Fishncrabs Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Okay, I don't really understand why some of these cards are banned/limited. -Premature Burial is banned. Monster Reborn is limited.commooon, burial has 4 worse effects than reborn.1. its an equip card.2. its only in ur grave.3. pay 800 lps.4. its only in attack. - Time Seal (banned). Sure, against a Dark World Deck this would be better, but really, there's almost no difference between it and Drastic Drop off, or even normal Drop Off. In fact, I would rather have Drastic than Seal. - D-Hero Disk Commander (banned). Honestly. Use up one of the best spells in the game (monster reborn) to draw two cards, even tho disk commander has to be in the grave and u have to waste one card. Yeah, its ok, but 300 atk and def = O_o - Goyo Guardian (limited). Not that I want it to be banned, I love using this card, but seriously. Its still the highest 6 star synchro monster attackwise, plus its got a craaazy effect. - Victory Dragon (banned). I think there's something I'm missing here. I mean, I can attack with any mosnter directly, take my opponent's life points down to 0, and win. It just says that on this card. I don't get it >_< - Magical Stone Excavation (semi-limited). You waste three cards in your hand to get a spell. Yeah, a Reborn, Brain Control or MST again could be awesome, but waste away three cards for it?? - Nobleman of the Crossout (semi-limited). Why is this better than shield crush? It is ONLY face down defense monsters. Sure, your opponent has to destroy their others in their deck, but so what? There's not a high chance its gunna be sumthin like Giant Germ or Nimble Momonga. Yeah, Sangan's effect wouldn't work either, but still. Okay, that's just some cards I don't see why they are where they are. I don't see how they are soo good/bad. There's obviously reasons because people don't question it, but I'm still not sure.Thx if you answer me =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 - Victory Dragon (banned). I think there's something I'm missing here. I mean' date=' I can attack with any mosnter directly, take my opponent's life points down to 0, and win. It just says that on this card. I don't get it >_< [/quote'] You don't know the difference between a Match and a Duel, do you? A Match is a set of three duels, the winner is determined by best two-out-of-three rules in standard duels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleeordie Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 time seal- not drawing is worse, what if your opponent drawn a mezuki? or maybe a lightsworn? time seal is like a raiza, stops your opponent next move. D-hero commander- obviously you never seen the speed of the destiny hero draw engine, 2 formats ago. goyo guardian- exactly, it has an ablity too powerful and too much attack. it is not the best level 6 synchro (best is broinaic, instant clearing of all your opponent synchros/hard to summon monsters (hours level 8, etc), but it is still overpowered. victory dragon- match=3 duels, but since you can scoop just before victory dragon direct attacks, it is useless. Say thanks to the japanese for not surrending and thus making it banned. magical stone evacation- it is so useless that you would not use 3 anyway. Reason why it is semi limited is because of decks like magical explosion FTK. Nobleman of Crossout- Never get why is it semi-limited, like similar 1-for-1 cards like fissure, smashing ground, and to some extend, MST. Premature Burial- abuse with arms hole, broniac, myst wyrm, giant trunade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 -Premature Burial is banned. Monster Reborn is limited.commooon' date=' burial has 4 worse effects than reborn.1. its an equip card.2. its only in ur grave.3. pay 800 lps.4. its only in attack.[/quote'] Arms Hole and Brionac's presence makes Premature Burial more broken than Monster Reborn. Regardless of Premature Burial's current status, Monster Reborn should be banned. - Time Seal (banned). Sure' date=' against a Dark World Deck this would be better, but really, there's almost no difference between it and Drastic Drop off, or even normal Drop Off. In fact, I would rather have Drastic than Seal.[/quote'] Your opponent doesnt even draw a card. - D-Hero Disk Commander (banned). Honestly. Use up one of the best spells in the game (monster reborn) to draw two cards' date=' even tho disk commander has to be in the grave and u have to waste one card. Yeah, its ok, but 300 atk and def = O_o[/quote'] Insane draw power. Draw power can easily be abused but the banworthiness of a number of things that this could be abused with are also questionable. Exodia is an example of this. Disk Commander's place on the ban list is debatable. Personally it can be at 3 if all generic revival and banworthy win conditions are banned. With all them gone your left with non-generic revival like Limit Reverse and Graceful Revival or theme specific revival in the case of Zombie World + Book of Life, Mezuki, Zombie Master, etc. Zombie World may be the reason for Disk Commander's ban but there is no guarantee Konami banned it for that. - Goyo Guardian (limited). Not that I want it to be banned' date=' I love using this card, but seriously. Its still the highest 6 star synchro monster attackwise, plus its got a craaazy effect.[/quote'] No idea. There's nothing I could think of that would get Goyo limited. - Victory Dragon (banned). I think there's something I'm missing here. I mean' date=' I can attack with any mosnter directly, take my opponent's life points down to 0, and win. It just says that on this card. I don't get it >_<[/quote'] Look at the effect and take into account the different scooping rules in the TCG and OCG. In the TCG, you can only scoop during your turn but in the OCG you can scoop any time. Victory Dragon should be at 0 in any game because of the unacceptable nature of the effect. That is the reason it is banworthy but I dont know why Konami would ban it. In case you don't know, scooping = surrendering. - Magical Stone Excavation (semi-limited). You waste three cards in your hand to get a spell. Yeah' date=' a Reborn, Brain Control or MST again could be awesome, but waste away three cards for it??[/quote'] No idea. It is a -2. Then again OTKs and FTKs are helped by this but the banworthiness of some and consistency of others are rather questionable. - Nobleman of the Crossout (semi-limited). Why is this better than shield crush? It is ONLY face down defense monsters. Sure' date=' your opponent has to destroy their others in their deck, but so what? There's not a high chance its gunna be sumthin like Giant Germ or Nimble Momonga. Yeah, Sangan's effect wouldn't work either, but still.[/quote'] Nobleman of Crossout is banworthy. Sangan is banworthy. This Nobleman kills Flip Effect monsters. I have no idea why Nobleman is Semi-Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishncrabs Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 okay. thanks to all the answers. im still not sure how premature could be better. but meh. i know about time seal, but theres a very high chance the next card won't be anything your opponent could use in the grave. goyo is too awesome to be banned =D yeah i understand about victory dragon now. but still, you have to tribute three monsters, and the chance that it can attack cleanly when your opponent has less than 2400 lps is not very often. MSE... yeah, its crap :D Nobleman... i thought shield crush negated flip effects too. so yeah, i guess its pretty good :P thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 -Premature Burial is banned. Monster Reborn is limited.commooon' date=' burial has 4 worse effects than reborn.1. its an equip card.2. its only in ur grave.3. pay 800 lps.4. its only in attack.[/quote'] Arms Hole and Brionac's presence makes Premature Burial more broken than Monster Reborn. Regardless of Premature Burial's current status, Monster Reborn should be banned.then Prem should be on the TCG exclusive list. personally till we get said Arms Hole (ind4fistrefrence) and Brionac - Time Seal (banned). Sure' date=' against a Dark World Deck this would be better, but really, there's almost no difference between it and Drastic Drop off, or even normal Drop Off. In fact, I would rather have Drastic than Seal.[/quote'] Your opponent doesnt even draw a card.yep - D-Hero Disk Commander (banned). Honestly. Use up one of the best spells in the game (monster reborn) to draw two cards' date=' even tho disk commander has to be in the grave and u have to waste one card. Yeah, its ok, but 300 atk and def = O_o[/quote'] Insane draw power. Draw power can easily be abused but the banworthiness of a number of things that this could be abused with are also questionable. Exodia is an example of this. Disk Commander's place on the ban list is debatable. Personally it can be at 3 if all generic revival and banworthy win conditions are banned. With all them gone your left with non-generic revival like Limit Reverse and Graceful Revival or theme specific revival in the case of Zombie World + Book of Life, Mezuki, Zombie Master, etc. Zombie World may be the reason for Disk Commander's ban but there is no guarantee Konami banned it for that.cool story, bro - Goyo Guardian (limited). Not that I want it to be banned' date=' I love using this card, but seriously. Its still the highest 6 star synchro monster attackwise, plus its got a craaazy effect.[/quote'] No idea. There's nothing I could think of that would get Goyo limited. not working hard for a level 6 monster that can steal others isnt broke???? what about this? Goyo ManDark/Warrior/Effect******When this monster attack. Rape ur opponents face with there monster.ATK:2800 DEF: doesnt matter Personally i like Goyo at 1 it make ppl think about when to use their Goyo. U can just Synchro it thinking oh ill have another chance to get another so i dont care what happens to it. Makes u have to plan and think, remember when that mattered in the game. - Victory Dragon (banned). I think there's something I'm missing here. I mean' date=' I can attack with any mosnter directly, take my opponent's life points down to 0, and win. It just says that on this card. I don't get it >_<[/quote'] Look at the effect and take into account the different scooping rules in the TCG and OCG. In the TCG, you can only scoop during your turn but in the OCG you can scoop any time. Victory Dragon should be at 0 in any game because of the unacceptable nature of the effect. That is the reason it is banworthy but I dont know why Konami would ban it. In case you don't know, scooping = surrendering. SCOOP!!!!!1! - Magical Stone Excavation (semi-limited). You waste three cards in your hand to get a spell. Yeah' date=' a Reborn, Brain Control or MST again could be awesome, but waste away three cards for it??[/quote'] No idea. It is a -2. Then again OTKs and FTKs are helped by this but the banworthiness of some and consistency of others are rather questionable. its fine where its at - Nobleman of the Crossout (semi-limited). Why is this better than shield crush? It is ONLY face down defense monsters. Sure' date=' your opponent has to destroy their others in their deck, but so what? There's not a high chance its gunna be sumthin like Giant Germ or Nimble Momonga. Yeah, Sangan's effect wouldn't work either, but still.[/quote'] Nobleman of Crossout is banworthy. Sangan is banworthy. This Nobleman kills Flip Effect monsters. I have no idea why Nobleman is Semi-Limited. i better not set my Ryko, that jabroni might Nobleman me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishncrabs Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 lol, nice answers Father Wolf ^^thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 im still not sure how premature could be better. but meh. Arms Hole basically lets you run 4 Premature Burials in a Deck. Arms Hole lets you at the cost of a Normal Summon and a card from the top of your Deck get an Equip Card (Premature Burial in this case) from your Deck or Graveyard and let you use or reuse it. Brionac lets you return Premature Burial from the field to your hand and reuse it. Premature Burial doesnt destroy the equipped Monster unless it is destroyed by a card effect so the monster survives and you can use Premature Burial again. yeah i understand about victory dragon now. but still' date=' you have to tribute three monsters, and the chance that it can attack cleanly when your opponent has less than 2400 lps is not very often.[/quote'] A card can still suck and be banworthy. Victory Dragon is an example. Nobleman... i thought shield crush negated flip effects too. so yeah' date=' i guess its pretty good :P[/quote'] The real problem is how Nobleman deals with Flip Effects. If Shield Crush had a similar effect on a particular type of Monster or Effect Monster it would be banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OH I FORGOT TO ADD THIS TO GOYO MAN! Goyo ManDark/Warrior/Effect******You may have 4 copies of this card in your Deck and/or Side Deck. This monster cannot be normal summoned or set. This card can only be special summoned by having exactly 3 Warrior Type monsters in your Graveyard. While this card in in your Deck it is treated as Level 4. While this card in your hand it is treated as a Level 8. When this monster destroys an opponents monster as a result of battle and sends it to the Graveyard, Special Summon it to your side of the field in defence position, then destroy all card on the field except this monster and the Special Summoned monster. During any time decrease this monsters original ATK to 1000, until the end phase. If this monster is sent to the Graveyard when it had 1000 ATK, Special Summon it during the end phase. During your main phase 1 discard 1 card. You opponent sends 1 card from his hand to the Graveyard. i just want to make sure it was balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishncrabs Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 ohh ok, i see about premature now. still, i'd rather reborn, since that's a lot of combo's u gotta rely on :Pand holy crap brionac is broken. seriously. wtfhax.thx for ur advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Arms Hole is a 1-card combo that lets you run 4 Prem per deck. Brionac is a joke to get out, and leads to an OTK with Prem (which is at 4). Etcetera. Brionac himself isn't broken. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 premature burial : giant trunade, brionac, ally of justice cyclone creator, arms hole... time seal : time lock anyone? disk commander : I want him back so I'll say he's cool. :P goyo : R&D gone wrong victory dragon : imagine him in a time lock deck... yeah that's what happened in japan. MSE : could go back to 3 DDT is dead. NoC : is better than shield crush (at least for sangan, frog...) personally I'd put this at 3 for being a specific 1 for 1 removal but some think otherwise. anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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