Lord Zangetsu Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 ZenQued - I have msn too by the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Ah, the good old days of fighting with swords. Where it took true skill and strength to take down your opponent. Nowadays, all you really gotta do is point and pull a trigger. Where's the fun in that? =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Swords>Gun, because they make fights more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Ah' date=' the good old days of fighting with swords. Where it took true skill and strength to take down your opponent. Nowadays, all you really gotta do is point and pull a trigger. Where's the fun in that? =/[/quote']Â Don't forget the crossbows! Â Got to love the crossbows D; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Ya Damn the Chinese people for crating guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Crossbows were cool, but they kinda took the fun out of swordfighting by being an early version of guns. However, I did like the idea of the Arbolest (a large device that could fire multiple volleys of arrows in rapid succession). @Cecil (Hard to not call you Roxas) - I couldn't agree with you more. That's why Bleach is so awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Name: Davok (soon to be Patchouli Knowledge)Age: 13Why you want to join?: Friday the 13th, wanna get in while I still can. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Name: Davok (soon to be Patchouli Knowledge)Age: 13Why you want to join?: Friday the 13th' date=' wanna get in while I still can. xD[/quote']Â Strange and unusual reason to want to join a knighthood. Nonetheless, welcome to the Knights Templar. You're among brothers in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Crossbows were cool' date=' but they kinda took the fun out of swordfighting by being an early version of guns. However, I did like the idea of the Arbolest (a large device that could fire multiple volleys of arrows in rapid succession).[/quote']Â Yea, crossbows were the only device back then that was able to pierce through a knight's armor at long range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Crossbows were cool' date=' but they kinda took the fun out of swordfighting by being an early version of guns. However, I did like the idea of the Arbolest (a large device that could fire multiple volleys of arrows in rapid succession).[/quote'] Yea, crossbows were the only device back then that was able to pierce through a knight's armor at long range. Yeah. Spears would be more along the lines of medium range. Of course, I'd rather use boiling oil or catapults for long range combat. You take out more people that way. >=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall, and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote']Â Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote'] Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear. If the horse doesn't have a stroke first. Lugging around a hundred pounds of heavy chainmail and emblem of knight can't do well for your heart condition. A good strategy is to get the artillery as far back as possible, but just enough to fire on the enemy. After firing on the enemy with the artillery, they'll most probably break formation and thus be easy target for archers and slings. Then, when the enemy is recovering charge in the heavy soldiers (such as the knights) with the lighter foot soldiers following soon after. Arm the knights with lances and plow through the survivors. Either the enemy will retreat and flee, or be crushed by subsequent rounds of artillery fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote'] Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear. If the horse doesn't have a stroke first. Lugging around a hundred pounds of heavy chainmail and emblem of knight can't do well for your heart condition. A good strategy is to get the artillery as far back as possible, but just enough to fire on the enemy. After firing on the enemy with the artillery, they'll most probably break formation and thus be easy target for archers and slings. Then, when the enemy is recovering charge in the heavy soldiers (such as the knights) with the lighter foot soldiers following soon after. Arm the knights with lances and plow through the survivors. Either the enemy will retreat and flee, or be crushed by subsequent rounds of artillery fire. Weren't the War Horses specially bred for that? Or am I mistaken? Artillery was awesome back then, but posed the problem of friendly fire, as they would have to constantly move the artillery forward to crush a retreating force. I honestly don't know about slings, since they would prove useless against heavy units. ^^This might all be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote'] Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear. If the horse doesn't have a stroke first. Lugging around a hundred pounds of heavy chainmail and emblem of knight can't do well for your heart condition. A good strategy is to get the artillery as far back as possible, but just enough to fire on the enemy. After firing on the enemy with the artillery, they'll most probably break formation and thus be easy target for archers and slings. Then, when the enemy is recovering charge in the heavy soldiers (such as the knights) with the lighter foot soldiers following soon after. Arm the knights with lances and plow through the survivors. Either the enemy will retreat and flee, or be crushed by subsequent rounds of artillery fire. Weren't the War Horses specially bred for that? Or am I mistaken? Artillery was awesome back then, but posed the problem of friendly fire, as they would have to constantly move the artillery forward to crush a retreating force. I honestly don't know about slings, since they would prove useless against heavy units. ^^This might all be wrong. You probably right about the War Horses thing. Yeah, you are right.  And friendly fire? Psssh. This is the frikkin' Middle Ages were talking about. Besides, die in the Crusades and then BAM. Instant access to the Big Guy's crib. So they wouldn't mind.  And yeah, the slings aren't really intended for the heavy units anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote'] Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear. If the horse doesn't have a stroke first. Lugging around a hundred pounds of heavy chainmail and emblem of knight can't do well for your heart condition. A good strategy is to get the artillery as far back as possible, but just enough to fire on the enemy. After firing on the enemy with the artillery, they'll most probably break formation and thus be easy target for archers and slings. Then, when the enemy is recovering charge in the heavy soldiers (such as the knights) with the lighter foot soldiers following soon after. Arm the knights with lances and plow through the survivors. Either the enemy will retreat and flee, or be crushed by subsequent rounds of artillery fire. Weren't the War Horses specially bred for that? Or am I mistaken? Artillery was awesome back then, but posed the problem of friendly fire, as they would have to constantly move the artillery forward to crush a retreating force. I honestly don't know about slings, since they would prove useless against heavy units. ^^This might all be wrong. You probably right about the War Horses thing. Yeah, you are right.  And friendly fire? Psssh. This is the frikkin' Middle Ages were talking about. Besides, die in the Crusades and then BAM. Instant access to the Big Guy's crib. So they wouldn't mind.  And yeah, the slings aren't really intended for the heavy units anyway. True dat ;D The user would still have to have a damn good arm to kill a light unit anyways. Then again I could be wrong about the size of the projectile. >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote'] Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear. If the horse doesn't have a stroke first. Lugging around a hundred pounds of heavy chainmail and emblem of knight can't do well for your heart condition. A good strategy is to get the artillery as far back as possible, but just enough to fire on the enemy. After firing on the enemy with the artillery, they'll most probably break formation and thus be easy target for archers and slings. Then, when the enemy is recovering charge in the heavy soldiers (such as the knights) with the lighter foot soldiers following soon after. Arm the knights with lances and plow through the survivors. Either the enemy will retreat and flee, or be crushed by subsequent rounds of artillery fire. Weren't the War Horses specially bred for that? Or am I mistaken? Artillery was awesome back then, but posed the problem of friendly fire, as they would have to constantly move the artillery forward to crush a retreating force. I honestly don't know about slings, since they would prove useless against heavy units. ^^This might all be wrong. You probably right about the War Horses thing. Yeah, you are right.  And friendly fire? Psssh. This is the frikkin' Middle Ages were talking about. Besides, die in the Crusades and then BAM. Instant access to the Big Guy's crib. So they wouldn't mind.  And yeah, the slings aren't really intended for the heavy units anyway. True dat ;D The user would still have to have a damn good arm to kill a light unit anyways. Then again I could be wrong about the size of the projectile. >.< They would also have to be taken out of the actual military, and not one of those recruits, who were:  King: Go join the Crusades! Guy: K, but don't I need, liek, training?King: No......no you do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 With burning oil you need a wall' date=' and it only has minimum range capacity. Specifically, down. And unsiegewise, catapults are basically only of use to scatter the enemy into smaller groups to be cut down. Javelins, however, act as both a spear and a long range weapon. It can either kill a foot soldier or too, or knock a knight off his horse. Of course, the javelin must be of particular heaviness to get through all those layers of armor and the thrower must be especially strong.[/quote'] Not to mention it was simpler to kill the horse with a regular spear.  If the horse doesn't have a stroke first. Lugging around a hundred pounds of heavy chainmail and emblem of knight can't do well for your heart condition. A good strategy is to get the artillery as far back as possible, but just enough to fire on the enemy. After firing on the enemy with the artillery, they'll most probably break formation and thus be easy target for archers and slings. Then, when the enemy is recovering charge in the heavy soldiers (such as the knights) with the lighter foot soldiers following soon after. Arm the knights with lances and plow through the survivors. Either the enemy will retreat and flee, or be crushed by subsequent rounds of artillery fire.  Weren't the War Horses specially bred for that? Or am I mistaken? Artillery was awesome back then, but posed the problem of friendly fire, as they would have to constantly move the artillery forward to crush a retreating force. I honestly don't know about slings, since they would prove useless against heavy units. ^^This might all be wrong.  You probably right about the War Horses thing. Yeah, you are right.  And friendly fire? Psssh. This is the frikkin' Middle Ages were talking about. Besides, die in the Crusades and then BAM. Instant access to the Big Guy's crib. So they wouldn't mind.  And yeah, the slings aren't really intended for the heavy units anyway.  True dat ;D The user would still have to have a damn good arm to kill a light unit anyways. Then again I could be wrong about the size of the projectile. >.<  They would also have to be taken out of the actual military, and not one of those recruits, who were:  King: Go join the Crusades! Guy: K, but don't I need, liek, training?King: No......no you do not.  Crude version of the draft. Reminds me of the Children's Crusade. Cute idea, but ended in them all being caught and sold into slavery. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi :D Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Screw you, thats illuminati property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Screw you' date=' thats illuminati property.[/quote']Â Unless you wish to join the club, please refrain from spamming in this thread. If you refuse to comply, you will be reported. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zangetsu Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Screw you' date=' thats illuminati property.[/quote']Â Wrong, plus this club was started before your dump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Children's Crusade? Sounds interesting. What was that? By the way, what's your favourite siege weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Ram  =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn of Elemia Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I'm fond of the battering ram and arbolest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Rams are great for breaking down gates, but throw in some burning oil and their screwed. Mine's the trebuchet, due to it's sheer velocity and fast reload rate. Though up against an actually decent rock wall siege weapons such as the catapult or trebuchet are practically useless except for getting the enemy to wet their pants. A good strategy is to fire INTO the town from a higher point, to increase the artillery's effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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