SwineRider Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 What do you think? If the evil Yami Marik would be takled about a user of the seal of oricalchos. Would Marik destroy his enemy? And which dark magic is stronger, the seal´s one or the shadow realm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 hard to argue. It really has to come down to who is stronger, Zorc the Dark one or the Great Leviathan. For the most part, the sub would suggest Zorc being the stronger of the two since he defeated the 3 Egyptian Gods by himself, whereas the Great Leviathan failed to. In the dub however, the Leviathan was defeated because of all the dark energy from the souls stored in it, Atem turned it into light and transferred it to the Egyptian Gods, which made the Leviathan much weaker than it should have been. Although there was one part that did seem to suggest the Leviathan might have been stronger even in the sub as well, and that was to look at the attacks by Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon on it. If you recall, that attack did virtually no damage to the Leviathan, and it didn't make the Leviathan flinch even the slightest bit. On the other hand, later on in DOTD when this attack was done on Zorc, the blast knocked him halfway across the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Emo~ Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 A guy vs a card? Title should read Marik Vs. Dartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 you know what everyone is getting at. A simple Shadow Realm vs. Orichalcos face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 BEUD has some sort of elemental rock-paper-scissors special relationship with Zorc that makes it far better able to combat it than you would expect from a 4500 ATK beatstick that has never displayed special powers in the past (aside from the three separate heads thing in the first season) - if I recall correctly, it's because BEUD is the ultimate being of light and Zorc is the ultimate being of darkness, allowing it to force a stalemate. The effectiveness of the Gods makes it clear that Zorc is more powerful than the Great Leviathan. Plus, look at it this way: Zorc is the Big Bad of the entire series. The Doma organization was a Filler Villain. Who do you think is stronger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 obviously that's why a lot of people prefer Zorc. If you really want to say the filler series doesn't count for a thing, then the answer is obvious (plus the fact the seal of Orichalcos allows you to bypass the rules of requiring connected to the ancient scriptures to control a god) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 hard to argue. It really has to come down to who is stronger' date=' Zorc the Dark one or the Great Leviathan. For the most part, the sub would suggest Zorc being the stronger of the two since he defeated the 3 Egyptian Gods by himself, whereas the Great Leviathan failed to. [s']In the dub however, the Leviathan was defeated because of all the dark energy from the souls stored in it, Atem turned it into light and transferred it to the Egyptian Gods, which made the Leviathan much weaker than it should have been.[/s] Although there was one part that did seem to suggest the Leviathan might have been stronger even in the sub as well, and that was to look at the attacks by Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon on it. If you recall, that attack did virtually no damage to the Leviathan, and it didn't make the Leviathan flinch even the slightest bit. On the other hand, later on in DOTD when this attack was done on Zorc, the blast knocked him halfway across the city. Dub is useless in terms of credible evidence. you know what everyone is getting at. A simple Shadow Realm vs. Orichalcos face off. Why not just have a mix of both? It's actually very possible. Plus' date=' look at it this way: Zorc is the Big Bad of the entire series. The Doma organization was a Filler Villain. Who do [i']you[/i] think is stronger? This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Some people still prefer to see the dub as a little more than 100% BS, you know. And nothing was said about you can have both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Some people still prefer to see the dub as a little more than 100% BS' date=' you know.[/quote'] Yes, and some people think the holocaust never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 That's a different issue. You can say what you want on the dub. In fact just write a petition to them saying they dub never should have been invented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 That's a different issue. You can say what you want on the dub. In fact just write a petition to them saying they dub never should have been invented Geez, everyone is just speaking in non sequiturs today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 oh deal with it. Clearly you don't see anything useful in the dub. Therefore, logic dictates the dub never should have been created from your POV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 As usual, your attempts to use logic lead only to more foolishness. The dub has value in that it provides entertainment to English-speakers. Where it lacks value is in determining what is canonically true. According to your "logic", the Fan Fiction section of this site should be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 oh really? Perhaps you'd like to state if it entertained you or not. I may not use it much as a source but that doesn't mean I don't use it at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 oh really? Perhaps you'd like to state if it entertained you or not. Shall we now determine the value of everything on the basis of whether or not one specific individual was entertained? God' date=' do you even read the nonsense you type? Besides, I watched the sub, not the dub. I may not use it much as a source but that doesn't mean I don't use it at all You shouldn't be using it at all. It's non-canon. Non-canon material is... well... not canon. I can't state it any more simply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 call it what you want for canon and non-canon. So it's not as serious as the sub, big deal. It still shows different POVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwineRider Posted April 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 another point, this creepy guy who used obelisk the tormentor in his duel against yugi at the beginning of the fourth season: yugi tried to activate his puzzle and the seal of orichalcos denied it. I think you need one of the millenium items to change the duel to the shadow realm. so it could be impossible for Yami Marik to activate his millenium staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 possibly, but by then Atem didn't really know how to use the power of the puzzle anyway Whereas Marik has already mastered the power of the rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 call it what you want for canon and non-canon. The canon refers to something that actually happened' date=' whereas non-canon refers to something that did not actually happen in the [b']official[/b] storyline, like Capsule Monsters. So it's not as serious as the sub' date=' big deal. It still shows different POVs.[/quote'] Sub=CanonDub=Canon only to itself, but non-canon to the series as a whole. Also, different POVs can be divided into two different categories: 1) A POV where someone believes something only because it's their opinion, although in some cases, that's not what actually happened. (AKA non-canon)2) A POV where someone believes something because it's true. (AKA canon) And nothing was said about you can have both This YGO. The writers of the official canon (Even if Doma was filler) could find a way to come up with a logical reason as to how someone could begin an Oricalchos Shadow Duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 the point is they did not find a way to combine the two together. Therefore, it wouldn't count anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Why do we always essentially get the Sennen Item's Hell Vs The Orichalcos? Which then ends up with dubbies arguing with rather pointless arguments. You can't really compare the two in the typical 2 evils way, we don't know either origins, or their full strength. So technically you can argue forever and never get an answer. Keep the dub out of this topic, its script and logic is flawed. So its not a reliable source for the writer's true intentions, infact throw the whole anime out....then you get the Orichalcos thrown out too. So when you go the most reliable source only Hell exists, therefore it wins. Remember when it comes to source - Manga -> Japanese Anime Raw -> Japanese Anime Subbed (coz its not 100% accurate all the time) ------------------------------------------------> Dub. I doubt a filler element created just because the anime was too fast really can compare the driving force of the whole of 2 series. (Infact Series 1/0 was more of Yami No Games, that more about affecting the mental state of the loser, whereas the 2nd series added a more physical element) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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