Plasma vs. Light & Darkness Dragon disc.

[El Majishan]

Ok so my friend and I had this debate:

 

Both Destiny Hero Plasma and Light and Darkness Dragon are in play, Plasma negates monster effects and Light and Darkness negates card effect. The question is which monster negates the other effect.

 

I say Plasma negates Light and Darkness because his effect is continuous while Light and Darkness is a trigger effect.

 

My friend disagees.

 

Discuss>

[Snitch]

Technically, L&DD counters Plasma as his effect triggers with Plasma's as chain, so, Plasma's effect will be entirely countered out. It's like activating Royal Decree in response to a trap - the trap will still activate first, and then all traps are negated.

 

So, L&DD wins.

[El Majishan]

Technically' date=' L&DD counters Plasma as his effect triggers with Plasma's as chain, so, Plasma's effect will be entirely countered out. It's like activating Royal Decree in response to a trap - the trap will still activate first, and then all traps are negated.

 

So, L&DD wins.

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What if Plasma is summoned first? Seeing as his effect is already active, does L&DD still negate it?

[Father Wolf]

Technically' date=' L&DD counters Plasma as his effect triggers with Plasma's as chain, so, Plasma's effect will be entirely countered out. It's like activating Royal Decree in response to a trap - the trap will still activate first, and then all traps are negated.

 

So, L&DD wins.

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What if Plasma is summoned first? Seeing as his effect is already active, does L&DD still negate it?

 

no its like Jinzo Vs SKill Drain

 

If skill Drain is out first then jinzo's effect is negate same vis versa

[El Majishan]

Technically' date=' L&DD counters Plasma as his effect triggers with Plasma's as chain, so, Plasma's effect will be entirely countered out. It's like activating Royal Decree in response to a trap - the trap will still activate first, and then all traps are negated.

 

So, L&DD wins.

[/quote']

 

What if Plasma is summoned first? Seeing as his effect is already active, does L&DD still negate it?

 

no its like Jinzo Vs SKill Drain

 

If skill Drain is out first then jinzo's effect is negate same vis versa

 

makes sense, so it comes down to who was summond first.

[Father Wolf]

Technically' date=' L&DD counters Plasma as his effect triggers with Plasma's as chain, so, Plasma's effect will be entirely countered out. It's like activating Royal Decree in response to a trap - the trap will still activate first, and then all traps are negated.

 

So, L&DD wins.

[/quote']

 

What if Plasma is summoned first? Seeing as his effect is already active, does L&DD still negate it?

 

no its like Jinzo Vs SKill Drain

 

If skill Drain is out first then jinzo's effect is negate same vis versa

 

makes sense, so it comes down to who was summond first.

 

;) u cant summon skill drain but yeah

[El Majishan]

Technically' date=' L&DD counters Plasma as his effect triggers with Plasma's as chain, so, Plasma's effect will be entirely countered out. It's like activating Royal Decree in response to a trap - the trap will still activate first, and then all traps are negated.

 

So, L&DD wins.

[/quote']

 

What if Plasma is summoned first? Seeing as his effect is already active, does L&DD still negate it?

 

no its like Jinzo Vs SKill Drain

 

If skill Drain is out first then jinzo's effect is negate same vis versa

 

makes sense, so it comes down to who was summond first.

 

;) u cant summon skill drain but yeah

 

lol i was talking about Plasma and LD&D, but thanks for clearing things up for me.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

LaDD reads :

 

This card cannot be Special Summoned. While this card is face-up on the field, its Attribute is also treated as DARK. When a Spell or Trap Card is activated, or the effect of an Effect Monster is activated, that activation is negated and this card loses 500 ATK and DEF. When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, select 1 monster in your Graveyard. Then destroy all cards you control, and Special Summon that monster.

 

And for continuous monster effects :

 

Continuous monster effects never activate they are taken in account when the monster is face up on the field. Continuous Monster Effects do not start a Chain, so thus cannot be chained to.

 

That being said you were right, when plasma hits the field his effect is "applied" and negates LaDD (don't forget he loses his dark attribute too). You can then equip LaDD to him since LaDD cannot negate his trigger effect anymore. But if LaDD is destroyed and sent to the graveyard, plasma won't be able to negate his effect since he is no longer on the field.

 

Hope this helps.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Plasma is continuous, thus he never activates and is never negated.

[Exiro]

LaDD reads :

 

This card cannot be Special Summoned. While this card is face-up on the field' date=' its Attribute is also treated as DARK. When a Spell or Trap Card is activated, or the effect of an Effect Monster [b']is activated[/b], that activation is negated and this card loses 500 ATK and DEF. When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, select 1 monster in your Graveyard. Then destroy all cards you control, and Special Summon that monster.

 

And for continuous monster effects :

 

Continuous monster effects never activate they are taken in account when the monster is face up on the field. Continuous Monster Effects do not start a Chain, so thus cannot be chained to.

 

That being said you were right, when plasma hits the field his effect is "applied" and negates LaDD (don't forget he loses his dark attribute too). You can then equip LaDD to him since LaDD cannot negate his trigger effect anymore. But if LaDD is destroyed and sent to the graveyard, plasma won't be able to negate his effect since he is no longer on the field.

 

Hope this helps.

 

This would deserve my Q4T.

 

And even if you were to call priority on Plasma's effect to eat LaDD or another monster, the continuous effect is still already applied for you cannot activate a monster effect before it is summoned successfully.

[Santi :D]

Continous effect monsters take the fun out of chaining..

[kimmy1235]

I think that plasma would stop LaDD, but if you own World Championship 08 you can just play the two cards and see what happens.

[El Majishan]

LaDD reads :

 

This card cannot be Special Summoned. While this card is face-up on the field' date=' its Attribute is also treated as DARK. When a Spell or Trap Card is activated, or the effect of an Effect Monster [b']is activated[/b], that activation is negated and this card loses 500 ATK and DEF. When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, select 1 monster in your Graveyard. Then destroy all cards you control, and Special Summon that monster.

 

And for continuous monster effects :

 

Continuous monster effects never activate they are taken in account when the monster is face up on the field. Continuous Monster Effects do not start a Chain, so thus cannot be chained to.

 

That being said you were right, when plasma hits the field his effect is "applied" and negates LaDD (don't forget he loses his dark attribute too). You can then equip LaDD to him since LaDD cannot negate his trigger effect anymore. But if LaDD is destroyed and sent to the graveyard, plasma won't be able to negate his effect since he is no longer on the field.

 

Hope this helps.

 

It did, thanks alot

[RyanAtlus]

Depends on who's been sumoned first...

[Kyosuke Kiryu]

^ Agreed.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Depends on who's been sumoned first...

 

No it really doesn't. LaDD can't negate Plasma.

[dead draw]

can LaDD by tribute summoned with 1 Double Costen?

 

On topic: LaDD can't negate Plasma because Plasma's effect never "activates"; It's continuous

[Mister Sir]

can LaDD by tribute summoned with 1 Double Costen?

 

On topic: LaDD can't negate Plasma because Plasma's effect never "activates"; It's continuous

 

No. LaDD clearly states it is DARK only while face-up on the field.

[dead draw]

aight thanks