious as Gin.

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Madara's plan is to become the host for the ten tailed demon, right? Isn't the demon's body in, like, the moon? How's he gonna get up there? Astrotobi? And if he brings the demon's body to him, well, wouldn't that send the earth's . . . everything out of wack!? Also, madara now looks like he's doing a bad hollowfied tosen cosplay! XD

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Madara's plan is to become the host for the ten tailed demon, right? Isn't the demon's body in, like, the moon? How's he gonna get up there? Astrotobi? And if he brings the demon's body to him, well, wouldn't that send the earth's . . . everything out of wack!? Also, madara now looks like he's doing a bad hollowfied tosen cosplay! XD

 

Lol, those physics don't apply in Naruto. ;)

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I think Madara wanted the Rinnegan because

1. Supposedly they used to belong to him, and since Nagato betrayed him and died, he now wants them back as now he has no pawn to utilize them.

2. Possibly to help against whatever is in the sixth coffin...

As for the Juubi, I don't think he needs the body, all he has to do is fuse the chakra of the 9 bijuu and he should be able to use its power.

I can totally see an awesome scene with the Juubi breaking out of the moon though, if say Madara fuses the chakra then somehow sends it to the moon to revive the Juubi and have it break out.

Which at that point he would use the powers of the six paths and make himself the new jincuriki.

So that and also being able to spam Izanagi is why he'd get the Rinnegan.

The one thing I'm curious about though...what color is his new mask?

Red?

Purple?

Orange?

GAH I wish it was coming out today and not next week :I

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I lol'ed at Mr. WHAM's sig. Fear trembles at your presence, you're the Harbinger of Ends, and yet you let Ash live? Of all people? What has he ever done to deserve existence after the End? Huh? What has he ever done to deserve existence after the End?

 

He would need all six paths to control the Juuibi, probably, but he only has three now.

 

We all know the Senju and the Uchiha are descendants of the Sage of the Six Paths, and that the Uzumaki are distantly related to the Senju. The Hyuuga probably comes into this somehow, and there's probably another clan distantly related to the Uchiha, and there's maybe one other clan which is err...lost?

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I lol'ed at Mr. WHAM's sig. Fear trembles at your presence, you're the Harbinger of Ends, and yet you let Ash live? Of all people? What has he ever done to deserve existence after the End? Huh? What has he ever done to deserve existence after the End?

 

He would need all six paths to control the Juuibi, probably, but he only has three now.

 

We all know the Senju and the Uchiha are descendants of the Sage of the Six Paths, and that the Uzumaki are distantly related to the Senju. The Hyuuga probably comes into this somehow, and there's probably another clan distantly related to the Uchiha, and there's maybe one other clan which is err...lost?

 

I recall that the Hyuuga made a reference to the Sharingan being a mutation. What if the reverse is true in this case? What if the Hyuuga clan is distantly related to the Uchiha clan? That would explain a lot.

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As I've said before, Kakashi said very early on during the Chunin Exams that the Sharingan was rumored to be a mutation of a Byakugan. Considering how the Sage's elder son inherited the "eyes" of the Sage, I believe he had three children, just like how the younger son had three children. For the elder son, one child was the first Uchiha, and another child was the first Hyuga. The younger son was the father of the first Senju and the first Uzumaki. I don't know who the other two children are, though I do suspect the Sarutobi descended from the younger son.

 

I'm rather suspicious of the Uzumaki's though. There's a theory that they actually descended from both the Uchiha and the Senju, though I believe they only descended from the younger son because they had a closer relationship with the Senju. The Rinnegan may actually be in a completely different league from the other two eye Kekkei Genkai, and so there's possibly a fourth eye technique, which belongs to the last elder clan. However, that fourth clan would be even lesser than the Sharingan.

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So rather than the Sage only having two children, you think he had 3? Senju, ____, ____

 

I'm getting confused in all this descendant stuff... so you think that the Sage's elder son had three children just like the Sage's younger son? Also that the sons of the elder son branch off into Uchiha, Hyuga, and ???.

 

Care to make a family tree?

 

Also, we need info on their wives... They might have something to do with the descendant line (probably do)

 

For your idea of a 4th eye Kekkei Genkai, the only other one is a Kekkei Genkai from an anime filler:

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ranmaru%27s_Kekkei_Genkai

 

Also, for those who wondered why Madara took the Rinnegan, this was straight off the wikia:

 

The Sage would leave behind a tablet for his descendants which details his history with the Ten-Tails. Only those who possess the Rinnegan can fully decipher what is written on the tablet, while a person with a different dōjutsu can still partially interpret the information.
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No, the Sage had two sons, but each of them had three. Thus, the Sage actually had six grandchildren.

 

I'd be happy to make a family tree.

 

I just read about that, but it's also possible that the third clan doesn't even have a dojutsu. This would make the clan the black sheep of the elder son's descendants.

 

The First Hokage's wife was an Uzumaki. Before you make claims of incest, I believe it isn't looked down as much as it is in Japan, and their relationship was probably too distant family-wise so that it doesn't count.

 

I can't believe I didn't think of the tablet, but that's an excellent point.

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So we can safely agree that the Sage's two sons were the Senju and the Uchiha? Then from there each of those two had 3 sons. Presumably Uzumaki, Hyuga, and Sarutobi are 3 of the 6 grandchildren.

 

Family tree it is!

 

A black sheep wouldn't be too far-fetched of an idea... But then that means the third son can be pretty much anything as long as it holds some sort of significant connection in some way to the other two sons.

 

Not really incest but more that they legitimately found a female who is not related to them at all and the female had some impact on the 6 grandchildren and possibly the 2 sons of the Sage.

 

So technically... The Rinnegan can translate the entire tablet. Presumably the Sharingan and Byakugan can translate parts of it each. So if the S and the B worked together, they could translate it all. Where is the tablet? On the moon? The tablet could be split up too

 

SIDE NOTE:

For the Impure World Resurrection Technique, does the user (Kabuto) need to have the body of the deceased person whom he is summoning? I don't think so but I want to clarify. Because in curious to see how he got Nagato's body if you need the original body.

RESURRECT KISAME!!

 

Also, if the soul of a deceased person is inside a living person (like Minato's soul is in Naruto), can you still resurrect the deceased person?

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No, the Uchiha and the Senju are the grandchildren. They're just the most famous descendants of the sons. Uzumaki and Hyuga are obvious, but Sarutobi is a stretch just because it would mean all the Hokage would be related to each other.

 

Well, the whole grandchildren = Path Ancestor is already a wild idea of mine, but it seems pretty plausible. However, that makes it more possible for someone like Shikamaru to be randomly revealed as a Path.

 

I don't think the Rinnegan can translate the entire tablet, since Madara mentioned you also need the MS. I don't think the Byakugan can read any of it. Madara said the tablet was write under the Uchiha home, and we've seen Sasuke read part of it.

 

I don't think you use the original body. It's more like you sacrifice someone, and the soul of the resurrected is placed in the sacrifice, and their body is reformed around them. Consider the first two Hokage. Their bodies must have rot or at least decayed. Basically, if Kabuto does revive Kisame, it won't be his original body, just a copy of it. He'll still have his soul, but he'll likely be transformed into a killing machine.

 

We've seen that it's possible to truly resurrect someone like with Chiyo reviving Gaara and Pain reviving the villagers of Konoha. What we haven't seen is if there's any particular time limit before true resurrection becomes impossible.

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