Huntar! Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Mankind is evil, corrupt, rude, greedy, and self-centered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 That is the reason why we invented laws/politics/religion to try to prevent it (not that it's working properly, but still) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 False. A person is good if his/her actions conform to what society believes is good' date=' and is bad if they go against what society thinks is good. According to you, Hitler was a good person.[/quote'] Wrong... Society fails.. What about in a small town where the people are all racist or something... The society would more then likely see an act of racism as a good thing, but it isn't so your logic fails... But the person you were answering their logic also fails... That's exactly the point. In that town, being racist would be considered "good". The only reason you think it is "evil" is because the society you were raised in has called it "evil". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 good and evil are nothing but POVs, there is no universal good and no universal evil, it all depends on the circumstances But it still doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day when push comes to shove, we as a species only think of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 good and evil are nothing but POVs' date=' there is no universal good and no universal evil, it all depends on the circumstances But it still doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day when push comes to shove, we as a species only think of ourselves.[/quote'] Well, what about people who die for a cause, or fighting a war? (And I'm not referring to terrorist who believe they'll get 40 virgins for blowing themselves up, I mean other causes and wars >_> ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 the problem there is that everyone thinks they're doing the right thing in a war. But just like "good" and "evil" are just POVs, the same is true for "right" and "wrong" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 the problem there is that everyone thinks they're doing the right thing in a war. But just like "good" and "evil" are just POVs' date=' the same is true for "right" and "wrong"[/quote'] I was referring to your "all actions are made out of selfishness" point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 which is technically considered wrong, but none of us really have the ability to be that selfless. Look at it this way, have you ever actually taken ANY course of action in any circumstances and not want anything in return? (And look deep down in yourself before answering that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 which is technically considered wrong' date=' but none of us really have the ability to be that selfless. Look at it this way, have you ever actually taken ANY course of action in any circumstances and not want anything in return? (And look deep down in yourself before answering that)[/quote'] I know everything I do is based off of (at some point, subconscious or conscious) desire to further myself. But that's now what I was asking. You said that all actions of all humans are driven by selfish desires (or as Freud would call it, the Id). I'm asking what is the selfish drive of people who willingly die for a cause (again, not the "40-virgin" suicides...) or people who enlist to fight in a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowwolf17 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I think that people are born neutral, and their desicions help them mature(or not). You take a clone of someone, the decision the clone makes in life will make it diferent from the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Well, it's not about willingly die for a cause as the hope that you'll survive and be given a hero's title in a war (like the medal of honor or distinguished service cross or something). On the other hand, if you want to talk about enlisting to die like the kamikaze missions, that's more because you have a belief upon death your soul will reside in a place of greatness, and it's your desire to be in that place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Both. It depends on the external factors which side is the strongest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Yeah but you have to take into account that some factors are beyond control here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Metal Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Both. It depends on the external factors which side is the strongest. I'll go with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Jevans Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I feel humanity is not good or evil. What some people consider 'good' others consider 'evil' and vice versa. Nobody has the right to judge what is 'good' or 'evil' so we can't really say. It's all a matter of opinion and belief.People say humanity is corrupt etc. but even those who say that have done things they say are consider 'evil' so who are they to judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I feel humanity is not good or evil. What some people consider 'good' others consider 'evil' and vice versa. Nobody has the right to judge what is 'good' or 'evil' so we can't really say. It's all a matter of opinion and belief.People say humanity is corrupt etc. but even those who say that have done things they say are consider 'evil' so who are they to judge? That's just the exact point. Since we're all biased, we always tend to favor one side over others (regardless of circumstances) and therefore it leads others to think we're "good/evil" on the same principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Lord Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Depends. Listen to the song 'war machine' and it will highlight both kinds of people: "Some of us will hold beliefs to live, love and trust all the people we meet."&"Some of us will feed off all the people who give" Some of us will, some of us won't. You must choose if you are part of a race that "beg, steals and chews on the bones that are left from the people that care" or if you are those who care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Care about others? That's only true in non-extreme situations. We try to believe we're giving and all, but in reality we're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezio Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 [align=center]Mankind is the most evil species known to have walked this planet.We as a species have caused so many bad things, and what is worse is how we made up bullsh!t like we have a divine right over all animals, when we fu©king well don't and shouldn't. If god entrusted us to look after earth I'm guessing he's pretty damn pissed off at us, look at this mess.[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I'm actually surprised total war hasn't broken out yet. Humanity's main saying is that we're right in every possible case regardless of circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilsweaky Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Poorly made Thread... Put more detail in your Threads.BTW, This thread doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Poorly made Thread... Put more detail in your Threads.BTW' date=' This thread doesn't make any sense.[/quote'] Or maybe you don't know how to read. We'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovelife Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Your what U choose to be so the poll is wrong your born neutreal u choose your actions and what u are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 As an average we're evil but we're trying to be better and not screw up the planet so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 As an average we're evil but we're trying to be better and not screw up the planet so much. we nearly did for the environment due to our stupid belief that the environment will last thousands more years before it reaches the critical point, so we can do whatever we feel like and nothing bad will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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