Why are these banned?

[Tronta]

Cyber Jar

 

and

 

Witch of the Black Forest

 

way back they were more broken.

but this gen i dont think theyre as terrible.

 

unless im missing something

thoughts?

[necrofearless]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

To Which.

Coz DAd Is not Banned yet?

 

To Jar.

IDK Massive destruction, draw Swarm is massive.

[Tickle Me Emo]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

 

What makes witch broken is its wide veriety of search targets. in Lightsworns it could probably search out every seingle monster in the deck excluding Judgment Dragon. In Glads it can search out every monster except Hoplomus. in zombies it can search out jevery monster in the deck. In Dark World I believe every monster. Point is due to the low defense of played cards its basically a "Hey guess what you can add any monster you want into your hand!".

[Dweller of Parables]

I has run 3 Cyber Jars and 3 Morphing Jars and they makes me win. :P

Broken is broken.

Banned is banned for a reason.

Witch deserves to go to 1 for lolz.

[iAmNateXero]

@CJ: Free mass destruction + Luck sack win condition = Banable card.

@WotBF: Every Monarch + DAD = Bannable card.

[necrofearless]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

 

What makes witch broken is its wide veriety of search targets. in Lightsworns it could probably search out every seingle monster in the deck excluding Judgment Dragon. In Glads it can search out every monster except Hoplomus. in zombies it can search out jevery monster in the deck. In Dark World I believe every monster. Point is due to the low defense of played cards its basically a "Hey guess what you can add any monster you want into your hand!".

 

True but then again I thought monster reborn would never come back into the limited list. Look at it now, it's become the staple of every deck. same goes for chaos sorc. if they make a card that'll stop searchers i guarantee witch's return.

[Sleepy]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

 

What makes witch broken is its wide veriety of search targets. in Lightsworns it could probably search out every seingle monster in the deck excluding Judgment Dragon. In Glads it can search out every monster except Hoplomus. in zombies it can search out jevery monster in the deck. In Dark World I believe every monster. Point is due to the low defense of played cards its basically a "Hey guess what you can add any monster you want into your hand!".

 

True but then again I thought monster reborn would never come back into the limited list. Look at it now' date=' it's become the staple of every deck. same goes for chaos sorc. if they make a card that'll stop searchers i guarantee witch's return.

[/quote']

 

yea but on the other hand, some people think Monster Reborn shouldn't have been unbanned.

As for Chaos Sorcerer, he's not that great, he's not bad but certainly not used in every Deck.

I don't think Which will come back, its just too great since it can search for almost anything in every Deck, even itself is a searchable card, its a DARK. And some other reasons I must have missed =/

[Tickle Me Emo]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

 

What makes witch broken is its wide veriety of search targets. in Lightsworns it could probably search out every seingle monster in the deck excluding Judgment Dragon. In Glads it can search out every monster except Hoplomus. in zombies it can search out jevery monster in the deck. In Dark World I believe every monster. Point is due to the low defense of played cards its basically a "Hey guess what you can add any monster you want into your hand!".

 

True but then again I thought monster reborn would never come back into the limited list. Look at it now' date=' it's become the staple of every deck. same goes for chaos sorc. if they make a card that'll stop searchers i guarantee witch's return.

[/quote']

 

All generic revival cards should be banned. Honestly Im not sure about sorcerer but I dont know. I guess this format its really not all that great. Ive never seen it win a game or be the difference maker.

[CrabHelmet]

Cyber Jar

FLIP: Dark Hole. Draw 5. Ultimate Offering.

 

Witch of the Black Forest

You know Sangan? You know how Sangan is banworthy? You know how Sangan would be banworthy even if it wasn't compatible with Crush Card Virus and Limit Reverse? You know how Witch of the Black Forest is pretty much that, except with the ATK limit that makes Sangan only work on critters replaced with a DEF limit that nobody cares about?

[Tronta]

i guess cyber is too powerful and too splashable.

but eh.

 

witch though.. meh.

addressed in order:

-dad isnt broken enough to be banned. hes fine at 1. hes ceased to be a win condition.

-lightsworns already have a free "grab-any-monster" with charge, gbs tag out into any of themselves, plus summoner monk. theyve got ridiculous toolboxing anyway. turtle aside, because he can get em all anyway, zombies are mostly dead, so who cares? whats the best thing theyre going to search? zombie master? pfft. nothing really broken there, imo. and darkworld sucks. point is, most meta archetypes already have free searching. it doesnt matter if they get a +1 to it.

-every monarch is the only valid argument i see here, but if they bump raiza back to one where he belongs, it wouldnt be too bad. it searching dad isnt bad at all. teledad was one of the most creative, ingenious and strategic decks out there. it being dead bothers me. bringing it a lil more power isnt bad.

-i dont think sangan is bannable. i think its fine at 1. crushing is annoying, but i feel like it should be reruling to declare the crush target as having to be faceup. that would definitely add a little balance. but eh. i dont think ive ever seen someone limit-reverse a sangan. too few decks as it is even run limit reverse. plus, any deck running limit reverse probably has an abundance of crush targets anyway. as to the last beef, they should shift the gameplay more to involve defense. ehren was a step toward that i believe, but gbs completely killed the idea of playing monsters in defense.

meh.

 

i dont think its as bad as some of the cards on the list.

[CrabHelmet]

dad isnt broken

[Tickle Me Emo]

i guess cyber is too powerful and too splashable.

Thats obvious' date=' I really didnt think it needed to be explained to you.

 

witch though.. meh.

It should stayed where it is.

 

-dad isnt broken enough to be banned. hes fine at 1. hes ceased to be a win condition.

Dark Armed Dragon is argueably the most broken card still allowed in tournament play. By your logic Chaos Emporer Dragon should be at 1 cause the chances of that being a win condition at one are slim. lessfailplz

 

-lightsworns already have a free "grab-any-monster" with charge

Celestia.

 

gbs tag out into any of themselves' date=' plus summoner monk. theyve got ridiculous toolboxing anyway.[/quote']

So you want Gbs to have 6 Rescue Cats? (2 Cats, 2 Monk, Sangan, Witch). Honestly though this is probably your only decent arguement.

 

turtle aside' date=' because he can get em all anyway, zombies are mostly dead, so who cares? whats the best thing theyre going to search? zombie master? pfft. nothing really broken there, imo.[/quote']

Zombies are very much alive. Sure they are no longer a swarm and beat the funk outta you deck but they are very VERY much alive. You just need to be good enough to see how.

 

and darkworld sucks.

True but it was just a point I was trying to make.

 

-every monarch is the only valid argument i see here' date=' but if they bump raiza back to one where he belongs, it wouldnt be too bad.[/quote']

Raiza deserves to be at 3.

 

it searching dad isnt bad at all. teledad was one of the most creative' date=' ingenious and strategic decks out there. it being dead bothers me. bringing it a lil more power isnt bad.[/quote']

You dont need much stratagy to build a 26 card deck (I believe after all draw engine has been used) that seems to OTK very often.

 

-i dont think sangan is bannable. i think its fine at 1.

No.

 

crushing is annoying' date=' but i feel like it should be reruling to declare the crush target as having to be faceup. that would definitely add a little balance.[/quote']

It doesnt make a difference if the monster is face up. "Hey I need to have it face up? Fine Ill just summon Sangan, Let him do whatever he would do if it was facedown THEN CRUSH!" Its the same result.

 

but eh. i dont think ive ever seen someone limit-reverse a sangan. too few decks as it is even run limit reverse.

Without Disk Commander Limit Reverse doesnt see play. However there is still the possibility of running 4 sangan due to Limit Reverse.

 

plus' date=' any deck running limit reverse probably has an abundance of crush targets anyway.[/quote']

Cause all monsters with 1000atk or less are darks.

 

as to the last beef' date=' they should shift the gameplay more to involve defense. ehren was a step toward that i believe, but gbs completely killed the idea of playing monsters in defense.[/quote']

At NoC at 3 doesnt?

 

i dont think its as bad as some of the cards on the list.

Yes there are some cards that are more bannable, such as Dark Armed, but a broken card is still broken, and a bannable card is still bannable.

[necrofearless]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

 

What makes witch broken is its wide veriety of search targets. in Lightsworns it could probably search out every seingle monster in the deck excluding Judgment Dragon. In Glads it can search out every monster except Hoplomus. in zombies it can search out jevery monster in the deck. In Dark World I believe every monster. Point is due to the low defense of played cards its basically a "Hey guess what you can add any monster you want into your hand!".

 

True but then again I thought monster reborn would never come back into the limited list. Look at it now' date=' it's become the staple of every deck. same goes for chaos sorc. if they make a card that'll stop searchers i guarantee witch's return.

[/quote']

 

All generic revival cards should be banned. Honestly Im not sure about sorcerer but I dont know. I guess this format its really not all that great. Ive never seen it win a game or be the difference maker.

well i will agree with you there Chaos.sorc. isnt as powerful as it was back in the IOC days. but if your talking about difference makers witch isnt really gunna make much difference in a tourny game. all the new archs have searchers. a general searcher is like having a sangan.

 

on the field. wait for its destruction, get a monster from the deck to the hand..........

 

if people are worried about what witch brings out, ban those cards and witch would be just another searcher.

 

and the crush/sangan/limit combo is very annoying IMO but doesnt make sangan banworthy.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

i guess cyber is too powerful and too splashable.

but eh.

 

witch though.. meh.

addressed in order:

-dad isnt broken enough to be banned. hes fine at 1. hes ceased to be a win condition.

-lightsworns already have a free "grab-any-monster" with charge' date=' gbs tag out into any of themselves, plus summoner monk. theyve got ridiculous toolboxing anyway. turtle aside, because he can get em all anyway, zombies are mostly dead, so who cares? whats the best thing theyre going to search? zombie master? pfft. nothing really broken there, imo. and darkworld sucks. point is, most meta archetypes already have free searching. it doesnt matter if they get a +1 to it.

-every monarch is the only valid argument i see here, but if they bump raiza back to one where he belongs, it wouldnt be too bad. it searching dad isnt bad at all. teledad was one of the most creative, ingenious and strategic decks out there. it being dead bothers me. bringing it a lil more power isnt bad.

-i dont think sangan is bannable. i think its fine at 1. crushing is annoying, but i feel like it should be reruling to declare the crush target as having to be faceup. that would definitely add a little balance. but eh. i dont think ive ever seen someone limit-reverse a sangan. too few decks as it is even run limit reverse. plus, any deck running limit reverse probably has an abundance of crush targets anyway. as to the last beef, they should shift the gameplay more to involve defense. ehren was a step toward that i believe, but gbs completely killed the idea of playing monsters in defense.

meh.

 

i dont think its as bad as some of the cards on the list.

[/quote']

 

You're good enough to make me think this is sarcasm, but i'm just not feeling it.

[Bunter Dwayne]

Cyber Jar ~ needs to stay where it is.

 

Witch of the Black Forest ~ needs to stay where it is.

 

Geez, this topic is stupid.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Don't ask why something is banned. Ever. We do not work for Konami. God, I feel like I'm repeating myself.

[Neilsweaky]

Cyber Jar and Fiber Jar are the most broken.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Don't ask why something is banned. Ever. We do not work for Konami. God' date=' I feel like I'm repeating myself.

[/quote']

 

That's because you are.

[Father Wolf]

u best be trollin

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

way back they were more broken.

but this gen i dont think theyre as terrible.

 

And did I forget to mention the fact that just because the times are different, it doesn't mean that a card is less banworthy now than what it was before.

[Tronta]

@sarcasm guy, which thing specifically are you referring to?

 

@konami guy, most cards are banned for a very specific and very easily explainable reason. usually a lock or loop that breaks the game. i was wondering if there was such a one for these 2 trolls that im not aware of.

 

@jd, i was directly implicating that something like witch had way more broken targets back then. this gen, weve got summoner monk. weve got gbs who can tag out without restriction. i think compared to witch, we have much more broken searchers now. none as easily splashable, but eh.

 

mainly, i just want to see this get back in the game:

[Tickle Me Emo]

witch should be back at one. cyber should remain where it is.

 

What makes witch broken is its wide veriety of search targets. in Lightsworns it could probably search out every seingle monster in the deck excluding Judgment Dragon. In Glads it can search out every monster except Hoplomus. in zombies it can search out jevery monster in the deck. In Dark World I believe every monster. Point is due to the low defense of played cards its basically a "Hey guess what you can add any monster you want into your hand!".

 

True but then again I thought monster reborn would never come back into the limited list. Look at it now' date=' it's become the staple of every deck. same goes for chaos sorc. if they make a card that'll stop searchers i guarantee witch's return.

[/quote']

 

All generic revival cards should be banned. Honestly Im not sure about sorcerer but I dont know. I guess this format its really not all that great. Ive never seen it win a game or be the difference maker.

well i will agree with you there Chaos.sorc. isnt as powerful as it was back in the IOC days. but if your talking about difference makers witch isnt really gunna make much difference in a tourny game. all the new archs have searchers. a general searcher is like having a sangan.

 

on the field. wait for its destruction, get a monster from the deck to the hand..........

 

if people are worried about what witch brings out, ban those cards and witch would be just another searcher.

 

and the crush/sangan/limit combo is very annoying IMO but doesnt make sangan banworthy.

 

Oh look weve got Konami junior here. Thats usually how Konami works, banning the cards that arent broken to make the ones that are seem less broken. Example:

 

ARA - Limited

Demise - Unlimited

 

So your saying we should leave a field nuker like Demise and leave a decent card like ARA on the banlist when Demise the broken card but without ARA it wont see much play?

[XxTenshixX]

mainly' date=' i just want to see this get back in the game:

[img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/3/34/SanwitchSOD-EN-C.jpg[/img]

 

Sanwitch can still be sumooned but not the original way...

 

Still the cards should remain banned, people just don't put high DEF on cards these days, and that's what makes it Overpowered.

Cyber Jar is the same, no need for me to say why, others already did.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

@konami guy' date=' most cards are banned for a very specific and very easily explainable reason. usually a lock or loop that breaks the game. i was wondering if there was such a one for these 2 trolls that im not aware of.

[/quote']

 

You're asking the wrong thing. "Why" would imply that any of us had any sort of part in making said card banned. What you should be asking is, "Should *insert card* remain banned?"